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Larry “Lucky Larry” Silverstein

Postby JD » Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:49 am

Interesting article. Can anyone comment on the veracity of the "facts" outlined?<br><br>$$$$$$$$$$$$<br><br>Larry “Lucky Larry” Silverstein<br><br>Date Published: 2006-09-06 <br><br>You’ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million<br><br>Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership. <br><br>Mr. Silverstein’s first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin’s cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines — two key players in the 9/11 attacks. <br><br>The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec. <br><br>Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated. <br><br>Another little “coincidence” -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against “terrorist attacks”.<br><br>Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr. Silverstein $4.6 Billion — a princely return on a relatively paltry investment of $124 million.<br><br>There’s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?<br><br>The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.<br><br>The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!<br><br>In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely. <br><br>WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed — exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.<br><br>How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:<br><br>"I remember getting a call from the...er...fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."<br><br>As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, “Pull” is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.<br><br>One thing is for sure, the decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history — including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building’s tenants:<br><br><br>US Secret Service <br>NSA <br>CIA <br>IRS <br>BATF <br>SEC <br>NAIC Securities <br>Salomon Smith Barney <br>American Express Bank International <br>Standard Chartered Bank <br>Provident Financial Management <br>ITT Hartford Insurance Group <br>Federal Home Loan Bank<br><br><br>The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."<br><br>Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. <br><br>Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.<br><br>What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11. <br><br>Incidentally, it’s worth noting that one of Lucky Larry’s closest friends — a person with whom it’s said he speaks almost daily by phone — is none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby orz » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:05 am

had me until "its own footprint at freefall speed" and "As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, “Pull” is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition." <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: z

Postby dbeach » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:37 am

this phrase has kicked around a few forums DUNNO exactly what it means<br><br>"its own footprint at freefall speed"<br><br><br>he is quite a lucky fellow and I am wondering just how the fates were so kind to such a fine fellow..Wasn't he involved in some powders exotic type?<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html">911research.wtc7.net/wtc/.../gold.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"A King's Ransom in Precious Metals Seems to Have Disappeared <br> <br>This image is found on the PBS.org website companion for the television documentary America Rebuilds under the section Uncovering Property. The page, entitled A Treasure in Silver and Gold, describes the vault as two levels of 3,000 square feet each. See the source for the full-sized image. The page credits images to Leslie E. Robertson and Associates. <br>The basement of 4 World Trade Center housed vaults used to store gold and silver bullion. Published articles about precious metals recovered from the World Trade Center ruins in the aftermath of the attack mention less than $300 million worth of gold. All such reports appear to refer to a removal operation conducted in late October of 2001. On Nov. 1, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that "more than $230 million" worth of gold and silver bars that had been stored in a bomb-proof vault had been recovered. A New York Times article contained: <br><br>Two Brinks trucks were at ground zero on Wednesday to start hauling away the $200 million in gold and silver that the Bank of Nova Scotia had stored in a vault under the trade center ... A team of 30 firefighters and police officers are helping to move the metals, a task that can be measured practically down to the flake but that has been rounded off at 379,036 ounces of gold and 29,942,619 ounces of silver .. 1 Â <br><br>Reports describing the contents of the vaults before the attack suggest that nearly $1 billion in precious metals was stored in the vaults. A figure of $650 million in a National Real Estate Investor article published after the attack is apparently based on pre-attack reports. <br><br>Unknown to most people at the time, $650 million in gold and silver was being kept in a special vault four floors beneath Four World Trade Center. 2 Â <br><br>An article in the TimesOnline gives the following rundown of precious metals that were being stored in the WTC vault belonging to Comex. 3 Â <br><br>Comex metals trading - 3,800 gold bars weighing 12 tonnes and worth more than $100 million <br>Comex clients - 800,000 ounces of gold with a value of about $220 million <br>Comex clients - 102 million ounces of silver, worth $430 million <br>Bank of Nova Scotia - $200 million of gold <br>The TimesOnline article is not clear as to whether the $200 million in gold reported by the Bank of Nova Scotia was part of the $220 million in gold held by Comex for clients. If so, the total is $750 million; otherwise $950 million. <br><br>There appear to be no reports of precious metals discovered between November of 2001 and the completion of excavation several months later. Assuming that the above reports described the value of precious metals in the vaulst before the attack, and that the $230 million mentioned by Giuliani represented the approxmiate value of metals recovered, it would seem that at least the better part of a billion dollars worth of precious metals went missing. (It is not plausible, of course, that whatever destroyed the towers vaporized gold and silver, which are dense, inert metals that are extremely unlikely to participate in chemical reactions with other materials.) <br><br>An article in The Sierra Times suggests that gold was recovered from two trucks in a tunnel under 5 World Trade Center, giving rise to suspicions that the trucks were being used to remove the gold from the vaults before the South Tower fell. 4 Â However, this report may have been based on an erroneous reading of other reports that describe the removal of crushed vehicles from a tunnel under 5 WTC in order to gain access to the vaults under 4 WTC to remove their contents. 5 Â <br><br>Why is there this huge discrepancy between the value of gold and silver reported recovered, and the value reported to have been stored in the vaults? There are a number of possible explanations, from outright theft using the attack as cover, to insurance fraud. Until there is a genuine investigation that probes all the relevant facts and circumstances surrounding the attack, we can only speculate"<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Rigorous Intuition » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:43 am

