This is an extremely weird 14 minutes of video. I don't know whether to believe it or not. If this is a real scenario our world is going to get really weird.
BART police investigating the weekend killing of a passenger on a train in Oakland have no onboard video of the crime, even though the transit agency had what appear to be surveillance cameras just feet from where the suspect shot the victim at close range, The Chronicle has learned.
Although all BART cars have what look like cameras mounted to their ceilings, the vast majority of the devices are decoys incapable of capturing footage, BART officials conceded Wednesday. And some of the actual cameras are broken, two police sources said.
BART police said Wednesday that the suspect in the still-unsolved slaying was recorded before entering the train and after fleeing from it at the West Oakland station Saturday evening. They released clear photos taken by station cameras of a slim, tall man in a green jacket.
However, they released no images from inside the train. BART officials would not say why, but the two police sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said no such footage exists — possibly because the cameras on the train were decoys.
The use of such dummy cameras is not common knowledge. Even one member of BART’s Board of Directors said he was unaware of the decoys, and conceded that they amounted to a security gap in the Bay Area’s backbone train system. A spokeswoman for the agency said working cameras will be on every car in BART’s new fleet, the bulk of which will arrive between 2017 and 2021.
At present, what appear to many riders to be sets of four cameras on the ceilings of each BART car are primarily fakes, an effort by agency officials to deter criminals — particularly vandals — without spending money on a more extensive surveillance system for soon-to-be junked cars.
Although BART has many working cameras on platforms and in station lobbies, the fact that cameras inside trains are decoys comes with a cost, as some crimes and key incidents aren’t preserved on film.
The entire security apparatus is much, much more fragile than it seems -- which is why so much money gets spent on TV shows about LEO omnipotence/omniscience.
Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:11 am
by Nordic
backtoiam » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:38 pm wrote:This is an extremely weird 14 minutes of video. I don't know whether to believe it or not. If this is a real scenario our world is going to get really weird.
It seems odd until you realize the whole thing is occurring just up the road from a refugee camp with 18000 inhabitants. The thing I found the most disturbing was the unrelenting intensity of the driver's spittle-frothing hatred, and his inexplicably godawful choice of music on his radio, which sure sounded somewhat Arabic. Just a nasty human being whoever that truck driver is.
Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:12 am
by Jerky
If you had to do his job, maybe you'd think differently.
J
Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:35 am
by jakell
Didn't hear anything approaching unrelenting spittle frothing hatred, in fact I heard a fair amount of fairly balanced dark humour which seemed a healthy response to the rather scary situation he was in.
As an exercise in perspective it may be useful to imagine the lengths he could have gone to, and any possible outcomes.
Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:31 am
by Elvis
jakell » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:35 am wrote:Didn't hear anything approaching unrelenting spittle frothing hatred, in fact I heard a fair amount of fairly balanced dark humour which seemed a healthy response to the rather scary situation he was in.
As an exercise in perspective it may be useful to imagine the lengths he could have gone to, and any possible outcomes.
Absolutely. He could have said, "Hey brother, can I give you a lift?"
Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:07 pm
by Wombaticus Rex
Hopefully the rest of the EU follows suit ASAP so we don't have to hear about stuff like this anymore.
Swedish police will no longer be able to give descriptions of alleged criminals for fear of being seen as racist.
According to an internal letter, police in capital city Stockholm are instructed to refrain from describing suspects' race and nationality, according to news website Speisa.
Local newspaper Svenska Dagbadet reported it had seen the letter, which it said outlined how officers should now notify the public of crimes.
The crimes “involve everything from lighter traffic accidents to serious crimes like muggings, beatings and murder,” the paper reported.
The letter specifies that, for everyday crimes such as burglary, basic information such as ethnicity, nationality, skin colour and height should not be given.
It was written by Stockholm police press officers Wolf Gyllander and Carina Skagerlind, and said crimes should be reported externally via the police website, without descriptions.
“We want to avoid pointing out ethnic groups as criminal,” said Mr Gyllander.
Sepesia reported the letter read: “Criticism is sometimes made against police regarding information about people’s skin colour. It is perceived as racist.
“As police are not racist, nor shall be constructed as so, this directive now applied.”
The letter, dated September 15, 2015 was written just a few weeks after a youth festival in central Stockholm at which there were a number of alleged sex attacks.
jakell » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:35 am wrote:Didn't hear anything approaching unrelenting spittle frothing hatred, in fact I heard a fair amount of fairly balanced dark humour which seemed a healthy response to the rather scary situation he was in.
