Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

[Wombaticus Rex]

seems like the start of an effort to establish some formal govt authority

It was established three years back right before the winter solstice: Space Force, which, as Wikipedia has the cunning gall to inform us, has 77 spacecraft. Simply perusing the badges available at that link is a warm bath of familiar feelings, with Space Delta 7 being of particular note.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Am I crazy or was James Fucking Clapper sitting in the front row during the Grusch testimony?

No word on my sanity but the man himself allegedly denies it.

I gotta clear this up bc I’m seeing & hearing this a lot. This man, circled below, is NOT, I repeat, IS NOT, Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

I talked to him. He was a guest of a witness. Yes, there is a striking resemblance. But it ain’t Clapper.

Downthread he is being ID'd as Ed Stanton from the recent AIAA sessions on UAP. I have doubts, but time will out.

[drstrangelove]

seems like the start of an effort to establish some formal govt authority

It was established three years back right before the winter solstice: Space Force, which, as Wikipedia has the cunning gall to inform us, has 77 spacecraft. Simply perusing the badges available at that link is a warm bath of familiar feelings, with Space Delta 7 being of particular note.

Mellon family vibes

[drstrangelove]

From 2021. Timing makes sense to me now. News cycle has been clogged up until recently. Good time to do it.

‘They want people to take them seriously': Space Force wary of taking over UFO mission
The Pentagon is considering giving the Space Force a greater role in a stepped-up effort to track and investigate reports of UFOs. But the newest military branch isn’t over the moon about the idea.

Space Force leaders are still struggling to rebrand an organization that has been lampooned since before its birth. Now, they are conflicted about becoming the military’s go-to on what the Pentagon now calls “unidentified aerial phenomena,” according to five current and former officials taking part in the discussions.

Advocates for the Space Force taking over for the Navy, which is currently leading the Pentagon’s task force responsible for studying them, believe the new service is better suited to oversee a more robust effort aimed at collecting information on UFOs, and that its association with a topic of such public fascination, particularly among young people, could even boost recruiting.

“It makes perfect sense,” said one former intelligence official who is advising the military in the planning, citing its more expansive geographic responsibilities than other military branches and access to global — and even galactic — surveillance technologies through the U.S. Space Command. “There is no limit to the Space Force mission. It doesn’t have a geographic boundary like the other services.”

But the former official also said some fear it will only deepen the branch’s public relations challenge by providing more material for the jokes, science-fiction-themed memes and other forms of popular ridicule that the Space Force has endured since it was championed by then-President Donald Trump in 2018, who made it an applause line in his political rallies.

“They really are sensitive to that,” the former official said. “They want people to take them seriously. They don’t want to do anything that is embarrassing. But this is national security. This is their job.”

The deliberations over what to do next about the unexplained sightings of high performance aircraft are part of a new push to establish a more permanent government research effort.

AJune report to Congress from the director of national intelligence concluded that all but one of 144 UFO sightings that were reviewed could not be explained, including 18 that appeared to exhibit advanced properties.

The unclassified summary stated that “we currently lack sufficient information in our dataset to attribute incidents to specific explanations.” It also concluded that the unknown craft “clearly pose a safety of flight issue and may pose a challenge to U.S. national security.”

In response, the undersecretary of defense for intelligence and security is developing a plan to “formalize the mission” after being instructed by Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks.

In a memo to senior military leaders following the report’s release, Hicks sought a plan “for the establishment and operation of the new activity, to include the organizational alignment, resources and staffing required, as well as any necessary authorities.”

The issue has primarily been overseen by a temporary Pentagon UAP Task Force that was stood up in 2020 and led by the Navy, whose pilots, radars and other surveillance systems have compiled most of the recent reports of unexplained sightings.

The Pentagon has provided few details about the deliberations over what will replace the task force. “Planning for an activity to take over the UAPTF’s mission is ongoing,” said Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough.

The Space Force declined to address the internal deliberations. The Department of the Air Force, which oversees the Space Force, also deferred questions to Gough.