the bit about Securacom is misleading. The company had consulted on security, it didn't "provide" security, and its work ended a year before 9/11. (see <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=113081&mesg_id=113081">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->)<br><br>Since there wasn't a link to this article, I googled a phrase and it was originally posted on <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.ziopedia.org/content/view/1494/0/">ziopedia.org</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. I'd never heard of the site, but a little searching turns up much Holocaust denial and defence of the Protocols. And so I'd have to say ziopedia isn't a welcome source here.<br><br> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby orz » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:51 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>this phrase has kicked around a few forums DUNNO exactly what it means<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>It means the author has read some stuff on a website and regurgitated it without critical thought. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START |I --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tired.gif ALT="|I"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Yuck

Postby JD » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:12 am

ziopedia? Yuck. I saw it on some other bizarre site <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fourwinds10.com/MissionStatement.php" target="top">www.fourwinds10.com/MissionStatement.php</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <br><br>which doesn't have a great pedigree! Some kinda space god site. <br><br>Hence my introduction:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Can anyone comment on the veracity of the "facts" outlined?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>If a few of the facts outlined are correct and can be mined from it is pretty interesting. Did Silverstein make a pile of dough with the WTC deal or not?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Creator God Aton Rules

Postby JD » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:23 am

Yeah lots of offensive stuff - pretty equal opportunity in offense though - probably only the "Creator God Aton of Light" is safe from getting some bad press on the Fourwinds site.<br><br>This archive on religion nailed pretty much everybody: Jews, Evangelical Christians, Catholics, Masons, Ancient Pagans. Didn't see any hit pieces on Buddhists or Hindus though but didn't look long.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/ArticleCategoryListing.php?CategoryID=11" target="top">www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/ArticleCategoryListing.php?CategoryID=11</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Who finances Larry Lucky???

Postby dbeach » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:27 am

justa bunch of good ole guys from the Biggie Apple<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://floydanderson.gnn.tv/blogs/15797/The_Mark_of_the_Beast_666">floydanderson.gnn.tv/blog..._Beast_666</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>"Signed a 99-year lease for the WTC complex six weeks before the attacks of 9/11/2001<br><br>The Sears Tower<br>233 S. Wacker Drive<br>Chicago, Illinois 60606<br><br>March 11, 2004<br>MetLife sells Sears Tower<br>“A MetLife spokesman declined to comment on the sale price or the buyer, citing confidentiality agreements.”<br><br>March 12, 2004<br>MetLife selling Sears Tower<br>“A confidentiality agreement bars New York-based MetLife from disclosing the buyer’s identity or the sale price, company spokesman John Calagna said. An investor group including Lloyd Goldman of New York bought the building, newsletter the Slatin Report said, citing unidentified people familiar with the transaction. Goldman didn’t return a call seeking comment, and his lawyer, Steven Simkin, declined to comment.”<br><br>“New York investors Joseph Cayre and Jeffrey Feil joined Goldman in buying the building, the Slatin Report said. Cayre and Feil didn’t return voice mail messages requesting their comments. Cayre and Goldman were partners with developer Larry Silverstein in buying the World Trade Center lease in 2001.”<br><br>March 13, 2004<br>Owner Of WTC Buys Sears Tower<br>“MetLife wouldn’t reveal the buyers, but a source close to the sale said they are New York investors who held the lease on the World Trade Center. The buyers, the source said, are Lloyd Goldman, Joseph Cayre and Jeffrey Feil. The same men also were named as the buyers by the Slatin Report, a Web site covering New York real estate. All are prominent but secretive Manhattan landlords. Goldman and Cayre joined with Larry Silverstein in buying the trade center lease for $3.2 billion months before the twin towers were destroyed in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.”"<br><br><br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341515.shtml">portland.indymedia.org/en...1515.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br>"9-11 & Sears Tower Plot of Goldman Sachs,Kroll,& AIG: NO bomb, infiltrate,Silverstein link<br>author: big picture links for you <br>IS THE SEARS TOWER FILLED WITH THERMITE, RIGHT NOW, PLANTED BY KROLL (WTC INVOLVED AS WELL) THAT STATE TERRORISTS ARE DESPERATE TO USE???? With double Goldman Sachs and Kroll links to WTC and the Sears Tower, you should take note. Evidence below that the Sears Tower was MEANT to be hit on 9-11, though it failed to be....or evidence that it is soon planned to be hit by the U.S. Government. And the high level link of Goldman Sachs to everthing from Bush Senior's private terrorism slush fund moneylaundering, to helping Silverstein buy up the towers to destroy evidence of Goldman Sachs own financial criminality with Bush Senior, to now buying up and owning the Sears Tower, the "other 110 story tower" they own. Goldman Sachs were big residents themselves in the Chicago Sears Tower, though as soon as they buy it, they quickly plan to move out! <br><br>Looks like "they" are trying to topple another Silverstein-group connected property for profit and terror scares. Who knows what is going on, though what the Bushes say is totally at odds with their own evidence. Seems like another FBI directed terrorist incident was going on... <br><br>AIG and Marsh & McLennan were focused on participating in both short and long-term money laundering schemes during 9-11 events, while Kroll and Goldman Sachs aided AIG and Marsh and McLellan on the demolitions side of the operation: Goldman Sachs gave finances to buy up WTCs for a song and then destroy them, with Silverstein as front man. WTC demolitions additionaly destroyed Goldman Sachs high U.S. currency financial fraud of their own in the process--in the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald, linked to Poppy Bush. --- Links below, citations, and analysis with 23 OTHER ZIONIST/MOSSAD SIGNS OF THEIR IMPLEMENTATION OF STRIKES OF 9-11. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Looks a lot less lucky?

