The $10,000 challenge

by **NewKid** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:13 am

It's a little silly to keep talking about Hanjour, but for those of you with some 'loose change' to spare . . . <a href="http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/04/take-10000-challenge.html" target="top">killtown.blogspot.com/2006/04/take-10000-challenge.html</a>

by **Qutb** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:43 am

Check out Paul Thompson's updated <a href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&the_alleged_9/11_hijackers=haniHanjour" target="top">Hani Hanjour</a> timeline. Hani may or may not have flown the plane, but he sure had many interesting connections. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Three hijackers, Hani Hanjour, Khalid Almihdhar, and Nawaf Alhazmi, check into the same hotel as a prominent Saudi government official. [Washington Post, 11/2/2003] Investigators have not found any evidence that the hijackers met with the official, and stress it could be a coincidence. [Daily Telegraph, 4/10/2003] However, one prosecutor working on a related case asserts, “I continue to believe it can’t be a coincidence.” [Wall Street Journal, 11/2/2003] The official, Saleh Ibn Abdul Rahman Hussayen, is interviewed by the FBI shortly after 9/11, but according to testimony from an FBI agent, the interview is cut short when Hussayen “feign[s] a seizure, prompting the agents to take him to a hospital, where the attending physicians [find] nothing wrong with him.” The agent recommends that Hussayen “should not be allowed to leave until a follow-up interview could occur.” However, that “recommendation, for whatever reason, [is] not complied with.” Hussayen returns to Saudi Arabia a few days later, as soon as the US ban on international flights has ended. [Washington Post, 11/2/2003] For most of the 1990s, Hussayen was director of the SAAR Foundation, a Saudi charity that is being investigated for terrorism ties and will be raided in early 2002 (see March 20, 2002). A few months after 9/11 he is named a minister of the Saudi government and put in charge of its two holy mosques. Hussayen had arrived in the US in late August 2001 planning to visit some Saudi-sponsored charities. Many of the charities on his itinerary, including the Global Relief Foundation, World Muslim League, IIRO (International Islamic Relief Organization), IANA (Islamic Assembly of North America), and World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), have since been shut down or investigated for alleged ties to Islamic militant groups. [Washington Post, 11/2/2003]<hr></blockquote>

by **darkbeforedawn** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:55 am

Ask any military or commercial pilot about the alleged flight path and speeds said to be flown by the plane that struck the pentagon. It would be an impossible feat to fly at those speeds making the steep turn and aiming the plane without crashing and then hitting the pentagon. Not only could this not have been possible for a novice; No one could have done this. Check it out for yourselves.

by **thoughtographer** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:12 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Ask any military or commercial pilot about the alleged flight path and speeds said to be flown by the plane that struck the pentagon.<hr></blockquote> Have you asked any pilots about this? If so, I'd love to read/hear the interviews. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Check it out for yourselves.<hr></blockquote> You first. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **friend catcher** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:21 pm

I have shared a dinner table with a pilot who said he didn't think any commercial pilot believed it could be done but to say this out loud would be a fairly sure way of becoming a postman( the friendly british sort, not the kamikaze u.s. species) This guy was retired but top in his trade and very right wing( u.s. version; moderate republican) In his piloting days he had supervised the training of pilots from his own airline and many others so Knew more than most about the learning curves involved. Not much to go on but as this happened only weeks after the attacks it was the first bit of scepticism I'd heard from someone who was "respectable"

by **thoughtographer** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:17 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I have shared a dinner table with a pilot who said he didn't think any commercial pilot believed it could be done but to say this out loud would be a fairly sure way of becoming a postman<hr></blockquote> Yeah? I've known glider pilots who would be the first to tell you that commercial pilots are spoiled morons who don't really understand the first thing about aviation. Though I tend to agree with them, this is just an illustration of the fact that opinions are like assholes... P.S. - I'm surprised that nobody's railed against this guy based simply on the fact that he's stealing Randi's shtick. I mean, it's usually frowned upon to listen to skeptics or employ their techniques in these circles, isn't it? "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 4/11/06 4:20 pm

by **slimmouse** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:32 pm

Name an individual on this earth who was capable of pulling of hanis aerobatics. Not to mention hani himself. So - If this damn plane DID hit the pentagon, that to my mind raises far more questions than it answers. Which leads me personally to believe that it wasnt a plane. But, like I said, if it was....... Discuss <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

