Every day I read about the US government murdering more innocent Afghanis, the Chinese government killing more of its citizens, Israel murdering more innocent Palestinians...
yet why is it that it's stories like that get to me.
I'd say the top 5 stories since 2002 that have disturbed me the most involve
dismemberment/cannibalism, like that German cannibal serial killer whose victims were "willing" and from an underground website.
One atomic particle of total species-wide insanity
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Bus rider recalls another gruesome incident 
Matthew Pearson, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Saturday, August 02, 2008
It's no wonder Karina Hébert rents a car now whenever she travels to Montreal.
The Ottawa public servant was a frequent Greyhound rider until a gruesome incident in late January changed all that.
Her story came to light yesterday in the aftermath of the stabbing and decapitation of 22-year-old Tim McLean.
Ms. Hébert says she was travelling through a snowstorm on a mid-afternoon Greyhound bus from Montreal to Ottawa on Jan. 22 when a man who had locked himself in the washroom began using a razor blade to peel off his own scalp.
Ms. Hébert said she had noticed the scruffy man in the bus station, fidgeting and talking to himself. When she boarded the bus, she saw him sitting in the back row, adjacent to the washroom.
The man later barricaded himself in the washroom for more than an hour, forcing the driver to pull off Highway 417 onto Highway 138, east of Casselman.
Ms. Hébert said the driver tried to talk the man into coming out of the washroom, but at first the man refused.
That's when Ms. Hébert said something shocking happened.
"The guy opened the door and his face was completely, completely covered in blood. It was kind of like a horror movie. The only thing that stood out was the whites of his eyes," she said.
The man was holding his still-attached scalp above his head, which she later learned from police he had begun cutting away at the back of his head below the crown.
When the bus driver told the man he was going to call for help, Ms. Hébert said the man re-entered the washroom and locked the door.
The driver then told the 17 remaining passengers to get off the bus.
When Ontario Provincial Police officers arrived, Ms. Hébert said several boarded the bus and dismantled the door after the man refused to come out.
The man was also Tasered.
Horrified passengers stood by as police dragged him out of the bus. He was covered in blood and his pants were around his ankles, Ms. Hébert said.
A police officer later told Ms. Hébert that by the time officers got the man out of the washroom, he had cut all the way around his scalp and down to the bridge of his nose or immediately below.
Still, she said the man did not make a sound and remained conscious.
The bus was towed away and, after a three-hour delay, passengers were back on the road.
When they arrived in Ottawa, Ms. Hébert said Greyhound refunded riders the equivalent of a one-way, Montreal-to-Ottawa fare.
Ms. Hébert said she didn't complain to the bus company at the time, out of respect for the man and his family.
But after reading the company's statements this week following the killing near Brandon, Man., she decided to speak out.
"They say it's a rare occasion, well, it's not. Things like that obviously happen more often than we like to think."
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http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/new ... 43ccb00fa2
Matthew Pearson, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Saturday, August 02, 2008
It's no wonder Karina Hébert rents a car now whenever she travels to Montreal.
The Ottawa public servant was a frequent Greyhound rider until a gruesome incident in late January changed all that.
Her story came to light yesterday in the aftermath of the stabbing and decapitation of 22-year-old Tim McLean.
Ms. Hébert says she was travelling through a snowstorm on a mid-afternoon Greyhound bus from Montreal to Ottawa on Jan. 22 when a man who had locked himself in the washroom began using a razor blade to peel off his own scalp.
Ms. Hébert said she had noticed the scruffy man in the bus station, fidgeting and talking to himself. When she boarded the bus, she saw him sitting in the back row, adjacent to the washroom.
The man later barricaded himself in the washroom for more than an hour, forcing the driver to pull off Highway 417 onto Highway 138, east of Casselman.
Ms. Hébert said the driver tried to talk the man into coming out of the washroom, but at first the man refused.
That's when Ms. Hébert said something shocking happened.
"The guy opened the door and his face was completely, completely covered in blood. It was kind of like a horror movie. The only thing that stood out was the whites of his eyes," she said.
The man was holding his still-attached scalp above his head, which she later learned from police he had begun cutting away at the back of his head below the crown.
When the bus driver told the man he was going to call for help, Ms. Hébert said the man re-entered the washroom and locked the door.
The driver then told the 17 remaining passengers to get off the bus.
When Ontario Provincial Police officers arrived, Ms. Hébert said several boarded the bus and dismantled the door after the man refused to come out.
The man was also Tasered.
Horrified passengers stood by as police dragged him out of the bus. He was covered in blood and his pants were around his ankles, Ms. Hébert said.
A police officer later told Ms. Hébert that by the time officers got the man out of the washroom, he had cut all the way around his scalp and down to the bridge of his nose or immediately below.
Still, she said the man did not make a sound and remained conscious.
The bus was towed away and, after a three-hour delay, passengers were back on the road.
When they arrived in Ottawa, Ms. Hébert said Greyhound refunded riders the equivalent of a one-way, Montreal-to-Ottawa fare.
