The build-up to war on Russia

[drstrangelove]

^ This is a good site. Be aware that admin keep locking threads when they get large and start new ones.. https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/full-scale-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-reports-only.15803/page-4#post-132368

Thank you.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I don't think the West wants war with Russia.

They'll let Putin take the eastern half of Ukraine and set up a buffer state between Poland and Russia. Russia had a similar war with Georgia 15 years ago didn't it?

[RocketMan]

I don't think the West wants war with Russia.

They'll let Putin take the eastern half of Ukraine and set up a buffer state between Poland and Russia. Russia had a similar war with Georgia 15 years ago didn't it?

A war by the "The West" against Russia would mean a nuclear exchange and the extinction of humanity. So I should hope they don't want a general war against Russia.

I believe the Georgian analogy is apt. Ukrainian aggression across the contact line in Eastern Ukraine was completely erased by the western media, I believe. It has been portrayed as a totally unprovoked, unilateral and even insane action by the mad dog Putin, which this manifestly isn't. In Georgia as well, Shaakashvili was the one that initiated the aggression in the contested areas to which Russia reacted.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I don't think the West wants war with Russia.

They'll let Putin take the eastern half of Ukraine and set up a buffer state between Poland and Russia. Russia had a similar war with Georgia 15 years ago didn't it?

A war by the "The West" against Russia would mean a nuclear exchange and the extinction of humanity. So I should hope they don't want a general war against Russia.

I believe the Georgian analogy is apt. Ukrainian aggression across the contact line in Eastern Ukraine was completely erased by the western media, I believe. It has been portrayed as a totally unprovoked, unilateral and even insane action by the mad dog Putin, which this manifestly isn't. In Georgia as well, Shaakashvili was the one that initiated the aggression in the contested areas to which Russia reacted.

Yeah. They don't want a full blown war over something as sketchy as this.

I don't think much of Putin but its clear he's just defending his country's interests here and the interests of Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine. Russian generals and what have you have been accusing Ukraine of breaking whatever ceasefire agreement they had for months.

[RocketMan]

Putin has revealed himself to be just another ethno-nationalist chauvinist thug, but no leader of Russia can accede ad infinitum to being dictated to and lectured by the western powers. Humiliating entire nations was never a very good strategy, but no one seems to have learned anything from the end of WW I, even now. No Russian leader could accept soldiers from a belligerent military alliance in Sevastopol. Western liberals have completely succumbed to some sort of post-modern idealist delusion. Everyone here in Finland, from the liberal left to right, seems to think Putin makes completely insane, irrational decision on some sort of rabid Russian expansionism in a total vacuum. Totally ahistorical and just stupid. And dangerous.

[Harvey]

I don't think the West wants war with Russia.

They'll let Putin take the eastern half of Ukraine and set up a buffer state between Poland and Russia. Russia had a similar war with Georgia 15 years ago didn't it?

A war by the "The West" against Russia would mean a nuclear exchange and the extinction of humanity. So I should hope they don't want a general war against Russia.

I believe the Georgian analogy is apt. Ukrainian aggression across the contact line in Eastern Ukraine was completely erased by the western media, I believe. It has been portrayed as a totally unprovoked, unilateral and even insane action by the mad dog Putin, which this manifestly isn't. In Georgia as well, Shaakashvili was the one that initiated the aggression in the contested areas to which Russia reacted.

Yes. For weeks the BBC played videos of Georgian missile batteries firing into South Ossetia while claiming these were Russian missiles firing into Georgia. The usual bullshit.

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The WEF owns the largest official militaries in the world. They don’t care if we know what they’re doing anymore.

[drstrangelove]

[Grizzly]

Is Russia’s “special military operation” actually a smokescreen to target US bio-labs in Ukraine?
https://www.infowars.com/posts/russian-strikes-targeting-us-run-bio-labs-in-ukraine/

Speculation on social media suggests Russian strikes on Ukrainian military installations could also include US bio-labs in the region, as the Russian government has for years accused the US of developing bio-weapons near its border.

The ulterior motive theory was put forth Thursday by Twitter user @WarClandestine, whose account was suspended soon thereafter. Fortunately, his thread was archived before the account was banned.

[Harvey]

https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/russia-ukraine-invasion-bioweapons-labs-patrushev-putin-wuhan-coronavirus/

Are US-run biological labs in Ukraine one of the reasons behind Russia invasion? Read how Russian govt had raised ‘bioweapons’ alarm

As per the details made available by the US government, the US Department of Defense's Biological Threat Reduction Program has been working with partner countries to "to counter the threat of outbreaks (deliberate, accidental, or natural) of the world's most dangerous infectious diseases."

24 February, 2022

As Russia has started attacking military installations in Ukraine, there are speculations that the United State’s Biolabs that have been established in Ukraine in the name of research and defence are also among the targets. The US has several such labs in Ukraine under its “Biological Threat Reduction Program”.

Social media has been abuzz with discussions on how the Russian government, in addition to objecting to NATO’s expansion in the region, has been highlighting their concerns, accusing the USA of running bioweapon labs near their border. A Twitter handle named @WarClandenstine claimed that it may be a possibility that Russia is targeting the Biolabs. Nothing has been confirmed yet.

1) HOLY SHIT! I think I may be onto something about #Ukraine.

Zelensky said the Russians are firing at “military installations”. How broad is that term?

I am seeing speculation that could include US installed biolabs.

At first I was like no way.

Then I started digging. pic.twitter.com/tm72HFAXNK
— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) February 24, 2022

There is a lot of discussion on social media regarding the alleged bioweapons labs run and funded by the US government on Ukrainian soil.

