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So, let me see how much of this I can get down in fifteen minutes:

Like OP ED I know and have seen a wee too much to accept a naive materialism, and while I'd like to hold out judgment because there might be a nuanced materialism that might arrive, I'll say that it most certainly better not involve use of the word "quantum".

That said, the thing about the 9/11-as-ritual thesis that bothers me the most is the rank materialism in it. It might very well be possible that these morons are trying to open a real-life, physical stargate that we can just walk through and become immortal. Or maybe like geo's hypothesis, it's an attempt to co-opt a ritual as part a a big, lethal in-joke among an NWO campaign. Either way, the lack of subtlety indicates to me that they are going for something very un-complex and unrefined.

What caught me on it was when I saw that picture of the spinal column in cross-section then saw the planned Freedom Tower. 2=0=1 indeed. Your average initiate interprets 2=0 as Crowley's shorthand formulation for ritual application of the truth of Emptiness or No-Self. But the =1 part, which was not his formula, strikes me as a desparate bid for immortality. No Self and Emptiness both, if see clearly, mean that immortality as we like to think of it: i.e., "you" fly off into the sky forever and ever, show this sentiment to be hopelessly naive. Likewise, a variant, like "You go back to Sirius to kick it with Jahbulon" or "the DMT molecules release and you fly off into hyperspace fractal dimensions with the space aliens and the praying mantises" are just modern renditions of the heaven myth with a little helping of the psychic powers thrown in, but since people can and do attain the powers even today in their physical bodies they're born into, this seems silly.

So what it really seems like they are doing: knocking down the 2 towers and replacing it with 1, is in the grossest, most depraved way, attempting to unify disparate forces in order to attain immortality. Oddly enough, the knocking down of towers is also a causus belli, or reason to "conquer by force and fire", just like Horus in his wrathful form in the Book of the Law. Funny how that works out. And again, funny how the immediate geopolitical goal behind that is the so depraved, so gross, so immediate: Pax Americana via Mass Murder and War without End.

Quickly, what all this indicates to me is a totally satanic goal: Mastery over matter, here via the ability to wage endless war, to project force across the globe. Look at what OP ED's written--an esoteric teaching about the joining and balancing of forces as a means to actualize one's experience of absolute reality--and compare it to this depraved process--the "joining" of disparate forces (the two towers) via their destruction (force and fire, crushing the weak as "the joy of Kings) and then "balancing" them by erecting a single, unified "column of equilibrium" in their place--in order to master control of the world (with the added possibility of somehow opening a stargate). It's the rankest degeneracy, founded on human sacrifice.

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geogeo wrote: And yes, organized speculative Freemasonry did serve as the haven or breeding ground for the plans and projects that set us on our recent track of development, which picked up in the mid-1700s.And they were influenced by theurgy -- i.e. 'deities' were telling them what to do, a la the Elus Cohens -- just like had always happened. Indeed, the occultists we so often read about were generally the 'enlightened' ones; the courts and dioceses of Europe were saturated with prophets, seers, saints, and the like in whom the holy 'appointed' leaders would place their faith. It is a credit to Agrippa that his enlightened system was largely ignored (though not for lack of his trying) as was Paracelsus; Dee was taken a little more seriously, for a time (enough time to provide the evidence from the astral plane that England needed an Empire).

Nothing's changed, except that we proles tend to think that this whole 'relgion' thing for people like Bush is vague and has nothing to do with theurgy--in other words, it's the same sort of praying that run-of-the-mill Christians do (or like Ma Theresa did) which got no direct answer.

We've been summoning our own subconscious, talking to our hive mind, because through history we always get the same answer -- Unite, You are all One, I am You... What else would we say? Not too long ago, we were all one. The big secret...the hive mind recycles its memories through human bodies, perhaps--hence the belief that the high priest of mysticism Louis Claude de Saint-Martin was Saint Martin of Tours reincarnated (a carefully kept secret in synarchic Martinism); hence the importance of 11 and 11-11.

From John Dee, Alice Bailey and "The Nine" to the fact that everyone from Tony Blair to US presidents throughout the ages having channellers..(even, allegedly Hitler), "ascended masters"...

