Dollar rising strongly - what does it mean?

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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:52 pm

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In the midst of a world crisis based on a debt-induced meltdown within the US FIRE sector, capital has been moving out of the securities markets but also showing a net movement into the dollar region, which now stands at 1.26 against the euro. The yen has also risen, however.

What's going on? I thought of a few possibilities off the top of my head, none of which I know for sure. These include:

1) Many of us on this board who foresee insolvency, decline and a ratings downgrade for the world's largest debtor nation are missing something.

2) With no investment appearing secure anywhere, everyone's still a sucker for the apparent security of the US and especially its T-bills, even at low interest rates. Seeing as there are so many T-bills newly made available, why not leave securities and go there? Those who do may live to regret it.

3) Hedge funds or other big actors are retaliating against Europe for not bowing down to the supremacy of capital quite as radically. The EU came up with a bigger bailout but one that essentially nationalizes the financial sector and forces private capital to cede control. The Wild West looks better to the banksters.

4) Sorry, anti-Americans, it's even worse than that: Europe really does suck more as an investment.

5) Big actors have more liabilities in dollars and are moving reserves into dollars. They're forced to pay off dollar obligations and even hoping to stay solvent.

6) With commodities especially oil down (due to demand destruction) and still priced in dollars, dollars look better than they did.

7) It's a burp. Other. Don't know. Discuss.

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Postby justdrew » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:22 pm

I would guess we are spending our foreign currency reserves to buy dollars to bring them back into the US.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:25 pm

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jd: that's not the official story on this. NYT today says Fed, central banks contemplating intervention to stabilze the exchange rates. That could be bullshit, of course. Looks like what's happening is the LDCs are being punished with capital withdrawal to help shore up the dollar books.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/busin ... nted=print

October 25, 2008
Some Currencies Plunge as Stocks Sink Worldwide
By MARK LANDLER and VIKAS BAJAJ

WASHINGTON — Fear that the financial crisis is infecting once-healthy economies created another white-knuckle day for investors Friday, causing stocks to tumble from Tokyo to New York.

Uncertainty also roiled currency markets as investors continued to turn to the security of the United States dollar and the Japanese yen and drove down currencies of developing countries like Brazil, Ukraine and South Korea and even of developed countries like Britain.

In the United States, where the crisis began, investors were less alarmed than elsewhere. A rout in Asian and European stock markets sent the Dow Jones industrial average swooning by more than 500 points in early trading in New York, but trading recovered enough ground through the day to leave the Dow down 312.30 points, or 3.6 percent.

Just a year ago, a drop of that size would have been considered a black day in the markets, but in these days of routine triple-digit declines, it offered a modicum of relief to traumatized investors.

Still, there were chilling new developments that attested to the wide scope of the crisis, despite efforts by heads of state, central bankers and corporate leaders to stop the bleeding. Cash flowed into the dollar and the Japanese yen, the two most sought-after safe havens in a storm-tossed world, as it fled from emerging markets.

Hedge funds and other investors are pulling money out of these countries on an immense scale, analysts said, and putting it into dollars and yen. There were few safe harbors, as commodities also tumbled. Fears of a spreading global recession caused oil prices to fall 5 percent, to $64.15, even after OPEC, the oil cartel, announced it was cutting output. Government-backed mortgage bonds and debt issued by top-rated corporations were also dragged down in the undertow.


“This is a panic in the way of the fine 19th-century panics, where we all run around like headless chickens,” said R. Jeremy Grantham, chairman of the Boston-based investment firm GMO, who had predicted stocks would tumble. “I have been in the business for 40 years, and I have never seen anything like this.”

So great are the concerns among policy makers about the turmoil in currency markets that it has prompted talk of a coordinated intervention by the leading industrial countries in coming days, to quell the soaring dollar and put a floor under emerging-market currencies.

Such a move — in which the Federal Reserve and other central banks would sell dollars and yen and buy other currencies — has been used extremely sparingly by the United States in recent years.

“The risk is huge, but it is appropriate at this point, because if the emerging markets go into default, the consequences would be catastrophic,” said Kenneth S. Rogoff, an economist at Harvard.

When a developing country’s currency loses value rapidly, it impedes the ability to pay back loans from Western banks. That could cause a rash of corporate or even government defaults — a feature of previous financial crises in Asia and Latin America.