Congress, which requested the UAP report, is also planning to play more of a role.

The Senate’s version of the fiscal 2022 Intelligence Act includes several provisions on the subject, including requiring classified reports to Congress on UAP sightings and analysis every quarter, as well as calling on all agencies to share any data they have so that a more comprehensive UFO file can be compiled for further study.

A congressional staffer also told POLITICO the classified portion of the bill includes a provision outlining more parameters for tackling the subject over the longer term, including recommending additional funding to finance the effort.

A former Pentagon official also said he expects there will also be legislative guidance on UAPs in a final version of the National Defense Authorization Act.
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But in addition to the Space Force, which works in tandem with the newly reestablished U.S. Space Command, officials are considering a number of military and intelligence organizations at this early stage that could take the lead or combine their efforts in a new organization.

One is the secretive Space Security and Defense Program, which reports to both the Pentagon and the director of national intelligence, which oversees all spy agencies.

The outfit has a broad writ to assess potential space threats and also has authority to award contracts to develop new collection capabilities. Other candidates for a greater role in overseeing UFO issues are the Defense Intelligence Agency, which studies foreign weapons systems and has a history of researching such sightings, as well as the North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado, which is responsible for defending the nation’s airspace.

Chris Mellon, a former senior Pentagon intelligence official and congressional staffer who has been advising the military on the topic, said whoever is tasked with leading a more permanent effort needs to be willing to work closely with numerous military, intelligence and law enforcement agencies across the government as well as the academic and scientific communities and the public.

“NORAD would seem to make sense, but again its willingness to share information with other organizations is questionable. Still, they have money and contracting authority and the heft needed to make changes to the status quo if they were willing to aggressively pursue the issue,” he wrote in a recent blog post.

“Regardless,” he added, “the first and most important step for Congress to take is to either identify a permanent home for the mission or require DoD and the [intelligence community] to do so and to explain their resulting rationale with the oversight committees.”

- https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/0 ... ion-502843 , 08/09/2021

[Grizzly]

I found video of today's UFO testimonial hearings.

[stickdog99]

[Grizzly]

[Wombaticus Rex]

I think the most significant "Disclosure" in some time happened very much off the UFO radar: watching the global propagation of LK-99 from preprint to global arms race (all in the space of a week!) has been fascinating & illuminating. I am still not sure if I am looking at a natural phenomenon or a carefully laid plan.

I also think the current public research in quasicrystals (in both senses / usages) is directly related to craft / artifact recovery.

All in all, jokes and commentary remain as valuable as ever, and we are definitely going through a major inflection point for global culture right now. The system that Ralph Peters was describing in Constant Conflict is fully operational now, and likely exceeds even his own high expectations. For all the CCP's kabuki censorship of Western media and movies, their entire culture is increasingly being shaped by New York and Los Angeles.

We have often remarked here that it does not matter if the batshit cosmology that our ruling class believes is true, what matters is that they believe it. This dynamic is at the core of the new UFO/UAP/NHI mythos that is currently being shaped -- and sold. I no longer perceive this wave to be a re-run. This is the big one, the project that wonks like Richard Dolan and Ms. Pasulka were doing groundwork for, the "Future of Religion" that William Sims Bainbridge was writing about for the very people who were hoping to build it.

That said, it's also likely to be a long road. I would expect to see another Blue Book style institutional spectacle before we see acknowledgement of shit like "Galactic Federations" or Sitchin-style Ancient Astronaut Theory being discussed by public officials.

It would be quite entertaining to be proven wrong, though.

[Belligerent Savant]

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As someone that has depth in this space -- and of course won't hold you to it as a relative 'outsider' -- are you implying that a percentage of this is 'real'?

Or put another way: is this a scenario where there are aliens out there that -- for whatever reasons -- are now getting closer to a public disclosure, and our govts are slowly laying the groundwork for that disclosure (measured or not), OR, is this just another large massive psyop/disinfo campaign to justify/inspire more massive adoption of many of the measures we've observed over the last ~3yrs? (or are many of the measures of the last ~3yrs part of the planned lead-up to Alien Existence Disclosure & Next Steps as 'recommended' by these Aliens?)