Makes you wonder if perhaps, the leaders of the world's...the movers and shakers, are not merely pawns of interdimentional tricksters.
People behind 9/11 thinking they are harnassing dark forces, when it is said forces using them. I mean the layout of Washington DC, the Pentagon and twin tower buildings...I think these were built to be used in a mega ritual.

What else can explain how these agendas go on for thousands of years, extending past any group or generational ties.
I look at events like the alleged Roswell crash, JFK, 9/11, Princess Di,
the Atomic bomb test, etc. and wonder if it's all part of a bigger agenda of symbolism. What's with the 33rd degree parallel?

People always talk about this cartoonish Dan Brown "Illuminati" cabal, as was written about by Robinson in the 1700's(The "masons and Illuminati control the planet" meme was around in the 18th century)
But noone ever wonders, what's at the top of that pyramid?

Perhaps...the undeniable UFO phenomenon, and widespread child sex kidnapping and abuse is all magickally tied into all this?

When Bush or Osama bin Laden says "God" is talking to them, perhaps it's something else.

Btw Geo, your deep research into the Martinists and everything else is
insanely well done:)

Why the choosing of 9/11, why the choosing of the Pentagon and Twin Towers, and why the numbers of the planes? That is the question...and its funny, this thread began as my attempt to piece together the exoteric portion of 9/11...not the esoteric.

8bitagent wrote:Perhaps...the undeniable UFO phenomenon, and widespread child sex kidnapping and abuse is all magickally tied into all this?

I tend to think that, *if* there is a body behind the 9/11 thing symbolically, then, yes, absolutely. Because they attempt to use spiritual practice for strictly material means--i.e., they actually seem to think that they can a. open a stargate and master the material world (either way, an immortality bid, an attempt to enshrine the ego)--they block themselves off from any hope of understanding transcendant and immanent absolute reality.

"Well, big deal, they're just deluded."

The problem is the more you deny the possibility and validity of these spiritual aspirations, the more you are building a wall between yourself and "higher" reality. Now, compound this with the fact that our rationalist society's doesn't allow us access to the numinous. Some other thread discusses our denial of the "tragic plane" and this is the same process. Our way of dealing with things is not to deal with them. Again, we build a wall between ourselves and the higher manifestations.

But the bricks to build that wall don't come from nowhere. The more you deny immanence and transcendence and even far grosser phenomena like the psychic powers, the more you cut yourself off from that. But to do that, you take the bricks from the wall between yourself and the "inferior" world. You enshrine your animal urges. You advocate "killer-ape" theories of human origins. You start to believe that the best human is the one on top of the heap, the one who is literally the master of animals, the perfect beast. As an aside I think Crowley recognized this and tried to rehabilitate it ahead of time. Regardless, you start to get elites who see their status as a proof of and injunction to predator-behavior.

But when you do this, you don't just check out. Something else notices. Something else checks in. And since you've already excluded the possibility of "higher" intervention, you end up with something much darker. people don't get spirited away by fairies fornicating in flowers anymore, they get abducted, surgically examined and anal-probed by little grey aliens. We don't have angelic visitations, we have "men in black" show up. The guys who seem to be neutral or serve a positive purpose, like providing a warning, start to take a frightful aspect: Not an angel with a flaming sword, but Mothman trying to flip over your car and Ingrid Cole making prank calls.

One thing to realize, and to be mindful of, is that the purpose of the system is what it does. 9/11 might have in part been an effort to open a stargate, but it was above all else an attempt to kill three-thousand people. It's like that one H.P. Lovecraft story. It doesn't matter if everyone devolves into utter cannibalism and then some unspeakable evil space invaders manifest. What does matter is that everyone descended into cannibalism. The space invaders were just window-dressing, the opportunists of the astral plane.

8bitagent wrote:Why the choosing of 9/11, why the choosing of the Pentagon and Twin Towers, and why the numbers of the planes? That is the question...and its funny, this thread began as my attempt to piece together the exoteric portion of 9/11...not the esoteric.