Ms. Hébert said she didn't complain to the bus company at the time, out of respect for the man and his family.
But after reading the company's statements this week following the killing near Brandon, Man., she decided to speak out.
"They say it's a rare occasion, well, it's not. Things like that obviously happen more often than we like to think."
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Greyhounds are the Midnight meat Train on wheels; and creepy as fuck. I had my own scary, fucked up experience on one when I was in my teens(two experiences actually, but the other one's maybe not relevant here). Had to hurt a man sitting in the row in front of us who was repeatedly trying to sexually assault my girlfriend right in front of me until I dealt with him very forcefully.
I'd NEVER put my wife and/or kids on one. Something strange happens to some people when they get one them; personalities change and distort. Maybe its the extended anonymity of a long trip with other strangers, but its like a personality disintegration comes into play with the right kind of vulnerable psyche.
I'd NEVER put my wife and/or kids on one. Something strange happens to some people when they get one them; personalities change and distort. Maybe its the extended anonymity of a long trip with other strangers, but its like a personality disintegration comes into play with the right kind of vulnerable psyche.
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Sounds like the US of A really is some sort of hellhole. Or Canada.
Here, the worst that happens to you on long distance buses is reckless or pissed of bus drivers who keep you on the edge of your seat all the way...
Night buses in the capital, well, you wanna see drunk and doped out idiots all in the same comfy bus, thats the right place...
Here, the worst that happens to you on long distance buses is reckless or pissed of bus drivers who keep you on the edge of your seat all the way...
Night buses in the capital, well, you wanna see drunk and doped out idiots all in the same comfy bus, thats the right place...
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Suspect's boss in total shock
Aug 2
The man accused of butchering and beheading a Greyhound bus seat-mate was a polite and punctual Edmonton newspaper carrier who recently asked for time off to attend a job interview in Winnipeg, says his boss.
Vincent Augert, a newspaper distribution supervisor, said he last spoke to accused killer Vince Weiguang Li in mid-July when he requested days off work. He delivered papers for about eight months.
Li, charged yesterday with second-degree murder, continued delivering papers until Monday.
"I just had shivers," said Augert of the horrific Wednesday night killing. "And I still do. I cannot believe this.
"He's a nice guy."
Augert said Li had been regarded as a quiet and reliable carrier with a superior work ethic.
"He did a really good job for us," he said. "He picked up his papers on time and (there were) never any problems.
"This freaked me out more than anything."
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Augert said after Li delivered newspapers in the Clairview area Monday, "he fell off the face of the Earth.
"I was thinking something was wrong. It just wasn't in his character not to deliver papers."
He didn't even collect his July paycheque, his former boss said.
Augert was shocked after reading of his employee's arrest for the gruesome bus slaying.
"I just can't believe it," he said. "You hear these stories, but when you find out it's somebody you know, it's totally mind-boggling."
Augert was told Li was going to Winnipeg for a job interview, but he said Li's wife was left with a different impression.
She thought he'd vanished from the home to attend an out-of-town family emergency and she hadn't heard from him in days, he said.
Before leaving, Li left his cellphone with his wife, who lived with him in an apartment near 105 Avenue and 90 Street.
His cellphone voice mail message offered evidence of Li's polite nature.
"Thank you," it says. "You have a wonderful day."
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/ ... 6-sun.html
Aug 2
The man accused of butchering and beheading a Greyhound bus seat-mate was a polite and punctual Edmonton newspaper carrier who recently asked for time off to attend a job interview in Winnipeg, says his boss.
Vincent Augert, a newspaper distribution supervisor, said he last spoke to accused killer Vince Weiguang Li in mid-July when he requested days off work. He delivered papers for about eight months.
Li, charged yesterday with second-degree murder, continued delivering papers until Monday.
"I just had shivers," said Augert of the horrific Wednesday night killing. "And I still do. I cannot believe this.
"He's a nice guy."
Augert said Li had been regarded as a quiet and reliable carrier with a superior work ethic.
"He did a really good job for us," he said. "He picked up his papers on time and (there were) never any problems.
"This freaked me out more than anything."
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Augert said after Li delivered newspapers in the Clairview area Monday, "he fell off the face of the Earth.
"I was thinking something was wrong. It just wasn't in his character not to deliver papers."
He didn't even collect his July paycheque, his former boss said.
Augert was shocked after reading of his employee's arrest for the gruesome bus slaying.
"I just can't believe it," he said. "You hear these stories, but when you find out it's somebody you know, it's totally mind-boggling."
Augert was told Li was going to Winnipeg for a job interview, but he said Li's wife was left with a different impression.
She thought he'd vanished from the home to attend an out-of-town family emergency and she hadn't heard from him in days, he said.
Before leaving, Li left his cellphone with his wife, who lived with him in an apartment near 105 Avenue and 90 Street.
His cellphone voice mail message offered evidence of Li's polite nature.
"Thank you," it says. "You have a wonderful day."
