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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby alloneword » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:53 am

Thanks for those, Elvis. :)

Savage (NYT) wrote: In January 2017, the F.B.I. interviewed Mr. Steele’s own primary source, and he contradicted what Mr. Steele had written in the dossier.

The source for Mr. Steele may, of course, have been lying.


Do we have any indication of who that source might have been?
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:43 am

Elvis » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:29 am wrote:Some good calling-out on Twitter. @Techno Fog is posting screenshots of MSM hacks' past Tweets in case they start deleting them. :lol:

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1 ... 7417286656
Techno Fog
@Techno_Fog

WaPo reporter @shaneharris
has been lying to the public this whole time.


Shane Harris
@shaneharris
· Jan 11, 2018
Replying to @jancisvaynrchuk and @KimStrassel

Yes. I am telling you the dossier was not used as the basis for a FISA warrant on Carter Page.


3:56 PM · Dec 10, 2019·

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Techno Fog
@Techno_Fog
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Dec 10
The notoriously inaccurate NBC News correspondent @KenDilanianNBC


"Trump is wrong about Carter Page, the dossier and the FISA warrant"

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Go to link for full Tweets & exchanges but here's a few more examples:

Reuters DC National Security Correspondent @JonathanLanday

"Dossier played minor role in Page FISA warrant."

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NY Times Opinion Contributor @willwilkinson


"Dossier info wasn't grounds for issuing FISA warrant"

Most of the dossier "has been validated"



CNN Anchor @jimsciutto
gets it wrong.

The FBI would "corroborate info in dossier on its own before using such intel to justify the FISA warrant"


The list goes on...

CNN Legal Analyst @renato_mariotti

Fusion Natasha - @NatashaBertrand (MSNBC)

DOJ/DHS Correspondent @JuliaEAinsley @NBCNews

CNN Senior Justice Correspondent @evanperez

CNN "Reporter" @ddale8

@washingtonpost blogger @JRubinBlogger

@just_security Co-editor-in-chief @rgoodlaw

@NormEisen "Senior Fellow" & Obama WH Ethics Czar @BrookingsGov


...all got it wrong and pushed the propaganda on us. They will probably get promotions and pay raises.


Right, because they didn't 'get it wrong' , but rather, they were simply doing what they get paid to do: Mis/disinform. There's no 'reporting error' here.

(Stating what's already understood by you and most of RI)
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:39 pm

Crosspost.....

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Elvis » Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:49 pm



For realz? Good. There goes their CIA funding. :lol:
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:23 pm

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:20 pm

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Never knew until now, but the original pilot for The Rachel Maddow Show originally ran on Canadian TV roundabouts 1995.


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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:52 am

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Grizzly » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:36 pm

^^^

Killer bees! LMAO!! Thank you, mentalgongfu2, that made my night.. :thumbsup :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:04 pm

I suppose this goes here, though it could also work in "Sanders is seriously dangerous" or elsewhere.

(Stop me! Grrrr!)

Zephyr Teachout's column was not only right but mild. Read it:

‘Middle Class’ Joe Biden has a corruption problem – it makes him a weak candidate

Zephyr Teachout

We don’t have to choose Biden’s way, which would give Trump a perfect foil

Mon 20 Jan 2020

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nald-trump


Biden's pay-to-play dealings typify the systemic political corruption under capitalism. It doesn't matter that it's legal. Who legalized every species of conflict-of-interest, political bribery, nepotism? Oh, right, forty years of Biden and the Bipartisans. (Of course the history is longer than this but there's no doubt on how they stood politically in deregulating the flow and reach of money.)

It doesn't matter how much worse Trump is! Of course he's worse! Figure it out, Trump has a base. He plays their Leader. They follow him! This is not a joke, it really is the time of death coming.

You get one chance to stop the beast. There is no safe option or assured route. Biden's right-wing politics, at best, will leave the un-Trumpian majority apathetic and demobilized. His legal family enrichment and his decades of loyal service to the corporations will be fat and easy targets.

Do you think Trump's predatory instincts were in error, when he tried to sic Ukraine back on the Burisma case? Obviously this will stick to Joe, don't delude yourself with the corporate media talk about how Hunter's payoffs are "appropriate." The more Biden points to Trumpian corruption in response, the more they look the same regardless of some important underlying differences. And Joe's lost whatever game he had, this ain't 2015 no more. Look at all his meltdowns -- how the hell is he going to withstand what's coming? Is this really the show you want to watch unfold for the next 10 months?