We also have to be careful here. If you look at your own life closely enough you'll start to see "correspondences" as well. I can't tell you the whys--no one can.

nathan28 wrote:
That said, the thing about the 9/11-as-ritual thesis that bothers me the most is the rank materialism in it. It might very well be possible that these morons are trying to open a real-life, physical stargate that we can just walk through and become immortal. Or maybe like geo's hypothesis, it's an attempt to co-opt a ritual as part a a big, lethal in-joke among an NWO campaign. Either way, the lack of subtlety indicates to me that they are going for something very un-complex and unrefined.

You nailed it. It's quite crude, and brazen. And as people speculate about proto languages/adaimic languages, theres a built in "injoke" to all this stuff. It's very very clear to me the elite behind these acts, love putting in
built in self references and winks-and-nods to fellow adepts.

Princess Diana's car crashes into a 13th pillar, a few minutes after midnight on the 31st of August right near a big black pentagram/eternal flame statue on the above sidewalk. "Haha, get it?" What a knee slapper.

Cory Lidle's plane crashes into the top of a New York City high rise, evoking images of 9/11. It happens on 10/11/06...or 9/11/01 upside down. "Haha, get it?"
JFK is shot at the capstone of a pyramidal street near a giant eternal flame obelisk and the razed site of Texas' first Masonic lodge...on 11/22.
Roswell, JFK, Atomic bomb, etc...33rd degree parallel. Hell there's a straight line from Oklahoma City to Shanksville Pennsylvania to New York City.

Now you clearly nailed it: 9/11 was very crude, unrefined and not very subtle. It's like a high schooler filling his mind with all the black magick and esoteric tomes he can find, and acting out a hodge podge potporri act based upon all these disperate elements.

The instant ripping of 3000 souls from their physical bodies, harnassed in the collapse of two esoteric structures...male/female duality, becoming one unified obelisk like structure 11 years later in 2012. It's too much to bear. All those souls, harnassed in the "Freedom Tower"...the ritual completed...22 years after Bush Sr's "illumination in a thousand points of light, new world order" speech.

I personally do not believe "bombs" ripped through the World Trade Center, at least I dont believe thats what befell the towers. Whatever
ripped through the Towers that day was something so powerful....
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" as occult scientist Oppenheimer proclaimed on the 33rd degree parallel.

In fact, whatever *was* going on in the Towers that day...was so frightening, to this day 19 year veteran janitor of the WTC and 9/11 hero William Rodriguez clams up talking about the mystery of "Floor 34".

Strangely, while William was on the 33rd floor he heard lots of very loud noise as if someone was moving heavy equipment and furniture around on the 34th floor. The reason this is interesting is that the 34th floor was completely empty. Elevators did not stop at the 34th floor. It was off limits due to a construction project. He said that this was the first time that he felt fear.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/art ... ml?id=7762

Somehow, I doubt that was CIA agents putting the final touches on "controlled demolition".

nathan28 wrote:What caught me on it was when I saw that picture of the spinal column in cross-section then saw the planned Freedom Tower. 2=0=1 indeed. Your average initiate interprets 2=0 as Crowley's shorthand formulation for ritual application of the truth of Emptiness or No-Self. But the =1 part, which was not his formula, strikes me as a desparate bid for immortality. No Self and Emptiness both, if see clearly, mean that immortality as we like to think of it: i.e., "you" fly off into the sky forever and ever, show this sentiment to be hopelessly naive.

Whatever inspired the "Freedom Tower", it's certainly not right.
Remember the "Tribute in Lights" in March of 2002? Lasted 33 days. How apro po. And indeed, 2 becomes one. Duality becomes singularity.

The choosing of the 11, 93, 77, 175 numbers I cannot see as coincidence(Crowley speaks of 175 harnassing the power of Venus)
Unlike the Christian perspective, I do not see Crowley as some bad guy. Like Manly P Hall, I see him as someone trying to understand the Eastern mystery and being drawn like many people to the mystery of Egypt; the connection to Jewish mysticism, I Ching, and world esotericism and how it applies to thine own self.

