Pentagon Video to be released today

[yablonsky]

just my 2cents before returning to lurkville:<br><br>liberal co-workers of mine, who had never given much thought or even heard of a 9-11 truth movement, have by chance in recent weeks come to view Loose Change and then to speak glowingly of it - it appeared rational to them and made an impression. ok, so that's that.<br><br>i myself in recent weeks have been re-reading the dave mcgowan stuff on 9-11 and find his theoretical framework and general take as relevant, useful and important as ever. <br><br>got to agree with slimmouse: michael rupperts little munchkins running around here parroting a line that has long outlived it's usefulness, while painting themselves as the brush of reason is bizarre.<br><br>oh. and nice take from DU of a 757 taxi-ing across a tarmac. we all thought that was funny (talking around the water cooler this afternoon). <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=yablonsky>yablonsky</A> at: 5/17/06 8:34 pm<br></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I haven't seen Loose Change. But searching up reviews I find that it is a 'no planes' narrative like Morgan Reynolds' steaming pile.<br><br>Is that true? If so, it is another disinfo piece. And then no wonder that LetsRoll911 is promoting Loose Change. DOH!<br><br>Guess I better watch the damn thing myself. <p></p><i></i>

[dugoboy]

yes you should hugh.<br><br>btw its <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.oilempire.us">www.oilempire.us</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> is the site.<br><br>michael ruppert i don't trust too much. peak oil seems to be his pet theory. this stuff isnt just about oil, its about them maintaining control.<br><br>i went to that website and boy oh boy, i now realize the truth movement ain't quite so unified. the oilempire.us website calls loose change a mix of hoaxes and truth. but we then have alex jones promoting and carrying loose change on his site.<br><br>but i am leary of peak oil as a concept. theres documentation that proves the oil industry made sure to kill the building of more refineries, to create demand for gas guzzling SUVs, and then a federal government manufacturing war in the oil dominant mid east which all add to the total $3.59 a gallon gas we now have. why on earth would people be in the oil industry if its just going to explode into non existence supposedly within 30 years? they like to blame the environmentalists but it has nothing to do with them.<br><br>eh anyway, i have a feeling we have lurkers throwing in a few distractionary tales. but who knows. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 5/17/06 9:37 pm<br></i>

[robertdreed]

I hadn't visited the oilempire site in months, until the link was supplied here.<br><br>I continue to respect their lines of inquiry and reasoning processes. They might be wrong about their surmises, but they know how to rationally justify them. <br><br>For what it's worth, they parallel my own ideas about 9/11, without us having been in any sort of contact. I haven't been taking my cues from them; we just happen to think along the same lines. <br><br>Make of that what you will. <br><br>I'm capable of parsing the events of 9/11 after the manner of Gerald Holmgren's fake sophistries, too. But a decent respect for the facts prevents me from doing so on the Internet- not with anything like a straight face, anyway. <br><br>As for Alex Jones, I think it's too bad that he seems to be primarily in it for the money, because as a communicator he has what it takes to really break through to the American public. But his credibility has badly frayed over the years, in my opinion. With all of the wolf-crying, he's sacrificed long-term significance for short-term hucksterism and profit-taking. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 5/17/06 10:07 pm<br></i>

[FourthBase]

[double post] <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 5/17/06 10:56 pm<br></i>

[FourthBase]

I think we need a moratorium on premature conclusions. <p></p><i></i>

[juno jones]

People have a tendency to see anything they're told to by an 'authority' they trust. I once lived in downtown Seattle in sight of the Space Needle. One April first a local DJ, as a prank, reported that it had collapsed. I remember my neighbor rushing over to tell us the news and dragging me to the window, where of course, we could see that the needle still stood. But she wasn't convinced. "Look it's gone!" she howled. "That's silly it's still there, I can see it." "BUT THEY SAID IT ON THE RADIO!" After awhile she calmed down and when enough of us reassured her she could see the needle again and admit her mistake, but it was a damn weird experience and I will never underestimate the power the media has in shaping (distorting) the perceptions of many people. Juno <p></p><i></i>

