The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama?

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The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama?

Postby Grizzly » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:34 am

Why The "Abject Silence" From The Left About Child Migrant Detentions Under Obama?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-19/why-werent-liberals-furious-about-child-migrant-detentions-under-obama
Unless you've completely avoided media for the past two or three days, you’re no doubt aware by now that the controversy over the Trump administration’s decision to separate migrant children from their detained parents after they’ve been caught illegally crossing the border has exploded since ProPublica published a recording of children who’d been captured by ICE crying out for their parents, and the agency allowed a handful of reporters on a supervised visit of the facility where many of the children are housed.


However, the liberals who have been responded with a non-stop barrage of social media attacks on the President and those who voted for him, have apparently forgot that the US has been housing migrant minors for years - and that a sizable increase in the minor population held in US facilities occurred under Nobel Peace Prize winner President Obama. To drive this point home, Breitbart reporter Brandon Darby reminded us of this fact by tweeting photos from his 2014 visit to one such migrant detention center (as most should recognize, Obama was president at the time).

As the photos reveal, the "cages" that have become a locus of liberal fury are just like the ones used during the Obama-era. And yet, Darby noted that his original story about the holding centers was met with "abject silence" from the left. As anybody who's been paying attention to the data would know, border crossings have only recently started to pick back up after an unprecedented drop last year, meaning Trump’s deportation numbers haven’t risen back to the highs reached under his predecessor, who carried out a record 97,000 criminal prosecutions for illegal border crossings in 2013, according to the Daily Caller.

Some of the photos shared by Darby can be seen below. Notice they all have two things in common: They’re virtually indistinguishable from the photos of the detention centers being run by ICE today. Yet they were all taken during the Obama era.

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"Abject Silence" From The Notional Left

Postby Harvey » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:40 am

Because there is no left in American politics, as anyone who lives in a socialist country would quickly inform you.
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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:39 am

ZH and DC are echo chambers who have never seen fit to disassociate themselves from the racist, the virulently anti-socialist, the objectivist and literally cruel leanings of *some/most* of their readership. I am prepared to believe anything when it comes to glaring hypocrisies between either of these figureheads being more alike than different. However, one figurehead is actively changing the fabric of day to day life for the "underrepresented" and gloats about the hatred and animus set into motion. Obama did not do this. I'm a fucking American sadly and I live here. I do not like the tack this culture I live in is taking. The figurehead of Obama never once made me truly fear for minorities, immigrants, women, LGBT, liberals, professors, leftish (even centrist) judges, the EPA, Dept of Education, FDA, National Parks and really overall goodwill. Even under Bush, much of this was taboo. Appearances were kept. Were they only appearances? Possibly! But this shit is existentially affecting most everyone and it is exacting unknown lasting psychological effects for possibly generations to come.

As to the photos of children in cages being taken in one term or another term, it matters not. It is happening and if we could dig up all the shit I've written all throughout the Clinton years, Bush years and Obama years, one thing remains, racism persists and will always be reacted to the same way (by me). Now it appears to be growing and becoming more strident. I don't give a fuck if a particular photo was taken in 2000, 2008 or 2018. It is a child, new to planet Earth under duress with no measuring stick.

Furthermore, this isn't a threat of any kind of "mod action" but I suggest that if you want to post proofs of things from Zerohedge or Daily Caller here, you apply equal action on their forums festooned with hatred.
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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby elfismiles » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:22 am

WAIT - WHAT? Brandon Darby writes for Breitbart? Since when?

THE Brandon Darby? FBI informant Brandon Darby?