Crowley certainly saw something, however. 9/11 feels like a crude ripoff of Crowley's ideas...I would not say a serious adept of Crowley was behind 9/11.

nathan28 wrote: Likewise, a variant, like "You go back to Sirius to kick it with Jahbulon" or "the DMT molecules release and you fly off into hyperspace fractal dimensions with the space aliens and the praying mantises" are just modern renditions of the heaven myth with a little helping of the psychic powers thrown in, but since people can and do attain the powers even today in their physical bodies they're born into, this seems silly..

OP ED brought up the idea of the Egyptian "Tuat" or star gate, now of course a pop culture meme with the hit sci fi show "Star Gate SG-1".
David Icke, and Jake Koetze have in the last year put out youtube videos explaining 9/11 as an occult megaritual...either a stargate or invocation. A "Working" or unveiling. But I've seen this idea mentioned in other circles.

In David Ovarson's book about the Secret Architecture of Washington DC, he says DC was planned out in sacred geometry as an homage to celestial matters; all pointing to Sirius. The Pentagon strikes me as a parable to Sirius. The planes acting like Phallic symbols, Flight 11 striking the 11 shaped 11(0) story towers...Flight 77 striking the 77 foot tall pentagon(which began construction on 9/11/1941)

Alleged WTC co-designer Paul Laffoley claims through channellings that the "real masterminds" of 9/11 are "Gamaliel - the obscene; Tzalalimoron - the Clanger; and Bahimoron - the Bestial":
http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/gaudihotel.html

Now whether it's Aiwass bin Laden and Chronozon, or Bush and Dick Cheney...those behind 9/11 wanted a revelation of the method...a wink and a nod to those who "get it". One Dollar Bills just don't cut it.

nathan28 wrote:So what it really seems like they are doing: knocking down the 2 towers and replacing it with 1, is in the grossest, most depraved way, attempting to unify disparate forces in order to attain immortality. Oddly enough, the knocking down of towers is also a causus belli, or reason to "conquer by force and fire", just like Horus in his wrathful form in the Book of the Law. Funny how that works out. And again, funny how the immediate geopolitical goal behind that is the so depraved, so gross, so immediate: Pax Americana via Mass Murder and War without End.

Absolutely. On the outside layer, 9/11 appears to be Pax America's corporate hegemonic stranglehold of the middle east, clash of civilization, oil pipelines, etc. Whoever did 9/11 KNEW they could count on greedy neocons to take advantage of the situation, and brainwashable jihadists willing to "martyr" for the cause. Order out of Chaos, or Chaos out of Order.

nathan28 wrote:Quickly, what all this indicates to me is a totally satanic goal: Mastery over matter, here via the ability to wage endless war, to project force across the globe. Look at what OP ED's written--an esoteric teaching about the joining and balancing of forces as a means to actualize one's experience of absolute reality--and compare it to this depraved process--the "joining" of disparate forces (the two towers) via their destruction (force and fire, crushing the weak as "the joy of Kings) and then "balancing" them by erecting a single, unified "column of equilibrium" in their place--in order to master control of the world (with the added possibility of somehow opening a stargate). It's the rankest degeneracy, founded on human sacrifice.

more later

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Of course, 9/11 isn't entirely new...Elites who believe they hold esoteric knowledge and oppress people, and wake war; have been conducting elaborate mass human sacrifices for millennia.

nathan28 wrote:

I tend to think that, *if* there is a body behind the 9/11 thing symbolically, then, yes, absolutely. Because they attempt to use spiritual practice for strictly material means--i.e., they actually seem to think that they can a. open a stargate and master the material world (either way, an immortality bid, an attempt to enshrine the ego)--they block themselves off from any hope of understanding transcendant and immanent absolute reality.

The instant destruction of 3000 lives as the result of a global conscious affecting, tv-as-the-talisman act of insanity with heavy occult symbolism
certainly seems like heavy "street cred" in the spiritual world. like gang members proving their medal with brazen killings.

