Behind The Veil In Washington DC -- The Rise Of Angelic Rule

[Telexx]

^^ AnnaLiva - a v.good post in fact.

In particular I agree whole-heartedly with your point about people-needing-to-get-off-their-arses-to-a-spectacular-degree.

Thanks,

Telexx

[AnnaLivia]

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[Telexx]

AnnaLiva...

This seems to me both dazzling and eccentrically eloquent...

I'm not a religious person although I've studied (to a reasonable degree, not in any great depth) the major religions. There seems to be a lot of wisdom in each (or, more likely, the same wisdom in each). I suppose it is when a religion is held up as a banner! for men to unite in arms beneath, then it morphs from a thing of wisdom and spiritual guidance to a thing of spite, oppression & conquest...

As I understand it, Buddha & Christ both taught that divinity exists within us all, because we are all one with each other and with God, whatever that might mean. (I take it to mean a quality of Love, of light that is the opposite of the Dark).

I believe that beyond our flesh & bones we are beings of pure energy that exist beyond time.

So yes I would agree 100% we are not separate from each other and we are not separate from God. But this is perhaps the true meaning of magic teapots and already I can hear the gnashing of reductionist teeth

I suppose all teeth, by their function, are reductionist.

Thanks for a v.good post.

Telexx

[pitcairn]

this thread has been pretty well all over the map, which I guess AnnaLivia would say is the same as staying right put, lol

most everyone here is very nimble with words and usually I'm not at all, so it might seem that my previous post in this thread was a little off topic, but what I meant to say really was that ... it isn't always easy to distinguish the seen from the unseen, the "real" from the "unreal," the selfconscious from the unselfconscious, when trying to reckon the operative influences in life

not long ago, everyone who was anyone in the "developed" world "knew" that birds could only live by and on instinct, and "proved" it based on analysis of their brain size and structure:

"Birds don't have an elaborate cerebral cortex, therefore their day-to-day functioning was believed to be strictly based on their genetic programming, making them almost robotic in nature."

so we reckoned we also "knew" the limits of the effect and influence of birds; but then, as fate would have it? we find out, through experiments following the scientific method, as well as by close observation, that corvidae, at least, can ingeniously solve problems, can "reckon things out" when faced with a novel proposition.

and then we found out some things we hadn't known about brain development and differentiation:

" ... neurologist Stanley Cobb found that the avian brain is all together unique system. Rather than a cortex to provide intelligence as the case is with mammals, he found that birds have developed a part in the forebrain called the hyperstraiatum to perform synonymous functions. Crows, ravens, and magpies appear to have the largest hyperstriatums, as well as the largest overall brain size among birds. Moreover, these corvids have brains that contain an exceptionally large number of brain cells."

hmm. well okay, you say, crows are smart, so what?

well not just smart:

From "Bird Brains," by Candace Savage, she writes: "Crows, ravens, magpies and jays are not just feathered machines, rigidly programmed by their genetics. Instead, they are beings that, within the constraints of their molecular inheritance, make complex decisions and show every sign of enjoying a rich awareness."

so they are smart AND, possibly "richly," aware. and that's not all, btw.

so the point is, until sometime in the latter half of this century, it would have been as preposterous to "scientific," "educated" minds to suggest that a crow might actually be aware of human activity and responding to it intelligently, possibly interacting with it from a "rich awareness" as to suggest the existence of djinns or the possibility that powerful men might believe in those djinns.

my larger point, I guess, is that we barely know the flesh and blood creatures who surround us and who can be easily seen with the anatomical eye; it would seem a trifle premature to rule out a host of things that may or may not be there for us to observe, whether or no anyone else believes devoutly that they are there, even should that devout belief lead to an effort to exploit the object(s) of said faith for nefarious purposes.

oh, and in honour of our friends and cohabitants, the corvidae:

http://pages.cthome.net/rwinkler/crowintel.htm

I'm not sure how to do links yet, but this url will take you to the story of Betty and Abel, two delightful, toolmaking crows

if it doesn't work, let me know

[Poztron]

I think the key phrase was "significant portion of the 'Elites'". I'm certainly not thinking of your average TV Journalist, or middle/high ranking politico, or even a 'typical' top level CEO (I know, that's a generalisation: I suppose I mean people born into wealth and who, through their career, climb even higher upwards).

I suppose I'm talking Old Money. I suppose I'm talking those members of VERY elite groups like the CFR & Trilat etc who naturally gravitate towards things like freemasonry (although not exclusively freemasonry - just an example). I suppose I'm talking about groups within groups.

(...)

True, but I suppose to my mind I am suggesting that there are high ranking people who don't just believe this, but who interact with said beings, manipulate said energies and manifest said realities through mind control etc. I am suggesting an active understanding rather than a passive belief. (It could be that they're derranged in their own evil beliefs... or not! I tend towards not, hence my point about the possibility of other dimensions, non-locality and such...)