In the United States, the rescue effort may also grow. The Treasury Department, officials said, is weighing whether to expand its program of capital injections to encompass insurance companies, many of which own savings and loans, and is under pressure to include the financing arms of the auto companies. The government injections are currently reserved for banks.

The Treasury secretary, Henry M. Paulson Jr., appears to be drawing the line at investing in hedge funds, which, officials note, do not supply credit to the economy and are in the business of taking on large risks.

Indeed, hedge funds accounted for some of the turmoil on Friday. They are being forced to sell their stocks, bonds and other instruments to pay off their investors and lenders. Beyond that, investors are increasingly convinced that the global economy is headed for a long, painful recession.

“There has been tremendous activity in the currency markets, the commodity market and the stock market that reveal the fingerprints of forced selling,” said Marc D. Stern, chief investment officer of Bessemer Trust, an investment firm based in New York.

The flight to safety is hurting once-mighty currencies like Britain’s pound. On Friday, worries about how the financial crisis would affect Britain’s economy caused the pound to lose 8 cents against the dollar, falling to $1.53.

While a strong dollar might be a boon for American tourists abroad, it creates a host of problems for economies.

And the downdraft of the pound and the euro — which fell to $1.26 against the dollar on Friday, its lowest level in two years — is less serious for the economic well-being of Britain and Europe than the deterioration of currencies like the Mexican peso or the Russian ruble.

Even if the Federal Reserve, the Bank of Japan and other central banks intervened in the foreign-exchange markets, it was not clear that it would reverse the pressure on these currencies.

“I don’t see this as a crisis breaker,” said Simon Johnson, a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund. “But it would help emerging-market companies, and give everyone a chance to catch their breath.”

The last time the Federal Reserve intervened in currency markets was in September 2000, when it teamed up with the European Central Bank and the Bank of Japan to shore up the faltering euro. Before that, the United States and Japan teamed up to buy yen during the Asian crisis in June 1998.

With President Bush convening a meeting of the Group of 20 nations in Washington on Nov. 15, analysts said there would be pressure on the United States and other Western countries to show they were trying to cushion the blow of the crisis on developing countries.

The International Monetary Fund is trying to arrange a large credit line to help developing countries desperate for dollars. On Friday, Iceland announced it had reached a tentative deal for a $2 billion emergency loan from the fund — making it the first country to seek aid from the fund during this crisis, and the first Western country to do so since 1976.

The bad news started early Friday in Tokyo and Seoul, where big companies like Toyota, Sony and Samsung disappointed investors with their earnings. It continued as trading opened in Europe, with Britain reporting that its economy shrank in the third quarter.

By the time investors awoke in New York, stock futures had fallen so far that trading in them had been halted. Investors were on notice that the market could fall at least 6 percent, perhaps much more.

As trading started, the Dow dropped 450 points, or about 5 percent, and the floor appeared calm. Some traders said they took solace in the fact that the decline had not been greater — and far from the 1,100-point drop that would force a trading halt on the Big Board.

“It was frightening, absolutely frightening,” Warren Meyers, a floor trader for Walter J. Dowd Inc., said early on Friday. “Every day we are walking on shaking ground.”

Stocks seesawed for much of the rest of the day. A report that existing home sales jumped 5.5 percent in September as banks unloaded foreclosed homes did little to help the market.

But at about 2 p.m., stocks started rallying, and by 3 p.m., the Dow was down by just 100 points for the day. It was unclear what was fueling the rally, though investors seemed cheered by reports that the Treasury was weighing investments in insurance companies.

The Dow, however, was not able to build on those gains and fell sharply at the end of trading, dropping 183 points in 10 minutes.

The Treasury’s benchmark 10-year note fell 3/32, to 102 18/32, and the yield, which moves in the opposite direction from the price, was at 3.69 percent, up from 3.67 percent late Thursday.

As is often the case when stocks fall steeply, the market is starting to entice some investors, many of whom say they have never seen prices so low, to buy. Among them is Mr. Grantham, the GMO chairman.

After years of warning that stocks were unreasonably overpriced, he said he now believed they were below their fair value and had been slowly acquiring holdings in blue-chip companies.

