Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby guruilla » Thu May 17, 2018 1:29 pm

What an odd conflation of ideas/beliefs

It's not possible to avoid mind-matter interaction - I don't know where you got the notion I was against it!

However if you mean using will to manipulate physical reality, yes I am by and large against it, at least for myself and those around me, and insofar as I am convinced that it has unseen side effects (just like pharma meds) that almost invariably tend to cause problems larger and stickier than the ones they solve.

This may not apply to more primitive cultures with a less developed or trauma-generated ego perspective on things, i.e., who are more naturally in harmony with life and death realities and not (so) hard-wired to seek power, status, and control as an unconscious defense against reality.

People who practice rituals to get what they want tend to have all manner of misfortune manifesting later on down the track; why? because if you try and harness the power of your own unconscious and place it in service of the ego, it is like bringing a gorilla home and getting it to move rocks around in your garden. Next thing you know it is running amok through your living quarters and a simple No isn't going to suffice.

BTW, POI was written before my sojourn into trad. metaphysics and discovery of Upton, so I doubt you'll find what you're dreading there.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby identity » Thu May 17, 2018 8:00 pm

^
Your very way of framing it as "using will to manipulate physical reality" (btw, isn't that what I do when I lift a fork to my mouth?) would suggest that your acquaintance with practitioners of MMI is limited mainly to those emerging from (UK-based?) Crowleyesque/Thelemite/Chaos Magic milieus, whose goals often do seemingly tend to center around becoming more affluent and getting laid (or at least gaining access to better drugs...), rather than those unassuming, non-publicity-seeking individuals who utilize the principles of MMI to effect healing cures of one kind or another, typically for free or by donation.

BTW, POI was written before my sojourn into trad. metaphysics and discovery of Upton, so I doubt you'll find what you're dreading there.


That's reassuring, though there's still the matter of the use of Freudian—and, to a somewhat lesser extent, Jungian—concepts to deal with...
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby guruilla » Thu May 17, 2018 9:23 pm

I suppose every identity has its limits

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby identity » Fri May 18, 2018 1:33 am

guruilla » Thu May 17, 2018 5:23 pm wrote:I suppose every identity has its limits

;)


One might even say that each and every identification is nothing but limitation...
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby guruilla » Fri May 18, 2018 2:44 pm

Yes

I didnt address this before:

identity » Thu May 17, 2018 8:00 pm wrote:^
your acquaintance with practitioners of MMI is limited mainly to those emerging from (UK-based?) Crowleyesque/Thelemite/Chaos Magic milieus, whose goals often do seemingly tend to center around becoming more affluent and getting laid (or at least gaining access to better drugs...), rather than those unassuming, non-publicity-seeking individuals who utilize the principles of MMI to effect healing cures of one kind or another, typically for free or by donation..

What black vs white magick? :farmer:

The issue (for me) isn't about whether the goals are seemingly noble or base, but how congruent the conscious intentions are with the unconscious motivations. Usually the correlation is pretty slim.

But sure, it's a spectrum; I have used a few psychic healers in my time; the question is, how do they get their results (not a question that really demands our consideration when we raise a fork to our mouths)?

Since we don't actually know (any more than we know who or what is generating alien abduction experiences), nor do we know what sort of strings may be attached or costs may be incurred.

Prisoner of Infinity isn't an anti-psychism tract; it presents a body of evidence that places psychism in a new context; it's up to individual readers/practitioners to decide what course of action to take based on this evidence.

My primary realization, however, is that psychic phenomena, experience, or potential does not necessarily equate with spirituality in any way at all. The psychic realm is no more inherently spiritual than the physical realm is. Both can be manipulated and counterfeited; but since both the psychic realm and the spiritual dimensions are invisible to our physical senses, we conflate the two and so become easy marks for anyone who has developed some psychic abilities or familiarity (who may also be marks), or for any ectoplasmic predators or parasites that reside there (Jinns, demons, etc).

This is all fairly basic, traditional stuff; but you would never know it, with all the current "spiritual" fads in energy healing, divination, shamanic ritual, etc, etc.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby guruilla » Fri May 18, 2018 5:30 pm

Le-Vender Strikes Back
Some of you may be aware that I will be giving a presentation at this year’s Contact in the Desert on the subject of the conspiracy theories swirling around the group founded by Tom DeLonge: the To The Stars Academy (TTSA).

The members of TTSA and its associated consultants and colleagues have been very reserved when it comes to responding to some of the critiques aimed at them from the UFO “community” and I have followed their lead so far.

But as someone who was involved with this project since the very beginning – from about November of 2014 – I have been amused at times (and frustrated at others) at the misinformation and disinformation spread by its self-proclaimed opponents.

When you were there, and a witness to the events in question, and then have to listen to people who were not there insisting on their version of the “truth”, it gets pretty surreal. One would think that Ufologists in particular would be sensitive when it comes to attacking people on the basis of what they feel is a competing belief system, but I guess irony is not their strong suit.

My interest, though, is less in the actual falsehoods themselves (and the individuals who disseminate them) than it is in the phenomenon of the UFO conspiracy theory subculture, and the fact that Ufology feels threatened by the acceptance of the reality of UFOs now going mainstream, and by the support given to this effort by scientists, engineers, and military and intelligence professionals.