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Austin Anarchist Details Life as FBI Target
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FBI Informant Plotted to Firebomb Brave New Books
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At one time, Austinite Brandon Darby was regarded as a legendary activist, a revolutionary, working as an active community organizer for the Common Ground Relief organization in the post-Katrina New Orleans. Nowadays, Darby is considered by many activists to be a turncoat, a traitor to the cause, probably due to the fact that Darby decided to be an informant for the FBI. Flyers have been seen in coffeehouses across Austin reading “Wanted: Brandon Darby An Informant Rat Loose in Austin.” The vitriol that seems to chase Darby to this day is due to the fact that two young activists David McKay and Bradley Crowder have been sentenced to a combined six years in prison for possessing several Molotov cocktails that were to be used during demonstrations at the 2008 Republican National Convention and were convicted in large part through the testimony of Brandon Darby. The possession of the cocktails is not in question, but what seems peculiar is why Darby an older, seasoned activist would agree to take part in a plan to firebomb a flock of police cars at the RNC, according to the FBI, and not just persuade the younger protégés to avoid instigating violent action? According to the defendants, Darby had encouraged the violence and had provoked the younger activists to take this direction, an allegation Darby denies. Darby admits that he was asked by the bureau to be the “eyes and ears" to monitor the small, loose-knit group of activists that included McKay. Jeffrey DeGree, the defense attorney for Mckay is quoted as saying it was more accurate that "he wasn't the eyes and ears. He was the mouth — a violent, firebomb-obsessed mouth."

More recently, one of Darby’s closest friends, Scott Crow, a fellow anarchist activist and member of Common Ground, confessed that Brandon Darby had a long history of trying to recruit activists for what the two men were eventually convicted of. Crow’s admission, that in 2006 Brandon tried to recruit Crow and others “to firebomb a bookstore in Austin called Brave New Books,” was discovered on the Internet site PMPress.org. This plan was hatched at a time when Darby was already in the employ of the Feds according to FBI documents. Crow says, “that for years he [Darby] advocated ‘blowing things up’ and later using arson.” Scott was unsure that Darby had ever committed any acts of terrorism but according to him, Brandon was intent “on getting others to do it.” So according to Scott Crow’s testimony, a known FBI informant with a history for provoking violent action had his sights set on Brave New Books. Scott Crow was so adamant about Darby’s plan to bomb Brave New Books that he was willing to testify under oath in David McKay’s second trial to show that Darby had a history for initiating terrorist actions which would have given the defense the precedent needed to prove that Darby was in fact the instigator and not the innocent spectator he claimed he was. It also speaks to the fact that Scott Crow was very likely telling the truth about the plot to firebomb the bookstore, due to his willingness to testify under oath.


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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:19 pm

The American House of Saud, one of the best books in print about Saudi operations in the United States is written by an Israeli intelligence / propaganda asset -- same with one of the best books about the failures of US counterintelligence, Bill Gertz's hilarious Enemies.

"Pure journalism" is mythology. It's all activism. (Twitter has made this perfectly, painfully obvious in recent years.)

So while sites like Zero Hedge or The Daily Caller are problematic, perhaps the most problematic aspect is this: they do break actual stories and those stories get assiduously ignored by more "serious" outlets, like the New York Times, Washington Post, Mother Jones, etc. All of these outlets are owned, and owned for a reason.

Like, who else was going to report on Planned Parenthood selling medical samples of fetal tissue but anti-abortion conservatives? Journalism is motivated by political goals. As narratives balkanize and proliferate, it's only going to be more important to keep a wide array of channels open and engage with sources you find odious.
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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:39 pm

^^^^^^^^^^
Astute observations, WRex. Good to see you opining here (however fleeting).
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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby Harvey » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:04 pm

Wombat, yes.
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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby Elvis » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:28 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:"Pure journalism" is mythology. It's all activism. (Twitter has made this perfectly, painfully obvious in recent years.)

So while sites like Zero Hedge or The Daily Caller are problematic, perhaps the most problematic aspect is this: they do break actual stories and those stories get assiduously ignored by more "serious" outlets, like the New York Times, Washington Post, Mother Jones, etc. All of these outlets are owned, and owned for a reason.



This is very true. I'm reminded of Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby rag the Spotlight (I still have the newspapers), which reported the "Iran-Contra" crimes & conspiracies at least two years before MSM made it "news." I laughed at the "revelations" because I already knew all about it.