“It’s a very nerve-racking time to be a value investor,” Mr. Grantham said. “You put a little bit into the market, and the next day you think, ‘What an idiot, what an idiot.’ ”

Edmund L. Andrews contributed reporting in Washington, and Michael M. Grynbaum in New York.

Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company

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Re: Dollar rising strongly - what does it mean?

Postby wintler2 » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:10 pm

JackRiddler wrote:..What's going on? I thought of a few possibilities off the top of my head, none of which I know for sure. These include:

1) Many of us on this board who foresee insolvency, decline and a ratings downgrade for the world's largest debtor nation are missing something.
patience, grasshopper ;) but yes i too am surprised by US dollar rally, oils fall.
2) With no investment appearing secure anywhere, everyone's still a sucker for the apparent security of the US and especially its T-bills, even at low interest rates. Seeing as there are so many T-bills newly made available, why not leave securities and go there? Those who do may live to regret it.
The 'flight to security' is the most common explanation, habit makes me look elsewhere.
3) Hedge funds or other big actors are retaliating against Europe for not bowing down to the supremacy of capital quite as radically. The EU came up with a bigger bailout but one that essentially nationalizes the financial sector and forces private capital to cede control. The Wild West looks better to the banksters.
Very plausible, I believe Capital calls it 'better market conditions', covers everything from pliable media to death squads.
4) Sorry, anti-Americans, it's even worse than that: Europe really does suck more as an investment.
Maybe, if all you're looking at is cash profit.
5) Big actors have more liabilities in dollars and are moving reserves into dollars. They're forced to pay off dollar obligations and even hoping to stay solvent.
Quite possible, & are they then indicating that US is where they'd make their last stand, if comes to it, or just where their debts force them?
6) With commodities especially oil down (due to demand destruction) and still priced in dollars, dollars look better than they did.
Latter is true, but don't think demand destruction deserves all the credit for oil price plummet. I wonder if instead both oils fall and US dollar rise are due to the unwinding of commodity and currency positions by hedge funds. We'll know within month or two apparently as process near complete, and the capital will be back in rich folks hands, free to go ..?

LONDON, Oct. 24 -- The hedge fund industry, a once-unstoppable profit machine that has already lost more than $200 billion in value this year, could shrink by a quarter or more as the global financial crisis deepens, according to industry analysts and fund managers.

Meanwhile, investors, typically giant institutions and wealthy individuals, are pulling money out of many money-losing hedge funds. That, in turn, appears to be contributing to the wild swings in markets, analysts say, as these redemptions force the funds to sell stocks and other assets, and unwind other complex investments in ways that can effectively drive up prices. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/10/24/ST2008102404036.html
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Postby Nordic » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:18 pm

Well, seeing as how it appears that the price of spot gold is dropping because people are selling it like crazy to make up for thier losses elsewhere, I'd say it's a pretty good guess that the dollar's "strength" is due to the same thing.

In other words, number 4 from the OP.

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Postby anothershamus » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:02 pm

The 'Experts' think that the dollar will be backed up by the US Taxpayer so they all dump whatever they have left into something that they think will hold up. This can only happen for a short time before the currency collapses. EVERYBODY IS PANICKING! NO ONE OF THE 'EXPERTS' KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THEY ALL ARE SCARED SHITLESS.

I am holding my cash and metals until this blows over. Next week should be interesting. Look for the buy in around 6500 on the DOW. Make sure you have the Kevin out look 'many eggs many baskets'. cryptogon.com
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:05 pm

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Nordic: I think you mean 5 from the OP?
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Postby Ben D » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:24 pm

The unwinding of the carry trade is also certainly adding to the current distortions in the currency market as traders get out.
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Postby ninakat » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:41 pm

Jack, I read lots of stuff from a lots of different sources on the economy, and I'm really a novice at all of this. But, I'm struck at the disparity between opinions. Here are two from completely opposite sides -- which probably just muddies the waters even more. *sigh*

First, an interview on Moyers with James K. Galbraith, which I found shocking (to borrow from Greenspan) because he just sounds delusional regarding the dollar when everyone else I read talks about the dollar's inevitable collapse:

    JAMES GALBRAITH: The government has no problem with money. What we're learning, first of all, is that the dollar remains the anchor currency of the world. The euro is the one, is the currency that's collapsing right now, not the dollar.