In short, Sanders should never have apologized for what Teachout wrote. (See, https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/us/p ... biden.html) She is among the leading legal experts on these issues and a thoroughly upstanding, righteous person. (For me it was a pleasure meeing her, that one time.)

In response to those bewailing Teachout's column, all that Sanders needed to say was that she is a law professor and she writes what she likes. Apologizing for her is probably a tactical move, yes. Look like a nice guy. "Unity." Teachout doesn't seem to mind, she just reiterated her endorsement of Sanders.

But this is no time to apologize for straight and honest talk. Not from the guy who just told the assembled New York Times editorial board, to their faces, that they are sad creatures, waiting for birthday cards from people who know they are empty suits, full of shit. There is no going back.

The "centrist" campaigns, the party establishment, the corporate media, the Old Republican "Never-Trump" war criminals who have seized land among the Democrats, and the Clinton-gang punditry will continue to manufacture bogus, irrelevant, and outrageous attacks. Every single day. They are following the same dirty strategy of personal slander that was thrown against Corbyn in the UK. They will show no limits, no shame, no concern whatsoever for any interest other than the narrow aim of destroying Sanders and the new left movement. They will tell you the Jewish socialist from Brooklyn is anti-Semitic. They are hostiles. If it means losing to Trump, they don't care. Some people prefer to watch the world burn.

The right way to deal with this rhetorical aggression is to take no shit. Hit back. Keep it brief, but no apologies. Stick to real politics. Win the damn votes. Once these forces are pushed back, it will be on them to decide just how much further they intend to help Trump's reelection. Fuck them. Of course Sanders should not go as far as Tulsi Gabbard, but her lawsuit in response to Clinton, who literally accused her of treason, should serve as the guiding star in how to deal with slander from hostiles.

Sanders is rising at the right time. Unlike with Corbyn, who was battered by "his own side" for five years, the time-frame for establishing slanders against him is short.

Is it me, or do most Americans seem to have stopped caring about the daily corporate media bullshit? Are they perhaps suffering from bullshit overload? Either way, it's not sticking like it used to. My evidence is that after three years of the most fanatically repetitive top-down propaganda campaign I've ever seen in this country, most people care less than ever about the manufactured Russian threat. Quick, who's Oleg Deripaska?

Some of you do know the answers to that last one, at least sort of. You may have convinced yourself this name's more important and consequential to the course of U.S. politics or the actions of the Trump regime than Prince, DeVos, Walton, Thiel and Bezos combined. You exceptions are plentiful among my highly educated and generally sharp friends: a minority, but well ensconced in your filter bubbles, you are probably disillusioned with what a dud the #Russiagate main narrative proved to be. But now you cling to its offspring: the impeachment strategy that may as well have been designed to lose.

Are you actually deluding yourselves that John Fucking Murder-Man Bolton, who delivers keynote speeches at conventions of literal terrorist organizations (MEK), and who might dance in public if nuclear weapons were dropped on a few million Iranians, is going to help unseat Trump? Maybe, if you promise to drop that nuke for him.

It makes me sad to see you this way.

Are you taking inspiration from Schiff's unhinged war talk? The way he dehumanizes Russians, just like Trump dehumanizes Muslims and Mexicans (and everyone else)? Schiff is channeling no lesser criminal than G. W. Bush himself, repeating the slogan of "we must fight them over there" -- what the fuck!? -- so "we don't fight them over here."

Please figure out that this does not damage Trump. Reaction is not the answer for reaction. Inciting more war in Ukraine is not your national security!

My friends, there is still hope for you. I'm not a liberal, I'm a leftist. But in what universe is this your liberalism? Rediscover your principles.

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Harvey » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:52 pm

Grizzly » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:36 am wrote:^^^

Killer bees! LMAO!! Thank you, mentalgongfu2, that made my night.. :thumbsup :lol: :lol:


@mentalgongfu2, yes! Cheers!
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And be loved
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:57 am

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This could go in a different thread - on impeachment, or censorship practics - but to me the impeachment story is the new season of #Russiagate.

As you probably know, during the proceedings last night (30 Jan), senators were allowed to ask questions only by submitting them in writing to Roberts in advance. Rand Paul submitted a question which he used the name (known for months) of the alleged White House whistleblower from the CIA, although phrased such that it did not identify this person, Eric Ciaramella, as the whistleblower. Roberts refused to read it. Paul went out to the press and read his question, and then tweeted the text, thus "revealing" the alleged whistleblower's name.