This frightening data from the Princeton global consciousness psychic "egg" project regarding the morning of 9/11 certainly sheds some light on the energy and thought flowing through the world that day:
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/terror.html

Earlier in this thread, someone wondered if the elites perhaps were holding ceremonies, sacrifices or meditation as the planes were being guided in.

nathan28 wrote:
But the bricks to build that wall don't come from nowhere. The more you deny immanence and transcendence and even far grosser phenomena like the psychic powers, the more you cut yourself off from that. But to do that, you take the bricks from the wall between yourself and the "inferior" world. You enshrine your animal urges. You advocate "killer-ape" theories of human origins. You start to believe that the best human is the one on top of the heap, the one who is literally the master of animals, the perfect beast. As an aside I think Crowley recognized this and tried to rehabilitate it ahead of time. Regardless, you start to get elites who see their status as a proof of and injunction to predator-behavior.

That's why I tend to muse if events like the 2002 DC Beltway Sniper killings are somehow connected to the "deep state".

nathan28 wrote:
But when you do this, you don't just check out. Something else notices. Something else checks in. And since you've already excluded the possibility of "higher" intervention, you end up with something much darker. people don't get spirited away by fairies fornicating in flowers anymore, they get abducted, surgically examined and anal-probed by little grey aliens. We don't have angelic visitations, we have "men in black" show up. The guys who seem to be neutral or serve a positive purpose, like providing a warning, start to take a frightful aspect: Not an angel with a flaming sword, but Mothman trying to flip over your car and Ingrid Cole making prank calls.

DMT machine elves, alien mantids, pointy hatted gnomes in Argentina,
fortean men in black, phantom child abducting clowns in early 1980's america, Nordics, greys, mothman, flying men in Romania and Serbia, "lam"...

At the end of this powerful blog entry, Jeff almost seems to make a connection between the Fortean, government occult research, UFO phenomenon, and organized child kidnapping and sacrifice:
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2 ... satan.html

I do not believe the "aliens" are good guys, and I find it quite interesting that yesterdays Fatima, angels and faeries are todays Men In Black and greys. I still cant figure out what the "alien"/UFO/abduction phenomenon is about, but I think "The Nine" is an indication of its psychological tricksterism.

Incidentally, there was stories of people seeing the Mothman around Shanksville PA weeks before 9/11, and even inside the WTC itself.

Ask investigators into the Pearl Mississippi school shooting case in 1997(the one that launched the seemingly unending wave of 97-99 school shootings) who was really behind those shootings; and they would be too afriad to tell you.

Next month, American movie goers will be going gaga for "Xfiles 2: I want to believe". Americans love to believe in the Fortean and this idea of FBI agents going after the boogey monster.

They could never imagine an event like 9/11 itself being a conspiracy, let alone one tied to this X-files world.

I don't know. I just can't help thinking that it's US we're afraid of and that it's US that we channel, we talk to, we see -- the emergent (self-organizinf) effects of concentrated will, memory, trauma--at a certain stage recognized as the collective subsconscious. Either that, or WE were created/mastered by a being popularly referred to as 'God' as a tool for it to probe and experience the material universe (Jacob Boehme). Perhaps it's the same thing.

I think Crowley was a tool--I also think he should be recognized by scholars on a level with folks like Derrida, but that's another thread. But I think Crowley was a tool of political occultism, particularly of Papus and the whole Martinist-Synarchist crowd. I think it's possible to be both a genuine mystic and a tool of those who use communication with the 'spirit world' to their own end, at the same time. At a certain point it doesn't matter if it's real communication or not, as long as power can say that it is--the greatest source of power is the claim of divine instruction. Why would our elites be any different? And this the very basis of Martinist synarchy. Folks always talk about the Bavarian Illuminati, but they were materialists and atheists, enshrining man as god. 'Right-wing' Martinism and allied currents in Germany were the opposition to this, and were the forces behind the unbelievable reactionary Holy Alliance. The Left generally tends to do conspiracies but not admit to a higher power than Man; the Right taps into the beyond, calling it whatever is appropriate--different levels of truth for different stages of illumination.

I suspect Bush and his ilk are informed of the reality of 'Divine guidance' that has special instructions for him, as leader. I mean, he basically said that to the leader of Palestine at one point, didn't he? The thing is--he ain't speaking metaphorically. The Elect, though--they get the fact that these voices and instructions are the same ones coming from the Nine.