Postby JD » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:40 am

Yeah the original story isn't holding so well together.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Goldman and Cayre joined with Larry Silverstein in buying the trade center lease for $3.2 billion months before the twin towers were destroyed in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is a far cry from the claim:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You’ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Buying a lease for $3.2 billion isn't a $124mm investment, it is a $3.2 billion dollar obligation.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Larry Less Lucky?

Postby JD » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:46 am

Yeah the original story isn't holding so well together.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Goldman and Cayre joined with Larry Silverstein in buying the trade center lease for $3.2 billion months before the twin towers were destroyed in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is a far cry from the claim:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You’ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Buying a lease for $3.2 billion isn't a $124mm investment, it is a $3.2 billion dollar obligation.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Larry Less Lucky?

Postby darkbeforedawn » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:18 am

The question is, how much did he have to put down on the 3.2 billion and how much belonged to Silverstein personally from the insurance pay off, which, by the way he collected twice for TWO terror attacks--two planes--so how much total did he "make" from owning the complex for less than six months? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Larry Less Lucky?

Postby sijepuis » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:52 am

I'd be cautious about discarding this story merely on the basis of what appears to be dubiousness as to the sources JD cites. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>[there is such a thing as double-crossed disinformation]</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. I've encountered this argument elsewhere, on numerous occasions, and have considered it amongst the most compelling of all. <br><br>I try my best to keep out of discussions of September 11 because I'm not optimistic that we will ever know what happened that day and why. I make an exception, now, because I feel compelled to add that, if this particular angle were fully substantiated -- ie, that the towers had become a liability, requiring either $billions in renovation or demolition--, it would constitute a fundamental key to understanding the confluence of interests that stood to benefit from the towers' destruction. <br><br>I'm not in a position to pursue the subject, myself, but would urge 911 researchers not be deterred by seemingly discreditable sources on this story. These issues, if substantiated, would relegate the furiously disputed theories, CD, pods, no-planes, etc., to background noise. If it could be shown that the towers' destruction, or rehabilitation, had become a practical necessity, issues as to who may have perpetrated the act would be seen in a very different light.<br><br> <br>Thanks, JD, for initiating this discussion.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sijepuis>sijepuis</A> at: 9/8/06 10:42 am<br></i>
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Re: Larry Less Lucky?

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<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br> These issues, if substantiated, would relegate the furiously disputed theories, CD, pods, no-planes, etc., to background noise. If it could be shown that the towers' destruction, or rehabilitation, had become a practical necessity, issues as to who perpetrated the act would be seen in a very different light.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br> The WTC was a travisty from the get-go and opened for occupancy during New York's fiscal crisis when there was virtually no market for downtown office space. The Port Authority was forced not only to subsidize the rents but also to fill the floors with N.Y. State tenants since no one else was interested. The plaza was a wasteland made worse in winter by the gale-force winds off the Hudson. By <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/nytimes/111862329.html?did=111862329&FMT=ABS&FMTS=AI&date=May+31%2C+1981&author=By+JOYCE+PURNICK&desc=It%27s+Still+No+Sale+at+the+Trade+Center">1981</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>many wanted the complex sold to, among other reasons, put it back on the tax rolls. By the 90's, not only did the towers need millions in costly repairs, it had also become clear that it could never be brought up to speed to accomodate the pc revolution/information age.<br><br> Most New Yorkers loathed the buildings and, pre-911, would have been happy to have them disappear. But like GWB's image, that of the WTC was miraculously transformed on that date.<br><br> Silverstein committed to paying $3.4 billion over a period of 99 years. He received an insurance payout of 4.6 billion. He has already financed the rebuilding of WTC 7 with tax-free low-interest bonds. NY City and State would BOTH like at least part of the site back on the tax rolls and may end up paying a substantial sum to buy out a portion of Larry's 99-year lease.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://redlineav.com/tsg.deposition.contd.2.html">Why The World Trade Towers­ "Must come down!"</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://ericdarton.net/html/freeassoc.html">FREE ASSOCIATIONS</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Larry Less Lucky?

Postby rocco33 » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:22 pm

Did you know that Silverstein was honored at Yale last year? Guess what the date was? 3-22.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nypost.com/realestate/comm/64461.htm">www.nypost.com/realestate/comm/64461.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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