    Uncle Sam's credit is excellent. Uncle Sam can borrow short term for practically nothing these days. Everybody wants to have Treasury Bills and bonds because they're safe. Uncle Sam can borrow for 20 years at 4.3%. That's the same rate that the United States could borrow at for 20 years in the last month of the Eisenhower administration. So from our point of view, we're actually well placed, I mean, as the government of the United States is well placed to take the lead in pulling the country and the world out of this crisis.

    (...)

    BILL MOYERS: What are the negative effects of a soaring deficit?

    JAMES GALBRAITH: Well, the one thing I would have worried about is that we might not find lenders who are willing to provide funds to the U.S. government, that the Chinese or the Japanese might decide that they would rather be in some other currency and that we'd then have trouble with inflation. But that's not going to happen.

    It's not going to happen because, as it turns out, the major alternative, the euro, simply isn't viable as a reserve asset for the rest of the world. It's the dollar or nothing. So the United States basically can finance itself to the extent necessary to deal with this crisis. And I'm right now quite sanguine about that, quite confident that we won't face a problem.

    link
And then here's a different take from Jim Willie, who tends to go out on a limb a lot, but who for me has a more realistic notion of what the dollar means in today's world, and where it's headed.

    USDollar Death Dance
    Jim Willie CB
    October 23, 2008

    The USDollar rally in the last several weeks has been remarkable. At closer examination, it highly resembles a spurt prior to death. Imagine an old man who just had a heart attack, lost feeling in certain body parts, his mind not working right, plenty of nonsense gibberish coming from his mouth, and now he is dancing hard on some last gasps. The vast liquidation movement is akin to the old man going through an embalming process while dancing atop the tables at the funeral parlor, as bidding proceeds for his cadaver. Are Americans last to realize the financial structure destruction means the USEconomy does not enter a recession, but rather a bizarre unprecedented disintegration? It seems so. The liquidation of speculative positions, the massive de-leveraging, the payouts of defaulted bonds, these events are the opposite of developments toward revival or resuscitation, like business investment!! Liquidation is the exact opposite of investment, and precedes job cuts, not job creation.

    (...)

    Financial markets, including the USDollar, have yet to factor in the deep USEconomic recession. The USDollar rally flies in the face of deteriorating fundamentals. See job cut announcements at Caterpillar, Merrill Lynch, General Motors, Chrysler, several Wall Street firms including Goldman Sachs today. Weekly jobless claims at close to half a million per week, equal to peak during the unrecognized 2001 recession. See the UMichigan consumer sentiment, Philly Fed index, Empire Fed index, leading economic indicators, durable goods orders, on and on. Retail sales, the backbone of the backwards USEconomy, are plummeting. That is, the plummet is before inflation price adjustments. Car sales are plummeting also.

    Exports are to be worse from the higher US$ exchange rate on the table, combined with slower foreign economies. The improved export trade has been a big boast from the lunatics running the asylum. The USEconomy is accelerating in its decline, certain to produce a recession and huge USGovt deficits. That deficit is likely to at least double and possible quadruple next year. USTreasury Bond issuance cannot conceivably finance all, or at least half, of the commitments. The printing press will do the rest, which will cut down the US$ valuation. The USDollar decline lies ahead, when the distortions slow or come to an end. Gold will soar on the other side of this liquidation.

    An extreme backlash attack is coming against the USDollar. Rising import prices in foreign economies have already caused alarm. Foreigners will soon attack the US$ in a matter of time, using heavy US$-based reserves. Their banking sectors are in disarray, primarily because they are intimately tied to the US$ and USTBonds. The process has begun with Brazil and Mexico in Latin America, to use their strong reserves and sell into this queer US$ strength. That is what reserves are for. The process will spread to other nations.

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Postby ninakat » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:47 pm

Also, here's an article about a piece published in a leading Chinese state newspaper. Doesn't this portend that the Chinese government will likely stop investing in the dollar?

U.S. has plundered world wealth with dollar -China paper

BEIJING, Oct 24 (Reuters) - The United States has plundered global wealth by exploiting the dollar's dominance, and the world urgently needs other currencies to take its place, a leading Chinese state newspaper said on Friday.