I also think the NWO is already coming through the divinely guided movement begun in France, with the Martinist synarchists--United Europe, now called the EU. It's the only working model, and works by agglomeration. The US serves as a sort of attack dog (look at the Balkans).

Geogeo, I agree wholeheartedly with you about Crowley. Nicely put, to.
He was a tool (that in no way diminishes his own personal achievements in terms of climbing mountains and writing books, for those that love him) but a tool of whom, and for what purpose?

You say the Martinist-Synarchists - I say the British Foreign Office.....

Tomato - tomatoe

potato - potatoe

Hehehe.

But I think we're both right, and you're probably more right than me. Have to hand it to Crowley. There's still disagreement about what he was really up to, even now, so he must have did whatever his job was to an astonishing degree. I suspect that Crowley's job was being Crowley.

8bitagent wrote:
Now you clearly nailed it: 9/11 was very crude, unrefined and not very subtle . . .

crude, unrefined, and not very subtle. much like the towers themselves. those structures were clearly erected with the purpose of 'framing' ritual, the actuality being they were both inside and outside events on the morning of 9/11, as they served to form a picture of the spectacle at its periphery, while simultaneously residing at its center.

taking a relatively long view . . . if we look at the time in which they were built, examine exactly where we find specific members of the proto-plan B crew at that particular moment, and determine what those men were involved with in the early to mid-'70s as the towers went up, and link them to current geostrategic interests held in common by various transnational elites, we may begin to form a clearer picture of the true function of the architecture, regardless of the esoteric nature of its iconography. whether they were built to be demolished will likely remain speculation, but that's my relatively speculative take.

. . .

does anyone know of roland barthes description of the towers? he plainly saw them as a massive set, but from what i can recall i'm simplifying greatly. anyhow, i can't seem to track this info down.

kelley wrote:

8bitagent wrote:
Now you clearly nailed it: 9/11 was very crude, unrefined and not very subtle . . .

crude, unrefined, and not very subtle. much like the towers themselves. those structures were clearly erected with the purpose of 'framing' ritual, the actuality being they were both inside and outside events on the morning of 9/11, as they served to form a picture of the spectacle at its periphery, while simultaneously residing at its center.

taking a relatively long view . . . if we look at the time in which they were built, examine exactly where we find specific members of the proto-plan B crew at that particular moment, and determine what those men were involved with in the early to mid-'70s as the towers went up, and link them to current geostrategic interests held in common by various transnational elites, we may begin to form a clearer picture of the true function of the architecture, regardless of the esoteric nature of its iconography. whether they were built to be demolished will likely remain speculation, but that's my relatively speculative take.

. . .

does anyone know of roland barthes description of the towers? he plainly saw them as a massive set, but from what i can recall i'm simplifying greatly. anyhow, i can't seem to track this info down.

Well we know the World Trade Center was the brainchild of David Rockefeller. Everyone agrees on that. David Rockefeller is of course,
literally one of the top globalists in the world(head of the CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, and on and on...even Kissinger is merely *his* puppet)

So who designed the WTC? Why, the Saudi Bin Laden Group's main star architect, Minoru Yamasaki:
http://www.slate.com/?id=2060207

We all know the basic reasons why Osama Bin Laden chose to attack the World Trade Center, out of all the buildings in New York. Its towers were the two tallest in the city, synonymous with its skyline. They were richly stocked with potential victims. And as the complex's name declared, it was designed to be a center of American and global commerce. But Bin Laden may have had another, more personal motivation. The World Trade Center's architect, Minoru Yamasaki, was a favorite designer of the Binladin family's patrons—the Saudi royal family—and a leading practitioner of an architectural style that merged modernism with Islamic influences.

The article is fascinating, going on about how Yamasaki truly was the bin Laden's favorite architect, using him on a number of projects.

Ironic isnt it? David Rockefeller and the Bin Laden's, forever tied to the creation of the World Trade Center.