(Okay, now that I think about it, that does sound a little too reasonable and measured…)

So, actually, what I am going to do is tell it like it is. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free … bitches!

In addition to my presentation on TTSA, I will be giving a workshop on “alien communication” from the point of view of the authors of the medieval grimoires. If you’ve ever wondered why L. Ron Hubbard started talking about space aliens even though he started his cultish career as a ceremonial magician, this is the workshop for you. (If you ever wondered why Joseph Smith, Jr. did the same thing a century earlier, come on down!)

You want to be prepared when the new Jack Parsons television series drops this June, don’t you? Unlike those who provide all sorts of strategies for sitting out in the desert and waiting for aliens to show up, I will be explaining how other cultures handled the same situation in a more proactive way.

In related news, my novel Dunwich has been published. It is the sequel to The Lovecraft Code, and it goes in a new direction. It amplifies the themes of the first novel, but takes them into some dangerous areas. Alien abduction and hybrids; genetic modification; pagan pedophilia; piracy on the high seas; the rather bizarre evocation of a goddess; and a human trafficking ring involving the use of children for ritual magic on a military base. All that, and the Necronomicon, too. What’s not to like? It’s a novel replete with easter eggs and sly allusions, and anyone who has followed this field for any length of time will be amused, intrigued, and ultimately informed. Pizzagate? Seriously? Learn something about real occultism and how it works, and then tell me your pizza theories. Dunwich is all about this subject. Think Dennis Wheately meets Donald Keyhoe in an underground brothel in Cambodia during Tet … and their bicycles broke.

In addition, the second volume of Sekret Machines (subtitled Man) has been completed and is being fact-checked by some experts before we send it off to the printers. A.J. Hartley’s fiction sequel will be available this Fall; my own Sekret Machines: Man shortly thereafter.

So if you were wondering where I was and why I have been silent, now you know.

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby elfismiles » Sat May 19, 2018 9:49 am

Peter Levenda wrote:

So, actually, what I am going to do is tell it like it is. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free … bitches!


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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby identity » Sat May 19, 2018 8:28 pm

The issue (for me) isn't about whether the goals are seemingly noble or base, but how congruent the conscious intentions are with the unconscious motivations. Usually the correlation is pretty slim.

You do mean, "Usually the correlation (in my own case) is pretty slim," right? Or are you actually saying that you are an authority on the (presumed) unconscious motivations of millions of human beings? You may certainly have found reason to question the motivations of a small number of persons of your acquaintance, but that may simply be saying more about the company you keep and/or the unfortunate social circumstances in which you have happened to find yourself than about the "unconscious motivations" of people (across thousands of years and thousands of miles as well as thousands of cultural and subcultural backgrounds and affiliations) whom you have never met.

But sure, it's a spectrum; I have used a few psychic healers in my time; the question is, how do they get their results (not a question that really demands our consideration when we raise a fork to our mouths)?

Interestingly, I have heard the same argument from Fundamentalist Xians, who will readily agree that such and such "paranormal" phenomenon is undoubtedly "real"; the question is, WHO is behind it? They, like you, certainly seem convinced, but why should their closed-minded conviction be allowed to shut off all open-minded investigation of the phenomena in question by those who are by no means convinced?

My primary realization, however, is that psychic phenomena, experience, or potential does not necessarily equate with spirituality in any way at all.

Well, obviously.

This is all fairly basic, traditional stuff; but you would never know it, with all the current "spiritual" fads in energy healing, divination, shamanic ritual, etc, etc.

You mean, like the latest (insert unique branding adjective) "Enlightenment" weekend seminar or month-long residential retreat? ;)

You appear to quote Upton approvingly in the following (from your Traditional Metaphysics and the True Religious - Encountering Charles Upton):

Nonetheless, the psychic plane is not exclusively demonic, otherwise we could not receive divine guidance in dreams, nor could physical miracles occur, since every influence from the spiritual realm must pass through the psychic realm before it can come into material reality. But because this is so, it is very difficult to tell whether a psychic or anomalous physical manifestation originates on the psychic or the spiritual plane. Nonetheless there is a profound difference in level between an act of magic (whether for the purpose of healing or harming) which emanates from the psychic plane, and a miracle originating on the Spiritual plane. Psychic or magical or shamanic practices are “technologies,” instances of willful intervention by human beings or psychic entities. Miracles are manifestations of the Spirit, the eternal truth and love of God, on the psychic and material levels.


I assume the divine-in-origin and therefore legitimate miracles he refers to are ones that would have manifested within the Abrahamic/Jewish-Xian-Muslim tradition? If so, this is rather ironic given the divisiveness, hatred, violence, murder, etc., for which this supposedly holy tradition is responsible, and the good case that can be made that, in fact, demons/entities—sometimes seemingly related to what we would now call UFOs—have themselves manifested the lights/voices/thoughts/prophecies/etc. experienced as emanating from a divine source (in order to deceive humanity and to sow the seeds of strife and discord in order to further their own nefarious agenda?).

At the very least, one would—I would think—want to distance oneself from such a tradition where the unconscious motivations/unknown influences are questionable indeed, and where the actual consequences/results/outcomes here on Earth (despite the pretty talk of angels, heaven, a compassionate God, eternal truth, miracles, etc.) betray what might easily be construed as having a so-called demonic or satanic origin.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

Postby elfismiles » Sat May 19, 2018 11:25 pm

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