Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

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Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:59 pm

Apparently writer and blooger Luke Ford developed a niche for himself by blogging about porn gossip. I came across this person's name accidentally, find him interesting. Here's the wiki on Mr. Ford:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Ford

Luke Ford (born May 28, 1966, in Kurri Kurri, New South Wales, Australia) is a writer, blogger, and former pornography gossip columnist known for his salacious disclosures and traditionalist Jewish religious views.
Personal

Ford moved to California in 1977. His father, Desmond Ford, was a noted Seventh-day Adventist theologian, and was the center of a theological controversy in the late 1970s and 80s. His mother, Gwen Ford, died in March 1970, of bone cancer, when Ford was three years old.

After leaving the Seventh-day Adventist Church, Ford explored atheism. Ford states that he was converted through the Los Angeles Beis Din[1] and he is very active in attacking and criticising Jews and Rabbis in his Blog.[2] Ford says he observes the Jewish Sabbath, attends synagogue regularly, and keeps kosher. He has been asked to leave at least two different congregations.[3] Ford wrote about his religious ostracism in XXX-Communicated: A Rebel Without a Shul.

Ford has suffered from chronic fatigue syndrome, which kept him bedridden for a time in his twenties.[4]
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Professional

Ford studied economics at UCLA but did not graduate. Instead, he worked as an investigative journalist for southern California newspapers and at a radio station. In 1995, he became intrigued with the lack of journalistic coverage of the pornography industry, and started to write a book, which would become A History of X.

In January 1996, after researching porn for a year, Ford wrote, produced, directed, and acted in What Women Want, a pornographic video, not related to the Mel Gibson movie of the same name. It was not a success. [5]

In 1997, Ford started his pornography gossip web site, LukeFord.com. It was criticised for being badly organized, but contained a large amount of information; Ford would take a tape recorder with him nearly wherever he went, and transcribed many conversations.

Ford exposed a 1998 HIV outbreak which infected an indeterminate number of actors (including Tricia Devereaux, Brooke Ashley and Kimberly Jade) who had been working with actor Marc Wallice.[4] Ashley eventually sued Wallice, claiming that she had been infected on the set of The World’s Biggest Anal Gangbang.

Discretion has never been a Ford strong suit. In his own words "I'm not a businessman. I'm not a conventional journalist. I'm a story teller/entertainer/lunatic."[6] Prominent porn stars such as Asia Carrera and Brandy Alexandre have criticised errors and inaccuracy on his site. But its impact was undeniable, and he was referred to as the Matt Drudge of porn.[4]

Ford was sued for defamation multiple times by people in the porn industry, including by RJB Telecom, whom he (as well as the Federal Trade Commission) accused of dishonesty; Christi Lake, whom he mislabeled in a bestiality photo; and Laurie Holmes (widow of John Holmes), for accusations of prostitution on the set. Ford has said that he has been sued five times to date: one suit was dropped, another was thrown out, another was settled when his insurance company paid $100,000, and the last two were settled when he removed some of his statements without making a retraction.[7] Wired magazine called him "The Most Hated Man in Web Porn".[6] He was even physically assaulted by Mike Albo, an editor for Hustler.[8]

In August 2001, after urgings of his rabbi, Ford sold his main web site, LukeFord.com, to Netvideogirls.com for $25,000, and created lukeford.net, which avoided pornography, and focused more on Jewish issues. One year later, after nearly going broke, he returned to his pornographic roots by starting lukeisback.com, with many of his old archives.[9] On October 23, 2007, Ford announced he had sold lukeisback.com and its contents for an undisclosed sum to an undisclosed party.[10] "Any writing I do on the porn industry from now on will be for publications with no porn advertising," Ford said. Those owners (whose names have not been divulged) ran the site until June 2008 but walked away from the site saying that writing the site was too much work for the money earned.[11] It was sold a second time, with the new owner being long-time industry observer Cindy Loftus.[12]

The Lukeford.com site is currently headed by Taylor Rain with most day to day blogging done by former owner Scott Fayner. It publishes gossip that is friendlier to the porn industry.