Or something else, entirely or partially?

No obligation - largely rhetorical and anyone can reply, though curious as to WRex's thoughts, if he obliges.

Hard for me to see all this as anything other than an extensive charade -- at least the front-facing aspects of it --but I imagine time will tell.

[Pele'sDaughter]

Real or not, the bullshit going on right now is definitely a distraction from Hunter and Joe's China dealings and, either way, do you think they'll actually tell the truth about anything? I'm very doubtful.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Past my original rant in this thread, I would propose a "Hangar 18" model for understanding what's going on. Perhaps a P.T. Barnum sized circus tent might be more appropriate. Either way, it's a blivet in the Vonnegut sense, an overflow container for a broad horizon of strange frontiers, such as "Boy, Antarctica Is Pretty Weird, Huh?" or "Can You Fit A Whole Government Into a Special Access Program?" or "Why Did Maxwell and Tesla Both Have Their Work Carefully Suppressed By The Same Anglo-American Establishment?" There is a rich spectrum of material to draw from when it comes time for some real pyrotechnics and sizzling headlines.

(Who wants aliens to be real more than the cable TV news companies? The viewership numbers and ad revenue would be unprecedented, like a decade straight of Presidential election seasons.)

I would also propose, at the risk of repeating myself, that for the vast majority of human beings on this planet through 2100 AD, it matters vanishingly little whether or not "there are aliens out there" in the face of a global empire establishing a planet-spanning system of technocratic control on the basis that "there are aliens out there" we need to be protected from / prepared for / obedient to.

The questions of extraterrestrial vs. intra/infraterrestrial vs. wholly disembodied NHI vs. exotic matter nanotech probes is a hall of mirrors, but all of it squints towards the existence of a Something that has long been unspeakable in respectable society. For the consensus manufacturing system to reverse course on that decades-long project is significant, likely downstream of something far bigger & broader than the family problems of the latest asshole in the White House. (And on that narrow issue, I think you can draw a clear, linear narrative between Hunter Biden headlines being followed by Donald Trump headlines; I think DOJ is running point on that one, not DOD.)

For all our sakes, let's pray that there are not alien civilizations with long term goals for our planet, because they won't be the risk vector: average citizens eager to serve them at your expense will be. It won't be aliens coming to kill you for resisting, it will be apes just like us.

Anyway. As wild as it all is, it's important to retain the perspective that it's not unprecedented. Our official history is a lie, our official physics is a lie, our official biology is a lie, it's just going to be under revision now, possibly major, sweeping revision, too.

[drstrangelove]

I would also propose, at the risk of repeating myself, that for the vast majority of human beings on this planet through 2100 AD, it matters vanishingly little whether or not "there are aliens out there" in the face of a global empire establishing a planet-spanning system of technocratic control on the basis that "there are aliens out there" we need to be protected from / prepared for / obedient to.

the endgame is a long way off. someone probably does need to a write a 1984 for a world state at fake perpetual space war with fake aliens rather soon though, to get that idea in people's heads. i feel like the x-files had two factions on their writing staff in a constant battle over whether the shows story arc ended with "aliens real - govt good" or "aliens psy op- govt bad". former ultimately won with "aliens real, govt psy op good"

[Belligerent Savant]

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Duly appreciate the last few postings. Particularly for better articulating/committing to typed words a number of the same thoughts I've had floating around, ephemerally, in my mind.

This here:

...it's important to retain the perspective that it's not unprecedented. Our official history is a lie, our official physics is a lie, our official biology is a lie, it's just going to be under revision now, possibly major, sweeping revision, too.

- In the past year or so this has become more of a realization, for me at least. Before it was largely viewed with more of a mythical lens. Not anymore.

[Grizzly]

[Luther Blissett]

The outlandish claims coming out of Peru this week point in one direction for how to consider “why now?”

Or it’s just the 1950s all over again.