[dugoboy]

link: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/180506attacksheen.htm" target="top"><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">CNN Shopping For Guests To Attack Charlie Sheen</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"CNN is trying to bait 9/11 truth activists to appear as guests on its programs and attack Charlie Sheen. William Rodriguez and Philip Berg appeared on the Alex Jones Show today to expose a smear campaign that seeks to poison the well of the 9/11 truth movement.<br><br>WTC survivor and truth activist William Rodriguez was contacted by the Anderson Cooper 360 show and asked if he would go on record as saying the new Pentagon footage dispelled all 9/11 questions. They also requested that he attack Charlie Sheen's public stance on 9/11.<br><br>One CNN researcher outright called Charlie Sheen a liar during a phone call with Rodriguez.<br><br>After Rodriguez (pictured below) refused to take the bait, telling them he supports Sheen 100%, CNN cancelled his appearance even as the car to pick him up was en route. Rodriguez said CNN were taken aback by the fact that he refused to bad mouth Sheen."<br><br>I'm thinking we better rename this thread '9/11 Truth Movement under Establishment Attack'. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>i also hope jeff gets back soon, i wonder what he thinks about all this.. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 5/18/06 1:03 pm<br></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Pan, just curious, what do your Bush loving relatives now think about 9-11? Were they mocking Loose Change or did they think it was so neat that it converted them from Fox News zombies to conspiracy theorists? Or is it a more gradual loss of trust in the administration from the war, Katrina, immigration, the debt, etc.?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I got a mass email with a link to a no-plane flash movie (can't remember which one it was) and then a link to Loose Change.<br><br>The relatives -- who, mind you, fall for the AOL-and-Bill-Gates-Will-Give-You-a-Dollar-for-Every-Email-Address-You-Send-This-To hoaxes on a regular basis -- were suitably swayed by the idea that something other than a plane hit the Pentagon.<br><br>Just the fact that emails questioning the official story circulated in their circles made me realize that alternative explanations are gaining a foothold.<br><br>Sadly, they don't think about politics much, and are easily misled by angry email forwards about immigration, the ACLU, and so forth. Their republicanism is based upon alarmist local TV news, talk radio, angry email forwards (mostly hoaxes), and the like. <p></p><i></i>

[ThePistol44]

thanks for sharing your story about your family ProfessorPan...<br><br>The circumstances you described: "Their republicanism is based upon alarmist local TV news, talk radio, angry email forwards (mostly hoaxes), and the like" are unfortunately all too common.<br><br>I find shockingly often that even politically active liberal friends of mine are unaware about ANY of the basic questions, inconsistencies of the 'official' story, etc. about 9/11... and I live in NYC!<br><br>My & ProfessorPan's examples highlight an important point: the general American public is ready to learn the truth about what really happened on 9/11.<br><br>The knee-jerk reaction of "you hate America!" seems to have subsided, and as more and more atrocities and coverups of BushCo are being revealed in front of their eyes, they realize that they are capable of anything in order to gain power and control the world.<br><br>Because of this, we must make it our responsibility to not let the PTB control the discussion. If someone is introduced to 9/11 truth because of the recent Pentagon video release, then great! But we need to make sure they know that it is not the only unanswered question, and that it is ultimately meaningless (especially because it seems there will soon be another video, probably doctored, that tries to kill the no-plane theory after it has been categorized as the only argument).<br><br>Insider Trading on American and United Airlines before 9/11<br>War Games on 9/11 conducted by Cheney featuring plane attacks<br>No Air Force intercept, even after WTC was hit (Are we defenseless?)<br>WTC Building 7 collapse and the govt agencies within<br>Physical evidence from WTC 1 & 2<br>Black Box recorders (indestructible, right?)<br>Ignored Warnings, then claims of no warnings<br><br><br>These facts are the meat of 9/11 truth, and people are ready to hear it. Let the Pentagon video speak for itself... any rational person can see that white streak in the video couldn't be a jumbo jet, and that certainly other videos exist that would immediately clear it up, but the government won't release them. So since that much is obvious... we must make loud and clear the other points that aren't so available and obvious to the 'average' American citizen. <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

I wonder what a 757 going 500 mph would look like on a security camera identical to the Pentagon one. Is the shutter on those things quick enough to capture a distinct object going that fast? Is there any security cam footage of the WTC crashes? Or anything similar? <p></p><i></i>

[dugoboy]

the 757 would be going at more like 350 mph due to air resistence at such a severly low angle. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."</p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

I've seen the speeds fluctuate this week from 350mph to 520+mph...What's up with that? It seems like there are ads/disads to both. If it's 350mph, then one can claim it's more likely (but still utterly improbable) for Hanjour to have manuevered the plane on its final descent. If it's 500+mph, then one can claim (still perhaps implausibly) that the security cam would have only picked up a blurred streak, as the footage shows.<br><br>Solution to my particular question: Let's see what a 350mph object <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>and</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> a 500mph object looks like on a security cam. <p></p><i></i>

[dugoboy]

this is related:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=4384.topic" target="top">p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=4384.topic</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."</p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>AOL-and-Bill-Gates-Will-Give-You-a-Dollar-for-Every-Email-Address-You-Send-This-To<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That's FAKE?<br><br>Crap. <br><br>Sorry for all those emails.... <p></p><i></i>