8bitagent wrote:

kelley wrote:

8bitagent wrote:
Now you clearly nailed it: 9/11 was very crude, unrefined and not very subtle . . .

crude, unrefined, and not very subtle. much like the towers themselves. those structures were clearly erected with the purpose of 'framing' ritual, the actuality being they were both inside and outside events on the morning of 9/11, as they served to form a picture of the spectacle at its periphery, while simultaneously residing at its center.

taking a relatively long view . . . if we look at the time in which they were built, examine exactly where we find specific members of the proto-plan B crew at that particular moment, and determine what those men were involved with in the early to mid-'70s as the towers went up, and link them to current geostrategic interests held in common by various transnational elites, we may begin to form a clearer picture of the true function of the architecture, regardless of the esoteric nature of its iconography. whether they were built to be demolished will likely remain speculation, but that's my relatively speculative take.

. . .

does anyone know of roland barthes description of the towers? he plainly saw them as a massive set, but from what i can recall i'm simplifying greatly. anyhow, i can't seem to track this info down.

Well we know the World Trade Center was the brainchild of David Rockefeller. Everyone agrees on that. David Rockefeller is of course,
literally one of the top globalists in the world(head of the CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, and on and on...even Kissinger is merely *his* puppet)

So who designed the WTC? Why, the Saudi Bin Laden Group's main star architect, Minoru Yamasaki:
http://www.slate.com/?id=2060207

We all know the basic reasons why Osama Bin Laden chose to attack the World Trade Center, out of all the buildings in New York. Its towers were the two tallest in the city, synonymous with its skyline. They were richly stocked with potential victims. And as the complex's name declared, it was designed to be a center of American and global commerce. But Bin Laden may have had another, more personal motivation. The World Trade Center's architect, Minoru Yamasaki, was a favorite designer of the Binladin family's patrons—the Saudi royal family—and a leading practitioner of an architectural style that merged modernism with Islamic influences.

The article is fascinating, going on about how Yamasaki truly was the bin Laden's favorite architect, using him on a number of projects.

Ironic isnt it? David Rockefeller and the Bin Laden's, forever tied to the creation of the World Trade Center.

yeah . . . i was asking those questions above rhetorically. take the info you just presented and fast forward from '74 to '87, to an outfit formerly called securacom, henceforth known as stratesec. then jump to june '01. i mean, this is all old news to many here, but really, it's absurd.

geogeo wrote:I don't know. I just can't help thinking that it's US we're afraid of and that it's US that we channel, we talk to, we see -- the emergent (self-organizinf) effects of concentrated will, memory, trauma--at a certain stage recognized as the collective subsconscious. Either that, or WE were created/mastered by a being popularly referred to as 'God' as a tool for it to probe and experience the material universe (Jacob Boehme). Perhaps it's the same thing.

I go back and forth on this but it doesn't matter. After all, what would the satanic ritual abuse thing be but our own fear of the future, especially that by those in power? If it's symptomatic of something in our deep collective psychology, it doesn't matter so much who's calling the shots but why. I'm not a fan of trying to mind-read individuals, but at a systematic or personal level, it's necessary to postulate and speculate...

@kelley: I'm not sure whether it was Barthes or Baudrillard, but one of those theorists described the towers as symptomatic of "duplication", which he believed was the end-goal of the American process: to make something new and then make everything identical to it. Same B-guy also states something to the effect that it wasn't Muslim pilots (or CIA remote control) that drove the planes into the towers, but their immense gravity as cultural black holes.

Back on-topic: The Bin Laden/Rockefeller connection really is too much. And the Stratesec thing. Why has no one caught on? The best place to hide, they say, is in plain sight. The shame is, sixty-plus percent of Americans have caught on, they just don't know what to do or that it matters. Democracy was a nice passing fad.

Baudrillard. The spririt of Terrorism.

still formulating thoughts.

We're told that "al Qaeda" are Salafist terrorists, part of a virulent strain of Islamic fundamentalism.

Well guess who gloats and takes credit for that?

Freemasonry, who proudly says that the originators of modern Islamic extremism were not just the heads of Egyptian Grand Orient Lodge Freemasonry(tied to Napoleon, and possibly the Luxor Hermetic Brotherhood, but that Egyptian Freemasonry had infiltrated every node of politics in the region:

http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/31/p09.php

I definitely believe the roots of al Qaeda and Islamic fundamentalism, Salafism and Wahhabism are intimately tied with the secret occult establishment behind the seat of European power...