AVN Hall of Famer Bill Margold has said that "Luke Ford is exactly what we deserve... Luke's not really a blogger as much as is an Internet journalist".[9]
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:04 pm

Check out the list of people he's profiled (Go to link to read profiles). Not all the names have to do with porn. See any familiar names there?

http://yourmoralleader.blogspot.com/200 ... files.html

Huma Abedin
Pearl Abraham
Rachel Abramowitz
Yosef Abramowitz
Evgeny Afineevsky
Moustapha Akkad
Elisa Albert
Amy Alkon
Julia Allison
Mary Aloe
Steve Almond
Chaim Amalek
Jonathan Ames
Mark Amin
Allison Anders
Brian C. Anderson
Mark Archer
Gustavo Arellano
Brad Artson
Ted Ashley
Michael Aushenker
Shalom Auslander
Ariel Avrech
John Badham
Ronald Bailey
Barnet Bain
Jeff Ballabon
Dean Baquet
Karen Barber
Brian Barnes
Peter Bart
Ron Bass
Luna Batzri
Suzanne Bauman
Skip Bayless
Warren Beatty
Marty Beckerman
Frank Beddor
Ross Grayson Bell
Lisa Belzberg
Aimee Bender
Karen Bender
Lawrence Bender
Stuart Benjamin
A.J. Benza
Michael Berenbaum
Sally Berkovic
Richard Berman
Saul Berman
Judd Bernard
Alain Bernheim
Harry Bernsen
Jay Bernstein
James Besser
RiShawn Biddle
Steve Bing
Roger Birnbaum
Peter Biskind
Aaron Biston
Daniel Blatt
Yosef Blau
Susan Block
Stephen Bloom
Robert Boden
Uwe Boll
Abraham Borenstein
Shmuley Boteach
Sandee Brawarsky
Marian Brayton
Andrew Breitbart
Larry Brezner
David Brown
Jerry Bruckheimer
Jon Brown
Kobe Bryant
Ephraim Bryks
Melvin Jules Bukiet
John Bunzel
Al Burton
Anita Busch
Rachel Kramer Bussel
Roy Campanella Jr
Stephen J. Cannell
Mark Canton
Shlomo Carlebach
Rob Carliner
Anne Carlucci
Phyllis Carlyle
David Carradine
Susan Cartsonis
Danny Casolaro
Chris Castallo
Tony Castro
Damian Chapa
Debra Martin Chase
Stanley Chase
Lewis Chesler
Lionel Chetwynd
Jacques Chrysochoos
Victoria Clarke
Jill Clayburgh
Benyamin Cohen
Debra Nussbaum Cohen
Larry Cohler-Esses
Robert Cohn
Paul Colichman
Harry Colomby
Martha Coolidge
John Connolly
Christopher Coppola
Stuart Cornfeld
Ann Coulter
Rob Cowan
Carl Craig
Michael Crichton
Mark Cromer
H.M. Coakley
Ellis Cohen
Paul Colichman
J.D. Considine
Dick Cook
Paul Cowan
Mark Damon
Lorena David
Pierre David
Hadley Davis
Ivor Davis
Dino De Laurentiis
Deborah Del Prete
Dave Deutsch
Robb Foreman Dew
Lorenzo di Bonaventura
Denise di Novi
Moshe Diamant
Brian Doherty
Matt Dorf
Elliot Dorff
Dennis Doty
Ari Goes Down
Mark Dratch
Cecile du Bois
Clint Eastwood
Mark Ebner
Debra Eckerling
Ami Eden
Dawn Eden
Moshe Eisemann
Eliezer Eisgrau
Hillard Elkins
Claudia Eller
Emily
Randall Emmett
Nathan Englander
Nora Ephron
Rob Eshman
Joe Eszterhas
Robert Evans
Marcia Falk
Steven Feder
Charles Fenyvesi
Bruce Ferber
Michelle Ferre
Anabel Ferreira
Ted Field
Wendy Finerman
Eric Fingerhut
Nikki Finke
Amnon Finkelstein
Stanley Fish
Lucy Fisher
Sue Fishkoff
Mike Fleiss
April Florio
Humberto Fontova
David Foster
Samuel Freedman
Joel Freeman
Stephen Fried
Jon Friedman
Josh Alan Friedman
Robert I. Friedman
David Friendly
Jonathan Friendly
Mark Frost
Marc Frydman
Michael Fumento
Neal Gabler
Mordecai Gafni
Evan Gahr
Sandy Gallin
Bill Gates
David Geffen
Robert Geisler
Moish Geller
Nick Gillespie
Roger Gimbel
Nice Jewish Girl
Yoram Globus
Don Glut
Jim Goad
Gary Goetzman
Menahem Golan
Dore Gold
J.J. Goldberg
Phillip Goldfine
Ari Goldman
Patrick Goldstein
