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"Don't believe the Hype on the Internet but believe me because I post here at RI so that makes me smart"

Seriously the level of the tosspot calling the tea kettle black that runs rampant on this forum is fucking hilarious these days.



While Dutch may draw his own conclusions on HARRP and other things, for my money, is one of the only guys out there that is actually reporting ANYTHING on the seriousness of the crustal movement taking place right now.

Land Cracks, India Flooding, South American landslides that involve Hectares and Hectares of land, Volcanoes that are erupting unlike anything recorded, Earthquakes along unformed Plates, Steam Vents in the So Cal Desert......

I mean fuck people, I thought folks here were subjective and insightful and had a knack for picking up on things that weren't quite right.

Take a 1/10th of the intiative this Forum had on exposing ARG'ers and the whol whatever saga and we might actually get a line on WTF is going on with the Earth right now.

But wait it doesn't have anything to do with SRA or MK Ultra or whatever so let's just prove he's full of shit and the assumptions he makes don't make logical sense to ME!

You guys trash the Wealthy corrupt elite on this Forum like it's going out of style but yet act yourselves like Elitists when it comes to certain subjects on the Forum.

It's like your guys are searching for some sory of credibility by distancing yourself or taking a stand against whatever doesn't vibe with what your "Ideal" is for this forum.

Whatever side of the line you fall on, it doesn't fucking matter. Do enough reading about what the Ancients say about this time in Human History and one thing comes across very clearly. You have to be mentally and spiritually prepared for the this time and if your not, regardless of how smart and clever you think you are, you will not survive it.

Be Rigorous people but put your opinions and egos to the side.

swindled69 wrote:You guys trash the Wealthy corrupt elite on this Forum like it's going out of style but yet act yourselves like Elitists when it comes to certain subjects on the Forum.

Guilty as charged and no apologies, although I've no idea if you were referring to me or not. Rejection is a core part of my learning process, my antibodies make for slow going but it works for me. I think you make an excellent point that I should keep my conclusions and opinions to myself more in the future, though, especially when I'm mid-path.

Well, I've got nothing better to do this morning than shoot fish in a barrel.

swindled69 wrote:"Don't believe the Hype on the Internet but believe me because I post here at RI so that makes me smart"

Instead of making up quotes maybe you could try actually quoting someone and then making a rational argument or, you know, being rigorous.

Seriously the level of the tosspot calling the tea kettle black that runs rampant on this forum is fucking hilarious these days.

Ha. Ya, on that we can agree, although I am sure we would have different opinions on who is doing the projecting.

While Dutch may draw his own conclusions on HARRP and other things, for my money, is one of the only guys out there that is actually reporting ANYTHING on the seriousness of the crustal movement taking place right now.

Maybe so. I've spent a little time looking at his evidence and it would not surprise me to discover that more mainstream sources would not be reporting major changes in the Earth's tectonic systems. But as Wombat asks,

wrex wrote:Define "normal" and define "time" otherwise we're just chatting about the weather. IE, what's the baseline and what's the sample size we're using for comparison.

Those are just the natural, rational, rigorous questions to ask. Without answers to those questions so that there can be a basis for comparison it is all just hype.

Like this:

Land Cracks, India Flooding, South American landslides that involve Hectares and Hectares of land, Volcanoes that are erupting unlike anything recorded, Earthquakes along unformed Plates, Steam Vents in the So Cal Desert......

How unusual is all that? I don't know and I very seriously doubt you do either.

I mean fuck people, I thought folks here were subjective and insightful and had a knack for picking up on things that weren't quite right.

Some people here are very insightful. Some not so much. That's not surprising is it? You really think we're all monolithically something or other? That's ridiculous. We're all by default subjective. But that's not a virtue. That's just the human condition. The trick is to try to be objective as well. Much harder to do. That's the "rigorous" part of rigorous intuition you don't seem to be very familiar with.

Take a 1/10th of the intiative this Forum had on exposing ARG'ers and the whol whatever saga and we might actually get a line on WTF is going on with the Earth right now.