I think I found out why you guys are so interested in Ukraine. What exactly would a mistake bio weapons lab be located anywhere near there let alone 8 of them? pic.twitter.com/XvoqxYczvv
— Another freaking tragedy 2 (@FestusMcgilicu1) February 24, 2022

As per the details made available by the US government, the US Department of Defense’s Biological Threat Reduction Program has been working with partner countries to “to counter the threat of outbreaks (deliberate, accidental, or natural) of the world’s most dangerous infectious diseases.”

In Ukraine, the program’s aim is to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concerns and provide support to the nation in detecting and reporting outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they “pose any stability or security risks.”

In 2019, BTRP established two laboratories for the Consumer Protection Service of Ukraine with Biosafety Level 2 in Kyiv and Odesa. Both regions are under Russia’s attack. The US not only provides support for laboratory establishment but has also been funding research projects in Ukraine where the Ukrainian and American scientists work together.

Russia has accused the US of developing bio-weapons at its borders, at Ukraine and Georgia

On several occasions, Russia has accused the US and Ukraine of developing bio-weapons close to its borders. In 2021, while talking about the inability of the World Health Organisation to establish the origin of the Covid-19 virus, Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev told Kommersant reporter that Russia believed the US was developing bio-weapons near its borders.

Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Patrushev: there are clear signs that dangerous pathogens could be used for military-political purposes, we see the revival of biological weapons https://t.co/1jZMnNq6mz
— Liveuamap (@Liveuamap) June 24, 2021

He said, “you pay attention to the fact that in the world, more and more new biological laboratories under the control of the United States are growing by leaps and bounds. Moreover, by a strange coincidence – mainly at the Russian and Chinese borders.” He added that the US claims they work with local scientists to develop ways to fight dangerous pathogens but what happens inside those walls was unknown.

He added, “We are told that peaceful sanitation stations operate near our borders, but for some reason, they are more reminiscent of Fort Detrick in Maryland, where Americans have been working in the field of military biology for decades. By the way, we should pay attention to the fact that outbreaks of diseases that are not typical for these regions are recorded in the surrounding areas.”

When asked if he meant Americans were developing biological weapons at those Biolabs, he said, “We have good reason to believe that this is the case.” He further said, “Not a day goes by at the headquarters of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in The Hague that the Americans and their allies do not come forward with another chapter of the anti-Russian chemical dossier.”

Speaking about the allegations against Russia over the development of chemical weapons, he said there were no evidence and only conjectures. The Russian government has made similar allegations multiple times.

US-funded gain of function reasearch to ‘enhance’ viruses at Wuhan laboratory in China

It has been now been established by now that scientists from the USA, with NIH funding, had been running gain of function research into a number of SARS-like viruses in the Wuhan laboratory in China, which is widely believed to be the origin of Covid-19 infection. In September 2021, it was revealed in a book that the US had funded research on deadly viruses in Wuhan under the supervision of Anthony Fauci.

US scientist Peter Daszak, who had received an NIH grant, through his organisation EcoHealth Alliance had been engaged in ‘gain of function’ research for years in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. Daszak has himself admitted on numerous occasions that they are running breakthrough research into coronaviruses.

Earlier this year, an investigation by Project Veritas had revealed that coronavirus research deemed ‘too dangerous’ by DARPA, was approved by Anthony Fauci’s NIAID and was conducted by Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance at Wuhan.

In October 2021, it was revealed via leaked emails that Anthony Fauci’s NIAID funded institute trained researchers at Wuhan lab housed fatal aerosol-borne viruses.

Russia invades Ukraine

On 24 February, after weeks of speculations, Russia finally invaded Ukraine, triggering a massive outrage all over the world. It is notable here that NATO, USA and Russia have been at loggerheads for years over NATO’s alleged plans to expand eastward, threatening Russia’s security. As Russian troops gathered on Ukraine’s borders over the last few weeks, NATO and USA have dropped billions of dollars worth of weapons in Ukraine, proclaiming support for Ukraine’s sovereignty.

Addressing the people, Putin had announced that it is launching a military operation directed towards the ‘demilitarization’ and ‘denazification’ of Ukraine. The alleged biological weapons program is one of the many concerns Russia had raised regarding Ukraine.

NATO countries including the USA have promised to impose severe sanctions on Russia as a retaliatory measure against the invasion.

[Grizzly]

Oh Snap!

Meanwhile...

U.S. F-35s Forward Deployed To Romania, Estonia And Lithuania
https://theaviationist.com/2022/02/24/u-s-f-35s-forward-deployed/

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[Harvey]

Excellent analysis by Putin apologist Aaron Mate appearing on the far right extremist Jimmy Dore Show.

[Grizzly]

"Remember when ABC News showed us Damascus under siege but it was actually a Kentucky gun range"? I very distinctly do... Gobble that m5m shit up!

[JackRiddler]

This hits almost all the points, political & historical.

(If you've got a problem, just ignore all the times he says 'as a Marxist, I believe...' etc. etc.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAEybTns0Lg

Have to agree with the first two comments, in relative terms:

With the events in Ukraine unfolding I've been trying to find a consistent and nuanced anti-imperialist and anti-war position and this discussion has given me all the food for thought I need. Thank you Abby and Brian, both you and your channels are doing amazing work.

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strawberryshootup
1 hour ago
This is the most clear and evidence-based explanation of these events I've seen - thank you!

Way too nuanced. All the people who need to watch and take seriously, will not.

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