Rebecca Goldstein
Yael Goldstein
Steve Golin
Rob Goodman
Danny Gordis
Dan Gordon
Michael Gordon
Lori Gottlieb
Laurie Graff
William Grange
Brian Grazer
Michael Grecco
Lauren Grodstein
Peter Guber
Ted Gunderson
Phil Gurin
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John Hancock
Chris Hanley
Victor Davis Hanson
Jeffrey Hart
Mary Hart
Kelly Hartog
Ehud Havazelet
Patricia Heaton
Amy Heckerling
Samuel Heilman
Julia Heiman
Lisa Henson
Gershon Hepner
Bruce Herschensohn
Jef Hickey
Debra Hill
James Hirsch
Malcolm Hoenlein
David Hoffman
Wayne Hoffman
Charles D. Holland
Dara Horn
Alan Horowitz
Inkyo Volt Hwang
Erica Huggins
Richard Hull
Gale Anne Hurd
Peter Hyams
John W. Hyde
Diane Sillan Isaacs
Stanley Isaacs
Rodger Jacobs
Rabbi Steven Jacobs
Annie Jacobsen
Harry Jakobs
Judith James
Roland Joffe
Charles Johnson
Anderson Jones
Aphrodite Jones
Steven A. Jones
Molly Jong-Fast
Barry Josephson
Rabbi Meir Kahane
Rob Kahane
Stan Kamen
Dana Evan Kaplan
Kim Kardashian
Marlise Kast
Elliott Kastner
Kenneth Kaufman
Mickey Kaus
Burt Kearns
Jesse Kellerman
EJ Kessler
Michael Kinsley
Binnie Kirshenbaum
Amy Klein
Joseph A. Klein
Marc S. Klein
David Klinghoffer
Fred Kuehnert
Lajos Koltai
Frank Konigsberg
Chuck Konzelman
Arnold Kopelson
David Korda
Robert Kosberg
Jim Kouf
Humphry Knipe
Harry Knowles
Scott Kroopf
David Lancaster
Seth Landau
John Langley
Baruch Lanner
Sherry Lansing
Abe Lastfogel
Andrew Lazar
Shira Lazar
Leah
Norman Lear
Caroline Leavitt
Hyapatia Lee
Gerald Leider
Lisa Lenkiewicz
Avi Lerner
Mark Lester
Franklin Lett
Steven Joel Levin
Emmanuel Levinas
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Michael Levine
Gene Lichtenstein
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Si Litvinoff
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Lyra
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Suzy Mandel
Zalman Manela
Chris Mankiewicz
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Jo-Ann Mapson
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Allison Margolin
Jonathan Mark
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Mitchel Matovich
Melanie Mayron
Richard Mazda
Lori McCreary
Dennis McDougal
Ismail Merchant
Kelly McGillis
Doug McHenry
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Rabbi Yaakov Menken
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Bryan Micon
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Andre Morgan
William Morris
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Moxie
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Joe Roth
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Tom Rothman
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Zalman Schachter-Shalomi
Edgar J. Scherick
Sue Schmidt
Gabriel Schoenfeld
Nick Schou
Dahlia Schweitzer
Peter Schweizer
Dwight Schweitzer
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Steven Seagal
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Chaim Seidler-Feller
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Laurie Gwen Shapiro
Rochelle Shapiro
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Fred Siegel
Robert Siegel
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T.J. Simers
Bryan Singer
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Sheri Singer
Anant Singh
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:35 pm