The front-page commentary in the overseas edition of the People's Daily said that Asian and European countries should banish the U.S. dollar from their direct trade relations for a start, relying only on their own currencies.

A meeting between Asian and European leaders, starting on Friday in Beijing, presented the perfect opportunity to begin building a new international financial order, the newspaper said.

The People's Daily is the official newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party. The Chinese-language overseas edition is a small circulation offshoot of the main paper.

Its pronouncements do not necessarily directly voice leadership views. But the commentary, as well as recent comments, amount to a growing chorus of Chinese disdain for Washington's economic policies and global financial dominance in the wake of the credit crisis.

"The grim reality has led people, amidst the panic, to realise that the United States has used the U.S. dollar's hegemony to plunder the world's wealth," said the commentator, Shi Jianxun, a professor at Shanghai's Tongji University.

Shi, who has before been strident in his criticism of the U.S., said other countries had lost vast amounts of wealth because of the financial crisis, while Washington's sole concern had been protecting its own interests.

"The U.S. dollar is losing people's confidence. The world, acting democratically and lawfully through a global financial organisation, urgently needs to change the international monetary system based on U.S. global economic leadership and U.S. dollar dominance," he wrote.

Shi suggested that all trade between Europe and Asia should be settled in euros, pounds, yen and yuan, though he did not explain how the Chinese currency could play such a role since it is not convertible on the capital account.

A two-day Asia-Europe Meeting (ASEM) of 27 EU member states and 16 Asian countries was set to open on Friday. Though few analysts expect much in the way of concrete agreements, Shi said it could prove momentous.

"How can Europe and Asia grasp each other's hands and together confront the once-in-a-century global financial crisis sparked by the U.S.; how can they construct a new equitable and safe international financial order?" he said.

"The world is waiting for this Asian-European meeting to achieve big results in financial cooperation." (Reporting by Simon Rabinovitch; Editing by Ken Wills)
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Postby anothershamus » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:09 am

ninakat, I am quoting your whole post because it says that even these 'experts' don't know what the f#(% is going on. They all subscribe to 'Economic Theory" and they don't really know what's going to happen with a global market. I took an Economic class in europe and I saw the one chart overlapping into the next chart and it was all pretty and symetric and I saw it just as made up DREK. THEY DON'T KNOW S#!T

ninakat wrote:Jack, I read lots of stuff from a lots of different sources on the economy, and I'm really a novice at all of this. But, I'm struck at the disparity between opinions. Here are two from completely opposite sides -- which probably just muddies the waters even more. *sigh*

First, an interview on Moyers with James K. Galbraith, which I found shocking (to borrow from Greenspan) because he just sounds delusional regarding the dollar when everyone else I read talks about the dollar's inevitable collapse:

    JAMES GALBRAITH: The government has no problem with money. What we're learning, first of all, is that the dollar remains the anchor currency of the world. The euro is the one, is the currency that's collapsing right now, not the dollar.

    Uncle Sam's credit is excellent. Uncle Sam can borrow short term for practically nothing these days. Everybody wants to have Treasury Bills and bonds because they're safe. Uncle Sam can borrow for 20 years at 4.3%. That's the same rate that the United States could borrow at for 20 years in the last month of the Eisenhower administration. So from our point of view, we're actually well placed, I mean, as the government of the United States is well placed to take the lead in pulling the country and the world out of this crisis.

    (...)

    BILL MOYERS: What are the negative effects of a soaring deficit?

    JAMES GALBRAITH: Well, the one thing I would have worried about is that we might not find lenders who are willing to provide funds to the U.S. government, that the Chinese or the Japanese might decide that they would rather be in some other currency and that we'd then have trouble with inflation. But that's not going to happen.

    It's not going to happen because, as it turns out, the major alternative, the euro, simply isn't viable as a reserve asset for the rest of the world. It's the dollar or nothing. So the United States basically can finance itself to the extent necessary to deal with this crisis. And I'm right now quite sanguine about that, quite confident that we won't face a problem.

    link
And then here's a different take from Jim Willie, who tends to go out on a limb a lot, but who for me has a more realistic notion of what the dollar means in today's world, and where it's headed.