I suppose I can grant the possibility that there might be other-dimensional beings that derive sustinance (loosh) from the psychic energy on earth generated by things like the civil war in Iraq or capital punishment or whatever. But if so, I think they are capable of doing so - and their hapless servants in power are able to assist in the misery - without having to bring the occult into it.

It sometimes appears that those who are most superstitious and incredulous about the so-called occult are those paranoid Xians who least understand it and attribute way too much power to it. But it makes a good whipping boy for them to froth at the mouth about.

This is definitely true, although I am not sure that you can attribute way too much power to it. If the power of it all was insignificant, then the Elites would abandon it to repetition, spin and distraction, along with other technologies like the ad agencies you mentioned earlier. I don't think that's happened.

Why do you think that? Have you had some direct experience of Elite-enacted occult actions? Or is all this based on your surmises or others' 2nd or 3rd hand reports?

The main way I keep my sanity when dealing with all this stuff is to keep trimming things back to what I've directly experienced. Everything else is hearsay. Possibly interesting or even true hearsay, but hearsay nevertheless. <g>

[Joe Hillshoist]

I suppose I can grant the possibility that there might be other-dimensional beings that derive sustinance (loosh) from the psychic energy on earth generated by things like the civil war in Iraq or capital punishment or whatever. But if so, I think they are capable of doing so - and their hapless servants in power are able to assist in the misery - without having to bring the occult into it.

When I was having my K Packer the giant psychic vampire fantasy I wasn't thinking he was feeding other hyperdimensial being with it. I was thinking he was grabbing it for himself.

then again he died of kidney failure so maybe ...

(Some people might say its better than dying of kid failure, time will tell on that).

Then again humans are just some weird bio mystic force field from hyperspace with a mind and body attatched as someone once said. So again maybe.

I was actually thinking along the lines of ... You know how some people are draining to be around, and seem to thrive on it.

[Telexx]

my larger point, I guess, is that we barely know the flesh and blood creatures who surround us and who can be easily seen with the anatomical eye; it would seem a trifle premature to rule out a host of things that may or may not be there for us to observe, whether or no anyone else believes devoutly that they are there, even should that devout belief lead to an effort to exploit the object(s) of said faith for nefarious purposes.

Pitcairn - nimbly put! Couldn't agree with you more...

The main way I keep my sanity when dealing with all this stuff is to keep trimming things back to what I've directly experienced. Everything else is hearsay. Possibly interesting or even true hearsay, but hearsay nevertheless. <g>

Poztron- Yes, I would have to agree certainly. The Empiricist in me is pretty strong. I suppose what I've done here is take the (interesting, mixed, limited) results of my own firsthand investigations into esoteric matters and from there projected them outwards - with information gathered from elsewhere (not least in this blog) - into a bit of a pet theory you could describe as Eyes-Wide-Shut-ism.

(I feel Eyes Wide Shut was probably a fair - watered down even - reflection of the sex rituals these revolting old lizards indulge in. It's not a big jump from EWS to include younger victims, darker intentions... Occult intentions even or do you think I'm misusing the term?)

But just a pet theory true! AnnaLiva, HMW, yourself & others are right in that, you can only speculate so much. The priority must be with action. I am lucky in that my job means getting paid to talk to regular people for 2 hours at a time, covering many interesting topics relating to humanity & the human condition. For example, people who just can't stop consuming find it very interesting to hear how the media uses sophisticated hypnotic techniques on them daily with the message CONSUMPTION MAKES YOU HAPPY...

Similarly, people in the thrall of anxiety always find it interesting to learn how governments blow things out of proportion to keep the populace scared. People find these things most illuminating, even as I introduce them to concepts like this gently, you can see pennies drop, light-bulbs appear and new horizons being reached. It's v.satisfying and I am lucky to love a job doing good in this world...

Anyway - this is a discussion board of course where you can hone ideas, reject & reform ideas, and discuss the ins-and-outs etc - hence my continued speculation on matters that no doubt are too frivolous for some.

Thanks,

Telexx

[Iroquois]

Pitcairn - nimbly put! Wink Couldn't agree with you more...

Bah, you beat me to it, Telexx. :)

And, thanks all for the wonderfully thought-provoking read.

[Joe Hillshoist]

There is a bird in Oz called a Currawong. Its a bit like a maggie, but with a beak twice the size and it tucks its wings in when it dives.

The move in small armies, and organise themselves that way, they will camp in a gully with look outs and perimeters and its amazingly organised.

Once I was down the hill, steep hillside with lots of gullies in it.

A Currawong lept out of a tree and lined me up from 100m away. Flew straight at me then changed direction and nailed a noisy mynah sitting in the tree behind me. The mynah exploded in a perfect circle of feathers before flying off schreeching indignantly.

The Currawong looked me in the eyes and I swear it laughed. It then invited me to follow it. (Rationalists might have issues with this, but I dunno how else to describe its attitde). I followed it around the hills for a couple of hours and found all sorts of places that I didn't know were there.