As an exercise in perspective it may be useful to imagine the lengths he could have gone to, and any possible outcomes.
Absolutely. He could have said, "Hey brother, can I give you a lift?"
I was more thinking of the other end of the spectrum, where his ire at the situation explodes into violence, a fair amount of weaponry could be carried and concealed in a truck cabin, and I imagine he is already tooled up to a degree as he seems familiar with the sort of things he may encounter,
Being forced to travel slowly seems to bring enough problems there, actually stopping could be quite dangerous.
I'm contrasting his own fairly controlled venting with that of the familiar issue of road rage, where purportedly mild mannered and balanced individuals become out of control in situations that are far less fraught.
Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:48 am
by Nordic
jakell » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:35 am wrote:Didn't hear anything approaching unrelenting spittle frothing hatred, in fact I heard a fair amount of fairly balanced dark humour which seemed a healthy response to the rather scary situation he was in.
As an exercise in perspective it may be useful to imagine the lengths he could have gone to, and any possible outcomes.
Rather scary situation? How was it scary?
What's so scary about a bunch of bored and curious refugees trying to get away from their camp and Che k out the surrounding countryside?
Obviously he was terrified but it seemed in the same way a heavy viewer and worshippers of Fox Noise might be finding himself with a flat tire in the streets of Compton. He's clearly a racist fuck.
But seriously what was scary about that situation?
jakell » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:35 am wrote:Didn't hear anything approaching unrelenting spittle frothing hatred, in fact I heard a fair amount of fairly balanced dark humour which seemed a healthy response to the rather scary situation he was in.
As an exercise in perspective it may be useful to imagine the lengths he could have gone to, and any possible outcomes.
Absolutely. He could have said, "Hey brother, can I give you a lift?"
And then faced fines of up to £2000 per migrant.
Nordic wrote:
jakell » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:35 am wrote:Didn't hear anything approaching unrelenting spittle frothing hatred, in fact I heard a fair amount of fairly balanced dark humour which seemed a healthy response to the rather scary situation he was in.
As an exercise in perspective it may be useful to imagine the lengths he could have gone to, and any possible outcomes.
Rather scary situation? How was it scary?
What's so scary about a bunch of bored and curious refugees trying to get away from their camp and Che k out the surrounding countryside?
Obviously he was terrified but it seemed in the same way a heavy viewer and worshippers of Fox Noise might be finding himself with a flat tire in the streets of Compton. He's clearly a racist fuck.
But seriously what was scary about that situation?
They are not out trying to "check out the local countryside", they are trying to stow away on vehicles. One of my cousins is a lorry driver, he does the route to Europe quite a lot, on several occasions he has had to await police back up after he was threatened with knives, iron bars and the like for trying to remove people from the back of his wagon (for both safety reasons and the fact he does not want to face the potentially massive fines if he was caught with migrants in the back of his truck.
Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:20 am
by jakell
Fixx » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:28 am wrote:
They are not out trying to "check out the local countryside", they are trying to stow away on vehicles. One of my cousins is a lorry driver, he does the route to Europe quite a lot, on several occasions he has had to await police back up after he was threatened with knives, iron bars and the like for trying to remove people from the back of his wagon (for both safety reasons and the fact he does not want to face the potentially massive fines if he was caught with migrants in the back of his truck.
Exactly, they are a potentially dangerous mob who, for the moment, look rather aimless. They are very likely becoming more desperate as time goes by and have very little to lose, when you consider that their primary focus is most likely the vehicle you are driving then that changes things, except for folks living in a self-reinforced bubble thousands of miles away maybe.
One doesn't have to be a lorry driver or know one though, this seems like fairly plain thinking to me (which is why that bubble has to be reinforced)
Interestingly, this now hints back towards the thread title, and I thought we were on a detour (which is probably something that driver might have wished for).
Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:51 am
by Elvis
I didn't know there are fines, thanks. My point was that the driver is bereft of compassion.
Apparently the driver is Hungarian. This is what happens when France throws open its borders and lets in just anybody.
Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:00 am
by parel
I just read they have made their first arrest. A 26 year old Algerian asylum seeker has been charged with sexual assault for groping a woman.
What really sticks in my craw with this "event", is the complete lack of photos or footage of anything from around Cologne station that night. 1000 attackers would mean at least 1000 cameras. Plust 500 cops = cameras. Yet, there's not even any accidental footage of before, during or after the alleged assaults. In a world where people love to take selfies and film each other, not one person on that night took pictures or video??
All I can find is that small video from RT which shows a crowd standing around basically, and the rest is footage of the fireworks.