    USDollar Death Dance
    Jim Willie CB
    October 23, 2008

    The USDollar rally in the last several weeks has been remarkable. At closer examination, it highly resembles a spurt prior to death. Imagine an old man who just had a heart attack, lost feeling in certain body parts, his mind not working right, plenty of nonsense gibberish coming from his mouth, and now he is dancing hard on some last gasps. The vast liquidation movement is akin to the old man going through an embalming process while dancing atop the tables at the funeral parlor, as bidding proceeds for his cadaver. Are Americans last to realize the financial structure destruction means the USEconomy does not enter a recession, but rather a bizarre unprecedented disintegration? It seems so. The liquidation of speculative positions, the massive de-leveraging, the payouts of defaulted bonds, these events are the opposite of developments toward revival or resuscitation, like business investment!! Liquidation is the exact opposite of investment, and precedes job cuts, not job creation.

    (...)

    Financial markets, including the USDollar, have yet to factor in the deep USEconomic recession. The USDollar rally flies in the face of deteriorating fundamentals. See job cut announcements at Caterpillar, Merrill Lynch, General Motors, Chrysler, several Wall Street firms including Goldman Sachs today. Weekly jobless claims at close to half a million per week, equal to peak during the unrecognized 2001 recession. See the UMichigan consumer sentiment, Philly Fed index, Empire Fed index, leading economic indicators, durable goods orders, on and on. Retail sales, the backbone of the backwards USEconomy, are plummeting. That is, the plummet is before inflation price adjustments. Car sales are plummeting also.

    Exports are to be worse from the higher US$ exchange rate on the table, combined with slower foreign economies. The improved export trade has been a big boast from the lunatics running the asylum. The USEconomy is accelerating in its decline, certain to produce a recession and huge USGovt deficits. That deficit is likely to at least double and possible quadruple next year. USTreasury Bond issuance cannot conceivably finance all, or at least half, of the commitments. The printing press will do the rest, which will cut down the US$ valuation. The USDollar decline lies ahead, when the distortions slow or come to an end. Gold will soar on the other side of this liquidation.

    An extreme backlash attack is coming against the USDollar. Rising import prices in foreign economies have already caused alarm. Foreigners will soon attack the US$ in a matter of time, using heavy US$-based reserves. Their banking sectors are in disarray, primarily because they are intimately tied to the US$ and USTBonds. The process has begun with Brazil and Mexico in Latin America, to use their strong reserves and sell into this queer US$ strength. That is what reserves are for. The process will spread to other nations.

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Postby ninakat » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:25 am

anothershamus wrote:THEY DON'T KNOW S#!T


That about sums it up. But we're still left with trying to figure out which makes the most sense (or not, depending on how much crap we can wade through). I'm still of the opinion that a dollar collapse is inevitable, as is the case with all fiat currencies not backed by gold, silver, or something else of value.

How the U.S. can just keep borrowing as if it had a limitless credit card is beyond me. Makes no sense. The timing of the crash and its speed seem to be the only real questions left, from my vantage point. But at the rate the economic crisis is unfolding, I expect we'll know something more definitive before too long (by early 2009).
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Postby anothershamus » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:42 am

ninakat wrote;

But we're still left with trying to figure out which makes the most sense (or not


Like Shakespear wrote: the Plays the thing. NO ONE WILL KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL IT HAPPENS. Pretenders ALL. THE MARKET WILL TELL US WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN,

WHEN IT HAPPENS.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:13 am

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Galbraith may have a point about the lack of a world reserve currency other than the dollar. The euro alone may simply not yet be able to sustain a flood of capital looking to it merely as a reserve, as opposed as a way to invest in Europe. However, I don't see that this solves the crisis of dollar-denominated debt or the imbalance caused by a world economy centered so completely on the US. And I think the EU and Asians agree that there is a problem to be solved there. So when they meet next week, they may well start trying to set up a common viable alternative.

Then again, as shamus says, that might not matter. The markets will let us know as all these debts and derivatives unwind just what is left standing at the end. Hedge funds are next, and consumer credit is on its way.

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Postby stefano » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:16 am

A lot of dollar-denominated funds are selling equities all over the world (mainly to local investors in all these markets), forcing the custodian banks to buy dollars to settle the trades. That should contribute.

I don't know about that 'oil/commodities are priced in dollars' argument, you can buy dollars at any time of the day if you need them, you don't need to hold dollars.
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