by **thoughtographer** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:34 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Name an individual on this earth who was capable of pulling of hanis aerobatics.<hr></blockquote> Sorry, but I don't know every individual on earth, and I certainly don't know their current skillset and potential to perform under extreme pressure. Do you? Any more impossible knots you'd like us to untie? "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **slimmouse** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:37 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Any more impossible knots you'd like us to untie?<hr></blockquote> Just one my friend. Your own personal opinion as to what hit the pentagon. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat">

by **thoughtographer** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:56 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Your own personal opinion as to what hit the pentagon.<hr></blockquote> AN AIRPLANE! I received a firsthand account of the fact within a half an hour of the event, as did many other people acquainted with D.C. area citizens and commuters. I'm sure you'll file me away in some little mental ghetto now, which is fine by me. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **slimmouse** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:01 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>AN AIRPLANE! I received a firsthand account of the fact within a half an hour of the event, as did many other people acquainted with D.C. area citizens and commuters. I'm sure you'll file me away in some little mental ghetto now, which is fine by me.<hr></blockquote> I want to talk to YOU. You are amongst those who's intellect, I personally admire the most on this board. So. It was "An airplane" ? Who, in your opinion was flying it ?

by **thoughtographer** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:06 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Who, in your opinion was flying it ?<hr></blockquote> Fucked if I know, but I gathered that they really wanted to crash it for some reason. Everything I've heard or read that tries to establish facts like that only serve to confuse the issue to the point where I lose my patience and interest and move on to something more productive. So, in short, my views tend to change from day to day if I even bother thinking about details like that at all. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **HMKGrey** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:20 pm

There are four places in 757 and 767 cockpits where 4-digit may day signals can be entered and sent. Two are within half an arm's reach of both the pilot and co-pilot. Given that even this week we have heard about hijackers supposedly stabbing flight attendants to gain entry to a cockpit why did no one on that plane or any of the planes, for that matter, send the signal? To quote thoughtographer: Fucked if I know.

by **slimmouse** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Fucked if I know, but I gathered that they really wanted to crash it for some reason. Everything I've heard or read that tries to establish facts like that only serve to confuse the issue to the point where I lose my patience and interest and move on to something more productive. So, in short, my views tend to change from day to day if I even bother thinking about details like that at all.<hr></blockquote> I can remember a while back now, reading a thread posted by an anonymous member of the "illuminati" ( high level freemasonry ) on some board or other. He offered to answer any number of questions in honesty. One of the first questions was ; What hit the pentagon on 9/11 ? To which , his answer was "Is that important ?" Please dont associate your similar answer to this question, to any implication of yourself in any kind of freemasonry link. You are, if youre anything like as intelligent as I suspect you are, way too smart for all that stupidity. Meanwhile ,I actually get the gist of what youre saying. Save to say that, you and I can probably agree that, the official version of the pentagon incident is little more than a big fuck off lie. Lets leave it at that huh ? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b">

by **thoughtographer** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:50 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>He offered to answer any number of questions in honesty. One of the first questions was ;<hr></blockquote> You're pretty trusting if you believe anything said by a person who anonymously claims to be a member of any "Illuminati". That sort of stupid mistake, I am indeed "way too smart for". <blockquote>Quote:<hr>There are four places in 757 and 767 cockpits where 4-digit may day signals can be entered and sent. Two are within half an arm's reach of both the pilot and co-pilot. Given that even this week we have heard about hijackers supposedly stabbing flight attendants to gain entry to a cockpit why did no one on that plane or any of the planes, for that matter, send the signal? To quote thoughtographer: Fucked if I know.<hr></blockquote> And you don't know, do you? In the realities of some, the almighty, superheroic commercial airline pilot is still everything their plastic wing medallion-pinned childhood mind made them out to be. The fact remains that these people are frail and human; vulnerable to the same fears and weaknesses that define everyone else. They get distracted, scared, confused, preoccupied, fall asleep when they're not supposed to, etc. I shudder to think of the possibilities if it weren't for modern instrumentation and amphetamines. To me, the fact that someone didn't do what they were supposed to (punch four numbers into a keypad) just creates more questions than it answers. I suppose it eliminates more questions for you? I'd like to see how you would react if some maniac somehow managed to jump into the back seat of your car while you were screaming down the highway. I'll bet you wouldn't even be able to reach the door lock, let alone think to do it. To quote Captain Roger Oveur: "Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?" "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 4/11/06 5:54 pm

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