FourthBase » Tue May 24, 2016 6:12 am wrote:How would you ordinarily feel about a presidential candidate who says that the Iraq invasion was based on lies, that the Saudi links to 9/11 should be made public, and that the electoral system is rigged and for sale?
If it's Trump, I'd feel it was obvious that he is a lot more serious about rapidly deporting 11 million people with all the jackbooting that entails; instituting a religious interrogation for entry to the US; holding quasi-fascist political pageants; and getting bellicose with new enemies. All are definitional to his program, chosen persona and rhetoric. And he's doubtless more serious about advantaging a slightly different mix of the super-rich. (Never mind the wall, though some Friends-from-Jersey contractors will profit for the thing that will never actually be built.) As for his opportunistic "left" moves, there is by comparison no basis for believing he'd order an investigation of the Iraq WMD lies, reduce the military budget or end covert interventionism (he has indicated the opposite and anyway how is HE going to challenge the MIC?), break with Saudi (now that he's got funding from Adelson and meeting with Kissinger?) or -- ha ha ha -- pursue rigorous electoral/campaign finance/lobbying/revolving door reform. On that last issue, it will surely be "left to the states," along with health care and abortion rights.
Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous
Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 11:14 am
by Luther Blissett
Okay, yeah, if Mena comes up, then I would go from like 99% displeased to about 90% displeased, maybe less.
FourthBase » Tue May 24, 2016 6:12 am wrote:How would you ordinarily feel about a presidential candidate who says that the Iraq invasion was based on lies, that the Saudi links to 9/11 should be made public, and that the electoral system is rigged and for sale?
If it's Trump, I'd feel it was obvious that he is a lot more serious about rapidly deporting 11 million people with all the jackbooting that entails; instituting a religious interrogation for entry to the US; holding quasi-fascist political pageants; and getting bellicose with new enemies. All are definitional to his program, chosen persona and rhetoric. And he's doubtless more serious about advantaging a slightly different mix of the super-rich. (Never mind the wall, though some Friends-from-Jersey contractors will profit for the thing that will never actually be built.) As for his opportunistic "left" moves, there is by comparison no basis for believing he'd order an investigation of the Iraq WMD lies, reduce the military budget or end covert interventionism (he has indicated the opposite and anyway how is HE going to challenge the MIC?), break with Saudi (now that he's got funding from Adelson and meeting with Kissinger?) or -- ha ha ha -- pursue rigorous electoral/campaign finance/lobbying/revolving door reform. On that last issue, it will surely be "left to the states," along with health care and abortion rights.
There are a lot of columnists that are saying that, if Trump originally was just creating a far right populist "character" to get cheap GOP votes, he almost certainly has now bought into his own Andy Kauffman character.
I recall both the movies Bob Roberts and Man of the Year. A day after winning he told Lester Holt in a sit down interview he was serious about the deportation and Muslim ban.
Now he's saying climate change is a hoax, he'd de-regulate wall street, he's got Cheney's support, he's meeting with Kissinger. Funny how Alex Jones has become a quasi unofficial 24 hour Trump network with Fox, with Roger Stone on near daily saying he feeds Trump all the best conspiracy stuff. I say funny, as while Jones is loving all the anti Mexican/Muslim, extreme gun stance Trump is espousing...Trump says he wants to bring back extreme torture, mass surveilance, ect
Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous
Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 1:27 pm
by Freitag
CNN Trump interview 2007 "The war is a disaster", "[Condoleeza Rice] never makes a deal", talks about veterans, doubts Bush reads a book a week
When Corporal Ryan Stickney and 200 of his fellow Marines prepared to return to their families after Operation Desert Storm in 1991, a logistics error forced them to turn to a surprising source for a ride home: Donald J. Trump.
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"The way the story was told to us was that Mr. Trump found out about it and sent the airline down to take care of us. And that’s all we knew….I remember asking 'Who is Donald Trump?' I truly didn't know anything about him," the former Marine said.
Corporal Stickney snapped a photo to remember the day by:
Great, maybe in the future all political campaigns can consist completely of memes...
I think it is obvious that Trump throws out the conspiracy jive just as a part of his desperate need for attention but it will be interesting to see how much of it he gets pressed on moving forward. I have a feeling that he will be backing down on a lot of it, claiming it was exaggeration for the "art of the deal", once the voices of "reason" start whispering in his ear. The main problem will be trying to figure out which quotes to pull out and focus on, since he has made so many out and out lies...