The likes of Clint Eastwood, Adam Parfrey, Anthony Pellicano, AJ Benza....and Ted Gunderson make the above list of people Ford's written about? But Nancy Jo Sales (of the Theresa Duncan saga) and Jewel DeNyle don't? Hmmmmm....
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby Nordic » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:10 pm

Whodda thunk you could catch AIDS from being in something called The World’s Biggest Anal Gangbang?

Tragic.
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby IanEye » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:42 pm

Ford studied economics at UCLA but did not graduate. Instead, he worked as an investigative journalist for southern California newspapers and at a radio station. In 1995, he became intrigued with the lack of journalistic coverage of the pornography industry, and started to write a book, which would become A History of X.


i first heard about Luke on the internet on a newsgroup post that said he was related to the Fords of the Ford Modeling Agency.
However, i don't believe that is accurate. but ever since, the two are interwined for me.
so, cheers to Hugh....

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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:08 am

i first heard about Luke on the internet on a newsgroup post that said he was related to the Fords of the Ford Modeling Agency.


Well, i suppose it's always possible, but he was born in Australia.
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:58 pm

"I learned from my Adventist upbringing that the biggest sins were sexual."

~Luke Ford
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:05 pm

Those Seventh Day Adventists are kind of interesting. I'm beginning to wonder how much the various religions are contributing to conspiracy culture, right along with Larouche.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-da ... schatology

Conspiracy and the "New World Order"


"....Eschatological expectations have prompted some radical and historic Adventists to practise so-called “newspaper exegesis”—an obsession with current events, particularly in the sphere of global politics—in a manner similar to many Christian futurists and dispensationalists. Illinois pastor A. Jan Marcussen has predicted the imminent rise of a global church-state alliance with the Papacy and U.S. Government as key players, along with other bodies such as the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund. The resulting New World Order will, according to these theorists, precipitate the final events of history: the “sealing” of Sabbath-keepers, a universal Sunday-law, the seven last plagues and Armageddon.[34] When questioned by the Catholic Herald, a representative of the Adventist church in North America stated that Marcussen's views are "extreme" and not supported by the Adventist church.[35]

Adventists were generally critical of secret societies such as Freemasonry, and some Adventists have continued this skepticism through conspiracy theories.[36] Nathaniel D. Faulkhead was one of the better known Adventist Freemasons. He was challenged by Ellen White.[37] At least two authors have claimed William Miller had Freemasonry connections.[38] One critic of Adventism has described the existence of an obelisk at the burial site of James and Ellen White as "quite unsettling", arguing pagan and Masonic connotations.[39]

More recently, speakers such as Walter Veith promote numerous conspiracy theories in addition to traditional Adventist teaching. While popular amongst a certain segment of lay people, they operate through independent ministries rather than the official church.[40] Another claim, made by a small number, is that Jesuit priests are infiltrating the Adventist church in order to manipulate it.[41]

Walter C. Utt was skeptical of conspiracy theories.[42] He claimed symbols are nothing sinister in and of themselves. He affirmed Masons on some points, although does not advocate joining them.[43] He cautioned against errors in interpreting history – using an "a priori grab-bag approach" to ransack points to support one's own presuppositions. Rather their setting must be considered, causation must be demonstrated, and the credibility of sources tested. He downplays the historical influence of groups called "Illuminati", seeing many beliefs as common to their social environment. Claims should at least be presented as speculation, and unproved. He believes, "Overmuch concern with such matters would seem to distract from the centrality of Jesus Christ in our message."[44] Others are concerned about the "breakdown of trust", and near-anarchism of some.[45] Reinder Bruinsma wrote, "The recipe seems to be: You take a few undisputed facts; you then add a large number of unknown facts that are extracted from obscure sources no one can check, and which are at most only partly true; and you mix all this until you have a powerful concoction for the sensation-hungry consumer." He claims, "The recipe is as successful as it is dangerous. It results in fear. It polarizes churches. It cultivates suspicion to church leadership.[...] But, most serious of all: it eclipses the good news of the message of the gospel'"
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:09 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-da ... schatology

"....Roman Catholicism

The rigorous anti-Catholic campaigns undertaken by certain independent ministries has been a cause of embarrassment for the Adventist leadership, which in 1997 released a conciliatory statement “How Seventh-day Adventists View Roman Catholicism”.[50]

Modern “mainstream” Adventist literature continues to express the traditional teaching that Roman Catholicism, in coalition with other churches, will perpetrate religious oppression during the final end time crisis, and that the Sabbath will be a key issue. However, the specific details are less often spelled out, and there is generally less emphasis given to such controversial concepts as “Babylon” and the Sunday law.
Seventh-day Adventists are convinced of the validity of our prophetic views, according to which humanity now lives close to the end of time. Adventists believe, on the basis of biblical predictions, that just prior to the second coming of Christ this earth will experience a period of unprecedented turmoil, with the seventh-day Sabbath as a focal point. In that context, we expect that world religions--including the major Christian bodies as key players--will align themselves with the forces in opposition to God and to the Sabbath. Once again the union of church and state will result in widespread religious oppression.

– Seventh-day Adventists View Roman Catholicism (official statement)

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666: Vicarius Filii Dei
For more details on this topic, see Vicarius Filii Dei#Seventh-day Adventist claims.