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And from "Beheader 'a nice guy'", the victim remembered:
Mayme Martin, 19, who worked the carnival circuit with McLean, said he "was such a sweetheart. I cannot think of anybody who would not miss him.
"To anybody who knew him, he was that bright, bubbly, happy guy. He was always out for fun. I already miss him."
McLean and Martin worked together touring the continent with North American Midway Entertainment. She said she couldn't believe the news when she first heard McLean was dead.
"I was like, I hope to God there's another Tim McLean," she said, sobbing softly.
"He was a sweetheart. He was tiny. We all called him Tiny Tim. He picked on me because I was smaller than him. But it was all in good fun. He'd never even hurt a fly. He wouldn't even kill an ant if it was crawling up his leg.
"He was that guy who all the girls said he was their best friend. And it was true because he was such a sweetheart. You couldn't think of him as anything but a friend. I can't think of anyone that didn't like him."
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/s ... 0b17598b27
Mayme Martin, 19, who worked the carnival circuit with McLean, said he "was such a sweetheart. I cannot think of anybody who would not miss him.
"To anybody who knew him, he was that bright, bubbly, happy guy. He was always out for fun. I already miss him."
McLean and Martin worked together touring the continent with North American Midway Entertainment. She said she couldn't believe the news when she first heard McLean was dead.
"I was like, I hope to God there's another Tim McLean," she said, sobbing softly.
"He was a sweetheart. He was tiny. We all called him Tiny Tim. He picked on me because I was smaller than him. But it was all in good fun. He'd never even hurt a fly. He wouldn't even kill an ant if it was crawling up his leg.
"He was that guy who all the girls said he was their best friend. And it was true because he was such a sweetheart. You couldn't think of him as anything but a friend. I can't think of anyone that didn't like him."
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Well apparently there's a police recording, where they discuss that the guy actually was eating the victim's flesh:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080802/ap_on_re_ca/canada_bus_stabbing;_ylt=ApsYznN9d5airJyZitVhc8.s0NUE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080802/ap_on_re_ca/canada_bus_stabbing;_ylt=ApsYznN9d5airJyZitVhc8.s0NUE
TORONTO - A police officer at the scene of a fatal stabbing on a Canadian bus reported seeing the attacker hacking off pieces of the victim's body and eating them, according to a police tape leaked on the Internet Saturday.
In the tape of radio transmissions, officers referred to the attacker, who also beheaded the victim, as "Badger." They said he was armed with a knife and scissors and was "defiling the body."
"Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it," an officer with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said on the tape.
The RCMP described the tapes as "operational police communications and, as such, are not meant for public consumption." The tape was posted on YouTube among other Web sites.
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Brighid_Moon wrote:I suck. I have dial-up and can't load videos over 2 minutes long without wanting to put my fist through the monitor.
well I've got great broadband, but no way in hell am i going to listen to that. there's nothing there anyone needs to know that can't be had from a transcript (if even that).
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This story creeps me out worse than anything I've heard since the Paul Bernardo/Karla Homolko story. Not sure why. We certainly have no shortage of stories about evil.
The more I read about this, the more I keep coming back to my initial impression that this was a demonic, and perhaps a full-fledged Satanic attack. They're rare, but they exist.
I predict we will discover that drugs and psychiatric illness have nothing to do with it. I guess it will be good to discover I'm wrong about that, if that's what happens.
I'm also very curious to discover more about the killer. I wonder if he is a "Uighar," one of the Asiatic (Chinese but non-Han) Muslims from far western China. They are among the most despised and oppressed people on earth. I employed a Chinese lawyer at one point, and he used to regularly spit out the term "Uighar" (pronounced "wee-ger") as if he were a U.S. southern cracker saying "nigger." They are hated and feared and despised and murdered en masse by the Chinese government. The U.S. government has tortured quite a few of them at Gitmo, innocent refugees fleeing to the west and sucked up into the U.S. imperial maw.
None of that is an excuse for anything. But possession is not like getting taken over by a drug. It is a seduction, a subtle process of persuasian.
I say demon, not drugs or mental illness. We'll see.
The more I read about this, the more I keep coming back to my initial impression that this was a demonic, and perhaps a full-fledged Satanic attack. They're rare, but they exist.
I predict we will discover that drugs and psychiatric illness have nothing to do with it. I guess it will be good to discover I'm wrong about that, if that's what happens.
I'm also very curious to discover more about the killer. I wonder if he is a "Uighar," one of the Asiatic (Chinese but non-Han) Muslims from far western China. They are among the most despised and oppressed people on earth. I employed a Chinese lawyer at one point, and he used to regularly spit out the term "Uighar" (pronounced "wee-ger") as if he were a U.S. southern cracker saying "nigger." They are hated and feared and despised and murdered en masse by the Chinese government. The U.S. government has tortured quite a few of them at Gitmo, innocent refugees fleeing to the west and sucked up into the U.S. imperial maw.
None of that is an excuse for anything. But possession is not like getting taken over by a drug. It is a seduction, a subtle process of persuasian.
I say demon, not drugs or mental illness. We'll see.
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