In an FB discussion, someone asked who Paul had named. Remember, this was already online at Paul's twitter feed, and still is. I responded as in the screenshot. Next morning, FB had banned me for 24 hours, for facilitating or abetting crime!

Paul's feed:

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The FB notice I received, reproducing my apparently offensive comment, which again was in response to someone asking what the name was and where they could find Paul's comment:

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby RocketMan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:26 am

WHAAAT? Outrageous. As the facade of late capitalism finally crumbles to reveal the authoritarianism beyond, so do the social media giants, having first captured the time, effort, social networks and personal data of their users, now begin to use their levers in a more and more over way, it seems. JFC.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:30 pm

In the latest turn, I tried liking a comment. That worked. So I posted a response. That also worked. I got a reply, confirming that others could see it. So I posted a new test post of my own. That also worked.

In other words, this 24-hour ban seems to have not actually been effected. Or was it that they reversed it following my complaint? I doubt that. I figure one employed monkey pushes a button sending that message automatically, another one pushes another button that renders it irrelevant. Or something. Or the monkeys are algorithms with conflicting coding.

I expect the key is not to activate a horde of live idiots who make actual complaints. So, for example, don't say mean things about poor little Israel.

But this is noted as hair-raising, wrong, and outrageous. I mean, the part that's totally unacceptable and a serious violation, even a kind of endangerment, is the wording: "coordinating harm and promoting crime." Get the fuck out of here!!!

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:28 pm

Washington Post: US officials told Sanders that Russia is trying to help his campaign
By Paul LeBlanc, CNN

Updated 5:20 PM ET, Fri February 21, 2020

Washington (CNN) US officials have told Sen. Bernie Sanders that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign as part of their efforts to meddle with the Democratic primary contest, people familiar with the matter told The Washington Post.

It remains unclear how Russia is attempting to help Sanders, the paper reported.

News of the briefing to Sanders -- who is topping the Democratic field in polls after strong showings in Iowa and New Hampshire -- comes after the intelligence community's top election security official delivered a briefing to lawmakers last week warning them that intelligence officials believe Russia is taking steps to help President Donald Trump win, three sources familiar with the matter have told CNN.

Sanders said in a statement Friday that "Unlike Donald Trump, I do not consider Vladimir Putin a good friend."

"He is an autocratic thug who is attempting to destroy democracy and crush dissent in Russia. Let's be clear, the Russians want to undermine American democracy by dividing us up and, unlike the current president, I stand firmly against their efforts, and any other foreign power that wants to interfere in our election," he said.
Sanders added: "I don't care, frankly, who Putin wants to be president. My message to Putin is clear: stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do."

Asked at Wednesday night's debate about online aggression from some of his supporters, Sanders replied, "All of us remember 2016, and what we remember is efforts by Russians and others to try to interfere in our elections and divide us up. I'm not saying that's happening, but it would not shock me."

US intelligence officials have continued to consistently warn about Russia's ongoing efforts to interfere in American elections, noting threats to both the 2018 midterms and the 2020 presidential race.

This is a breaking story and will be updated.

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:03 pm

Jeff Wells wrote:
This is what Bernie's vetting by the national security state looks like.

This puts Bernie in a real bind. He's gone along with the broad strokes of Russiagate, albeit less enthusiastically than every other candidate except Tulsi. And it's unconscionable now in Democratic circles to suggest the intelligence community could have malicious intent. The Forever Russiagate voter has been told by what it regards as unimpeachable anonymous sources not to vote for Trump or Sanders.

It's pretty crazy the spooks just do this brazenly now and it's not called gross interference.




Michael Tracey wrote:Bernie is now allegedly receiving 'Russian assistance' according to unnamed 'US officials,' but of course the nature of that 'assistance' is a total mystery. Russiagate was a giant fraud and the chickens are coming home to roost for you braindead 'PROGRESSIVES' who championed it
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1230973046896373762



me myself and I replying to Mr. Jeff Wells of Facebook wrote:
1. Maybe not so bad? Maybe just the zombie operation of a perpetual campaign? After all, it's been CIA and Maddowverse canon since 2016 that them thar Roosians helped Bernie to go and divide US. And it's what, already 2 weeks since the last titanic failure of the them-thar-Roosians narrative, which is an eternity, so time for a reboot. Lots of jobs involved here!

2. Maybe a good sign? A product of success? Sanders keeps rising (as one would expect if one were merely a political scientist) and the Bloomberg option just imploded. So now the spooks come in to do some direct terrorizing?

3. Of course, #2 is also what we in this biz call a bad sign. Right. Shit.
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