Historically, most Adventists interpreted the number of the beast, 666, as corresponding to the title "Vicarius Filii Dei" (Latin, vicar of the son of God), which they claimed as a title of the pope. The chief proponent of this view was Uriah Smith, and he was followed by J. N. Andrews and others. They observed that the letters in that Latin title that corresponded to their Roman numeric value, when added together, equal the number 666.

However the source document for this title, the Donation of Constantine, is recognised by historians as a forgery. The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary states, "...no proof for [Uriah Smith's] assertion that these words appear on the papal crown has been discovered".[51] It also states, "Whether the inscription Vicarius Filii Dei appears on the tiara or the mitre is really beside the point. The title is admittedly applied to the pope, and that is sufficient for the purposes of prophecy.[52] The Adult Sabbath School Lesson for April–June 2002, principally authored by Ángel Rodríguez, cast doubt on the early interpretation, instead advocating a symbolic interpretation of "intensified rebellion, six used three times, and total independence from God".[53] Samuele Bacchiocchi stated, "the identification of the number 666 with VICARIUS FILII DEI cannot be exegetically supported by Revelation 13:18"[54]

While modern Adventist scholars generally reject linking 666 with "Vicarius Filii Dei", mainstream Adventism does still interpret the beast as the papacy; hence maintains that 666 does apply to the papacy but not via this title...."
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:15 pm

Heh, same wiki link:

General criticism

Clifford Goldstein, himself holding to conservative Adventist views, nonetheless wrote, "I have never in my life seen so many nut cases as I have in this church. I mean, where in the world do we get them from? Are they attracted to us, because of our end-time scenario, or do we create them? I think it's a little of both."[61] He continues, "What I've wondered, too, is — Do other churches have them as well? I would tend to think so, though again I don't really know other churches. I just know ours, and over the years in it I have met some of the weirdest and most bizarre folks you could imagine."[61] Also, "Or my all-time favorite: the guy who told me that the Jesuits had poisoned church leaders (knocked them off at potlucks) and replaced them with exact doubles who then worked to undermine the church."
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:20 pm

The wiki on Luke's father, Desmond:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Ford
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:38 pm

An Adventist's theory on conspiracy theories:

http://endrtimes.blogspot.com/2010/01/s ... ories.html
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:17 pm

For someone who profiled Ted Gunderson and Danny Casolaro among all his other glitzier profiles, this seems like an odd write-up on TD/JB and Frank Morales:

http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=1884

Or maybe it's Luke's way of asking if it actually was suicide?
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:33 pm

The Seventh Day Adventist Church has an interesting relationship to covert happenings itself. In the early Cold War they channelled many hundreds/thousands of young men into servitude as human guinea pigs for biomedical experiments conducted by the U.S. Military, all under the banner of Conscientious Objection.

CIA/Pentagon-linked neuroscientist Ross Adey did years and years of secretive research on electromagnetic fields and the human brain, whilst employed at the SDA-linked Loma Linda University in Southern California.

And it may be that the SDA Church provided cover to U.S. operatives under the guise of their far-flung missionary projects. This last possibility is a conjecture, which I can't prove, the other two are well-established facts.

So, this may possibly have some bearing on Luke Ford's weird stance- not sure...
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Re: Anybody ever hear of a Luke Ford?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:55 am

Pardon the disjointed nature of this. There is a movie called the Nostradamus Kid.

Its about an autralian political writer, bob ellis, (sort of - its semi autobiographical fiction).

Its set round here, and I saw it with some people who knew the history of 7th day Adventism in this part of the world. It was only 18 months after Waco too.

Now apparantly there is a direct link from a mad 7th day Adventist heretic who is referred to in that film (there's a character based on him) to the Branch dravidians or whatever they are called. Koresh's mob from Waco.

Apparantly that guy's (in the film) ideas inspired a group that had a schism that formed another group that the BDs split from.

I know thats a pretty rambling incoherent description so I'll clarify if you need me too. To the best of my ability.

Anyway Luke Ford is from Northern NSW, same as me, but his part of the world is about 400km south of here. Its only just in "Northern NSW" but its close enough that there is some cross polarisation (I was gonna say pollination but ... polarisation is actually more appropriate,) between the fundies, including 7th dayers.

Dunno whether there is anything in all that beyond a game of six degree's but you never know.
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