It was odd too cos every time I'd lose the bird it would find me sing its little song get my attention and make sure I was still following.

It was a useful journey and I found some cool little things and some excellant places, tucked away right next to where I had been regularly passing for years.

Every year they turn up and raid our avo tree, we probably lose 50 to 100 avos a year to them, but the tree produces hundreds so its no real loss.

Feathered machine my fat foot. they are aware and switched on. They interact with their enviroment to the limits of their consciousness.

modern humans could learn alot from them.

[Poztron]

Excellent bird story, Joe. Thanks.

And Telexx, it might be worth a topic just to post your observations on

how the media uses sophisticated hypnotic techniques on them daily with the message CONSUMPTION MAKES YOU HAPPY...

Insights from a professional hypnotist would certainly be valuable.

You also said:

(I feel Eyes Wide Shut was probably a fair - watered down even - reflection of the sex rituals these revolting old lizards indulge in. It's not a big jump from EWS to include younger victims, darker intentions... Occult intentions even or do you think I'm misusing the term?)

"Occult" just means hidden and technically it shouldn't have a particularly negative or positive spin. Unfortunately, perhaps in a case of keyword hijacking <g>, it has largely come to have a spooky connotation. Or perhaps due to a cultural bias left over from the days of witch scares and the like, people just get spooked by things that deal with the Unseen or psychic or whatever.

So, I wouldn't say you are misusing the term, but I would be careful of the connotations. Anyway, the big problem I have with all this speculating about occult sex rituals among the Elite, is that I think that this gets more and more unlikely once you've got middle-aged men past the age of, say, 45. Sure, for the last 10 years or so (or however long it has been) there has been Viagra, but really, when you are dealing with a lot of dudes who are overweight, smoke cigars, and drink too much, does anyone realistically think that they are in any shape to have ritualistic sex orgies?

[LilyPatToo]

Poztron, the answer to your question about the old guys/orgies is Yes. And up into their 60's-70's. Trust me on this

Lily

[Poztron]

Poztron, the answer to your question about the old guys/orgies is Yes. And up into their 60's-70's. Trust me on this

Are you speaking as someone who has participated in ritual sex orgies with guys in the 60's and 70's? [Pardon the impertinent question.]

Maybe you just hang out with a sturdier batch of overweight cigar smokers than I do. Or maybe the ultimate secret held by the Illuminati is that of small vein dilation.

[LilyPatToo]

It's a bit personal, but I will tell you that I've had a very unusual life and that a few years ago I found out that other women had written about almost identical lives that they'd survived--and they were exploited in government-sanctioned, trauma-based mind control programs. We were bought and sold among an in-group of wealthy men--I actually remember one of my own sales and have written about it.

Most of the other women I knew back then, who I suspect were like me, are dead or in jail or they've vanished into the criminal underground over the years. Most ended up as prostitutes. I am one very, very lucky woman to be where I am today--alive, married and mostly free of the program. I'll always be DID/MPD (Lily is an alter, I'm Pat), but I'm functioning well, considering what I lived through from the late 1940's through the 1980's.

You know how people put little hand-written notes beside dishes they bring to pot-luck parties? I have flashes of memories of parties on yachts where cut-crystal bowls held handfuls of "poppers" and other sex aids, each with a neat little card sitting by it to tell the partiers what was in that bowl. The age ranges of the men present was from 30's through 60's. The women were from late teens through mid-20's. No sexual performance problems that I can recall, but I don't have many memories from then.

LilyPat

[Telexx]

LilyPatToo - thanks you for reminding us that, for all its clever wordiness etc, these discussions are about PEOPLE and how we can prevent their abuse.

Thank you for your post,

Telexx

[LilyPatToo]

While I do definitely believe that there is a strong occult element in certain in-groups within the wealthy here in the US, they don't advertise it. The only glimpse I had of it (that I can remember) was once when my everyday consiousness somehow began to surface intermittently during an important meeting held at a restaurant.

One guy very ceremonially handed a long, narrow box (safety dep. box sized and shaped) to the other. It was bizarre-looking--covered in red Chinese silk--and they handled it the way you would a ritual object. Then they signed papers in a more ordinary fashion, but followed that with a "funny handshake" (maybe a ritual one?). Then they both turned to look at me with big smiles on their faces and I finally figured it out--I'd just been sold.

Never saw owner guy #1 again, but he turned up on the board of Gulf & Western shortly thereafter. Owner guy #2 turned up on CNN Business News years ago when he retired from the board of a big corporation. [note--not that they were my first and second owners, I just don't want to use names for the two at this particular sale]

Didn't mean to take this thread off-topic, but I suspect that first-hand info on these creeps is rare, so I wanted to contribute my bits and pieces. Like I said, most of the other slave witnesses to it are dead, too mentally ill to testify (or all incriminating memories are held by alters) or vanished.

LilyPat