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Jerky » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:41 pm wrote:Which Black activists would that be?

Personally, I would think that performing (mock) anilingus on someone is more of a sub thing than a dom thing.

Also, Cyrus does not come from an oppressor culture. She comes from po' white trash.

YOPJ

There was, for the most part, a swell of opinions that countered that the most important issue to come out of the VMAs was that of black appropriation, and not of anything related to sex. Off the top of my head, tumblr users "knowledgeequalsblackpower," "alienswithankhs," "racismschool," "strugglingtobeheard," "teamocorazon," "blackmanonthemoon," "blackfoxx," etc. wrote about Cyrus's appropriation of black culture at the VMAs, and the racism of the VMAs in general, at length starting on Sunday at that site. I've seen similar critiques coming out of that community saying the same thing for months now leading up to this. It's only been a couple of days, and I'm on vacation, so I haven't really been able to talk to my friends (though I do know one of the listed above) but I get the impression from the Internet that they are none too impressed by the race appropriation on display at the VMAs.

Cyrus comes from a rich, famous family and her culture oppresses black people.

So wait, a white girl can't do certain dance moves? Now...isn't that racist?

Anyways I love this performance, it's as if Bill Hicks choreographed it himself.

8bitagent » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:23 pm wrote:So wait, a white girl can't do certain dance moves? Now...isn't that racist?

Anyways I love this performance, it's as if Bill Hicks choreographed it himself.

The argument is long and nuanced and has been done much better than I could ever do it, but it goes something like, "Miley Cyrus can twerk, and even talk about it, but then she better be prepared for a conversation on race, minstrelsy, blackface, and appropriation."

Also, black people likely cannot be racist against whites, as the "pyramid of hate" illustrates. They could be prejudiced or biased, but reverse racism is largely believed (by non-whites) to not exist.

Project Willow » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:48 pm wrote:I was at an artist talk last week and the subject of rap music was broached. The speaker said he learned of an agreement established in an actual meeting, a conspiracy if you will, among record companies to promote the most violent (gansta) examples of the genre. Has anyone heard about this? I'd much rather discuss that, and other aspects of its co-optation, including, perhaps, Cyrus's.

Hmm, there was (of course!) an RI thread with an article that probably started off this discussion, a supposed insider thing about a meeting at a producer's house in Hollywood, where exactly this plot was hatched, and I remember it as most dubious. Gimme a second...

Nope, having trouble finding that specific article. Here are two threads where the idea comes up a couple of times:


N.W.A. - C.I.A. - Cru' in Action
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=26594

Hip Hop and Conspiracy Theory
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =8&t=25309

Luther Blissett » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:40 pm wrote:

8bitagent » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:23 pm wrote:So wait, a white girl can't do certain dance moves? Now...isn't that racist?

Anyways I love this performance, it's as if Bill Hicks choreographed it himself.

The argument is long and nuanced and has been done much better than I could ever do it, but it goes something like, "Miley Cyrus can twerk, and even talk about it, but then she better be prepared for a conversation on race, minstrelsy, blackface, and appropriation."

Also, black people likely cannot be racist against whites, as the "pyramid of hate" illustrates. They could be prejudiced or biased, but reverse racism is largely believed (by non-whites) to not exist.

Yet Spike Lee was also called an Uncle Tom sellout for talking about how extremely negative misogynistic/violence promoting/homophobic rap cliches were a modern day self perpetuated menstral show.
Though Im glad that gay rap is becoming more and more mainstream.

To me modern pop culture and the mainstream is complete and utter shit, so Cyrus' performance was a very moving and beautiful hyper meta mix of this snapshot of 2013.

I have 4 kids. 2 of them are girls. Every night, just before I drop off to sleep, I thank the fates that my daughters never gave a rat's ass about Hannah Montana or Miley Cyrus. I also enjoy how an entirely talentless & plastic creation like Miley & her PR team can successfully market her plastic rebellion
and get away with it. You folk really need to turn off your TV sets. It's easy. Just one click. Peace of mind soon follows.

I'm also enjoying how it went from panties bunching shockathon to the next exercise video in only 3 short days.

Awesome.

As the rhythmic shaking of one’s behind gains popularity with the American public, some are using it as an amusing and creative way to burn calories. After all, many popular dance-based workouts have swept through the country before, including Zumba.

Maybe they can combine twerking with Zumba. They could call it Twumba.