Yes, I regularly picked up a copy of the Spotlight because it was always fascinating; it was easy enough to pick out the nuggets from the bullshit, and it did keep me apprised of that particular white-power/antisemitic/right-libertarian segment's activities. This was the era that culminated in the 'armed takeover' of Liberty Lobby offices—headshaking hilarity!
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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby Jerky » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:42 am

Elvis, are you sure about Willis Carto's newsletter being the one to break Iran/Contra? If I recall correctly there were TWO "Spotlight" papers at the time, one having no affiliation with Holocaust denial/Jew hate. Also, once John Kerry held his Contra/CIA hearings in 85, that story basically broke itself. One of his little-remembered accomplishments that he, for some reason, chose not to focus on when he ran for President.

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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby Jerky » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:51 am

Also, Grizzly, Daily Caller and Zero Hedge aren't just biased, they're flat-out lying propaganda vectors, and nothing more. Any story they've "broken" has pretty much always turned out to be either entirely false or spun so incredibly out of all proportion as to be unusable by any fair-minded individual.

i'd have to say that originating with Zero Hedge is an absolutely acceptable reason to discount a story, prima facie. Daily Caller, maybe a little less, because it has the tiniest, most tangential relationship to actual professional journalism, but really it isn't much better. This whole "Obama was worse/just as bad" crap is exactly that: CRAP. Esplecially in this particular context.

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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby Elvis » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:19 pm

Jerky wrote:Elvis, are you sure about Willis Carto's newsletter being the one to break Iran/Contra? If I recall correctly there were TWO "Spotlight" papers at the time, one having no affiliation with Holocaust denial/Jew hate. Also, once John Kerry held his Contra/CIA hearings in 85, that story basically broke itself.


Yes, I'm sure it was Carto's paper, although they were probably not the very first to cover it. I'll dig out the old papers to check the date and coverage. As I recall, they had their facts right on the story, which at the time was unknown or unspoken in MSM.
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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby Jerky » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:21 pm

I appreciate your efforts, Elvis. And we should also remember that it was our old pal, the recently deceased Robert Parry, later of Consortium News (formerly of PBS and others) who FIRST broke the story and sparked Senator Kerry's investigations in the first place!

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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:08 am

Just to clarify on facts, which is not apologizing for anyone or anything:

The children in cages in 2014 were unaccompanied minors apprehended at the border. This continues. This has always been happening.

The policy of automatically separating children from parents of families apprehended at the border is new and dates to April 2018. It is the brainchild of Miller and Kelly. Or was, if it is really ending insofar as the children will now be caged with their parents.

I do not approve of the lack of outrage about these policies until now. I do approve of the outrage about the separation policy, and can only hope it extends to the barbarity more generally. I do not dismiss it as "partisan," and to do so is... partisan.

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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby liminalOyster » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:06 pm

JackRiddler » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:08 am wrote:Just to clarify on facts, which is not apologizing for anyone or anything:

The children in cages in 2014 were unaccompanied minors apprehended at the border. This continues. This has always been happening.

The policy of automatically separating children from parents of families apprehended at the border is new and dates to April 2018. It is the brainchild of Miller and Kelly. Or was, if it is really ending insofar as the children will now be caged with their parents.

I do not approve of the lack of outrage about these policies until now. I do approve of the outrage about the separation policy, and can only hope it extends to the barbarity more generally. I do not dismiss it as "partisan," and to do so is... partisan.

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I agree with and appreciate your moral clarity. But would you not agree that it's important to inextricably hold the two at once? The horror of the family separations is just the final cheerleader at the top of the pyramid.
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Re: The "Abject Silence" From The Left;Detention Under Obama

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:33 pm

I wouldn't call it a cheerleader and sure hope it's an opening. Abolition of ICE is suddenly on the table as a conceivable.

AFAIK and can remember, some facts about Iran-Contra: The "Iran" side was broken by a Lebanese newspaper. The "Contra" side was in effect broken by Eugene Hasenfus, the pilot who crashed, and from there it unraveled. The 1980 October Surprise I don't remember, but it was in the air from the start. The contra-cocaine part also from 1982, I remember reading rumors in left-alt press and finding it hard to believe! I have never heard about Willis Carto's involvement in any of these breaks and doubt it sincerely, but to nail it down chronologically we'd have to do some research.
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