And if we go back to even the 11th century Nizari assassin cults, we see heavy parables to "al Qaeda".

THE POLE-STAR

Love is all virtue, since the pleasure of love is but
love, and the pain of love is but love.
Love taketh no heed of that which is not and of that
which is.
Absence exalteth love, and presence exalteth love.
Love moveth ever from height to height of ecstasy
and faileth never.
The wings of love droop not with time, nor slacken
for life or for death.
Love destroyeth self, uniting self with that which is
not-self, so that Love breedeth All and None in
One.
Is it not so?...No?...
Then thou art not lost in love; speak not of love.
Love Alway Yieldeth: Love Alway Hardeneth.
..........May be: I write it but to write Her name.

Book of Lies (28)

And if we go back to even the 11th century Nizari assassin cults, we see heavy parables to "al Qaeda".

many researchers have suggested ties between the nizari and the knights templar. there are parallels, but circumstantial mostly. difficult to say. if this, even partially, turns out to be true, it would provide two distinct, compartmentalized "platforming" black cults with ties to white light cults (which they've infiltrated), which meet back up in modern times, over and over again. that is, two black currents, which occassionally intersect, as their teachings are not easily compatible.

you just made me think of that, 8bit. Although I'm still preparing a destination for my trains of thought here. So I'm not ignoring it anymore, i can only type so fast, and it'll need to be arranged properly in order to make any sense. no more pictures.

I'd point out that Yamasaki is a minor figure, at best, and that not all his buildings are occult. Quo Vadis, in Westland Michigan (where I lived across the street) is an abandoned theatre where I once sat on a hypodermic needle. Not particularly occult that building, just a bit filthy. It's abandoned now.


AOL said

I suspect Crowley's job was being Crowley.

geogeo said

I think Crowley was a tool--

I agree. So did he actually. The actual teachings about his purpose are oddly rarely studied in the "orthodox" (caliphate) O.T.O.
There is a reason for this, of course. It goes back to how the current works, and what the relative positions of the workers are in respect to it, whether this be positive or negative in any event.

(also the analysis of the numbers 77 (7 x 11) and 93, which I've been trying to avoid direct contact with so far, becuase they're the rub of the whole thing.)

It ties directly with any discussions of the "class A" type texts (and their equivalents), their "transmission" and the identity/identities of the "origin" of the current itself. That is, of the Lodges, or Lodge.

I apologize for delays in sharing what I have in this context, but I do hope that it will be at least partially worthwhile.

BROOMSTICK-BABBLINGS

FRATER PERDURABO is of the Sanhedrim of the
Sabbath, say men; He is the Old Goat himself,
say women.
Therefore do all adore him; the more they detest
him the more do they adore him.
Ay! let us offer the Obscene Kiss!
Let us seek the Mystery of the Gnarled Oak, and of
the Glacier Torrent!
To Him let us offer our babes! Around Him let
us dance in the mad moonlight!
But FRATER PERDURABO is nothing but AN
EYE; what eye none knoweth. Skip, witches! Hop, toads! Take your pleasure!-
for the play of the Universe is the pleasure of
FRATER PERDURABO.

Book of Lies, ch 70
70 = ayin, an eye, more Blakean--post-biblical-pesher symbols, these "eyes" will be the primary focus of the post I am assembling.

This chapter of the book is itself a commentary on the Devil Tarot Card, and as a "seven" chapter, on the book of Lies itself. Much of the book is commentary on itself and on his other works. This is the part which makes it so infuriating complicated to study the streams of thought.

btw, offhand, my own "board name" is a commentary on ch. 61 of the book of lies, and explains my intended purpose in returning to this place. I'd imagine a couple people here probably already knew that, anyone who does cabala for example--thinking of tKl whose own name is similar in this respect. i wonder if other closet magicians here reveal themselves this way....must analyze more names...(something else to approach insanity with)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib333.htm
http://www.watershedonline.ca/literatur ... szoas.html

cheers. bbl.

Love is the Law,
(93/93)
SHCR 81

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