I'm sure Miley's bank account thanks all the legion of folk who have nothing better to do than watch TV & gossip about celebrity bad behavior.

Y'know, back in the 50s, there was one of those Alan Freed package tours featuring Jerry Lee Lewis & Chuck Berry. By this point in time, Berry & Lewis hated each other, so, at one city, I don't remember which, the show opened, and as the curtain pulled back it revealed 3 people on stage, Jerry Lee, Chuck & Jerry's pappy. Chuck Berry had a knife to Jerry Lee's throat & Jerry Lee's pappy had a shotgun pressed to the base of Chuck's skull.

Now, those boys knew how to do dangerous & shocking. Miley is only shocking because America has degenerated into a nation of media obsessed wimps who wouldn't know real rebellion if it bit them on their oversized red white & blue Zumba-ed & Twerked posteriors.

mulebone » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:43 am wrote:I have 4 kids. 2 of them are girls. Every night, just before I drop off to sleep, I thank the fates that my daughters never gave a rat's ass about Hannah Montana or Miley Cyrus. I also enjoy how an entirely talentless & plastic creation like Miley & her PR team can successfully market her plastic rebellion
and get away with it. You folk really need to turn off your TV sets. It's easy. Just one click. Peace of mind soon follows.

I am all for turning off the TV, in fact before I moved in with my now wife, I didn’t even own a TV and was proud of that. But you make certain sacrifices in life…

But I don’t think it is that simple when you have an impressionable child with friends at school who can show her this stuff on their mobile devices, or at a sleepover, etc. My daughter is 3 months old right now, who knows what kind of stuff we will be talking about in 12 years and how it will be shared.

I mean, just think about all those millions of young girls who've just spent the last seven years of their lives watching Hannah Montana TV shows and films, doling out literally billions of dollars to listen to Hannah Montana CDs, clothe themselves in the Hannah Montana fashion line, scent themselves with Hannah Montana perfumes, eat Hannah Montana breakfast cereal, sing into Hannah Montana toy microphones and go trick-or-treating in their officially sanctioned Hannah Montana Halloween costumes.

What is it, exactly, that these kids are supposed to take away from Sunday night's utterly bizarre and depraved debacle?

Ummmm, they can take away from it the fact that their parents are gullible assholes who never learned that children will ask for everything that they see, but it's ma & pa's job to say "NO." Honestly, if you were dumb enough to buy your kid Hannah Montana lip balm & perfume, etc., you deserve exactly what you get. As does your kid. On the plus side, maybe the coming Syrian debacle will erupt into a globe spanning conflagration that will leave humanity as nothing but a bad morning after memory for the rest of the planet. One can only hope....

mulebone » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:43 am wrote:Y'know, back in the 50s, there was one of those Alan Freed package tours featuring Jerry Lee Lewis & Chuck Berry. By this point in time, Berry & Lewis hated each other, so, at one city, I don't remember which, the show opened, and as the curtain pulled back it revealed 3 people on stage, Jerry Lee, Chuck & Jerry's pappy. Chuck Berry had a knife to Jerry Lee's throat & Jerry Lee's pappy had a shotgun pressed to the base of Chuck's skull.

Now, those boys knew how to do dangerous & shocking.

I don't care if it's true. It should be!

Jerky » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:33 pm wrote:PS - My blog was mostly satirical (which would have been obvious to you if you'd read it instead of just being holier than thou about it).

Jerky's blog wrote:16. Every once in a while, the Teddy Bear on Cyrus' teddy looks like the notorious Illuminati Eye. It's formed by the bear's black nose and white muzzle, with the tongue creating an eyelid effect. I know, I know...

OK Jerky, I'll bite, I don't know. Do you really think there's an Illuminati "handler" behind Miley Cyrus' perboremance art or are you just being "satirical", wink/wink, nudge/nudge. Genuine question.

BTW, one thing this thread doesn't need is more cowbell. One of the most entertaining I've read this summer, thanks to all for your participation. To put it in Roman terms, cool fucking circus! Now, how's your bread situation? Mine's kinda sucky, FWIW.

put some whine on it

oh well, allow me to proclaim: it's over and done with. over and done with...

stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:27 pm wrote:BTW, one thing this thread doesn't need is more cowbell. One of the most entertaining I've read this summer, thanks to all for your participation. To put it in Roman terms, cool fucking circus! Now, how's your bread situation? Mine's kinda sucky, FWIW.

Ha ha! That could be a sig line for almost every fucking post on this site.