Assuming there's something truly unusual going on with the Earth right now, that's probably true, but in order for you to know that you would have had to follow the "whole whatever saga" yourself fairly closely. Right? Right. Shame.

But wait it doesn't have anything to do with SRA or MK Ultra or whatever so let's just prove he's full of shit and the assumptions he makes don't make logical sense to ME!

Really? I think you need to stop smoking so much crack. This is an asinine statement. Yah. It's just too stoopid to bother with except to say it's too stoopid to bother with.

You guys trash the Wealthy corrupt elite on this Forum like it's going out of style but yet act yourselves like Elitists when it comes to certain subjects on the Forum.

I suspect what you call elitism is when members seek to be rigorous and rational and fact based.

It's like your guys are searching for some sory of credibility by distancing yourself or taking a stand against whatever doesn't vibe with what your "Ideal" is for this forum.

I certainly don't have an "ideal" for this forum, but yah, I'm occasionally snobbish about certain subjects, because, well, you'd have to be a moron to take them seriously. And I very definitely have a problem with members that can't take the time to try to write coherently or use a dictionary. I don't really want to interact with lazy twits (although clearly I make exceptions on occasion). Is that a crime?

Whatever side of the line you fall on, it doesn't fucking matter.

What line is that? I suspect it does matter.

Do enough reading about what the Ancients say about this time in Human History and one thing comes across very clearly. You have to be mentally and spiritually prepared for the this time and if your not, regardless of how smart and clever you think you are, you will not survive it.

Oh well, I gotta die sometime.

Be Rigorous people but put your opinions and egos to the side.

Ha. I'll just quote you in response:

Seriously the level of the tosspot calling the tea kettle black that runs rampant on this forum is fucking hilarious these days.

And btw I still don't have an answer to this simple question I asked on the previous page:

I wrote:Can those of you who have read Dutch extensively provide me a link to any instance when Dutch thoroughly and systematically attempts to rule out mundane explanations for radar artifacts?

Eyeno made an attempt, but did not actually answer my question.

Anyone? I'll even drop the "thoroughly and systematically" bit and settle for halfassed.

^^Well apparently it's this August 5th video: DIRECT DOWNLOAD LINK 232 MB - Servers haven't rolled over yet here so I still can't access his Youtube (unless it's down, again)

The copy I was emailed was only 4 minutes long and got cut off, so I watched the Project Camelot interview instead, as well as a bunch of other videos people did back up. All quite interesting, mostly focused on the "Induced Seismicity" material.

swindled69 wrote:we might actually get a line on WTF is going on with the Earth right now.

I recommend science.

Do enough reading about what the Ancients say about this time in Human History and one thing comes across very clearly.

Which ancients, when, where, what time? Sources?

You have to be mentally and spiritually prepared for this time and if your not, but even if you are, regardless of how smart and clever you think you are, you will not survive it.

Fixed that one.

Be Rigorous people but put your opinions and egos to the side.

It appears you have some strong opinions about "this time", but dropping hints of impending doom does not make a case for the wacky radar dude.

I've heard of this Dutchsince guy, but never bothered to watch his stuff. All I know is, as a lifelong watcher of the sky and land, a gardner, and a serious bird watcher for many years, there's something going on. But most people don't look at much out-of-doors anymore. That's why, for so very, very long people said chemtrails were a bunch of crap.

But I don't know, really, whether these huge cracks in the ground, or the HUGE holes opening up, or the volcanoes, etc. are more than they were say, one thousand years ago. Now, in my lifetime, YES, they are definitely happening more.

However, that isn't my problem, so much, with any of this.

THIS is:

I suspect what you call elitism is when members seek to be rigorous and rational and fact based.

A CONSPIRACY forum seeks to be RATIONAL and FACT BASED? From the MSM and the status quo's information? Really? I mean....science. I can't tell you how many stories I've heard in academia about people whose careers were destroyed because they published research that fell out of the party line. From absolutely every field: history, archaeology, chemistry, et al.

It reminds me much of what has been the operative conditioning for "conspiracy theorists" through the years: shame them, call them uneducated, paint them as knuckle-dragging hillbillies, etc.

So, swindled, I can't say anything about Dutchsince, and I have a real problem with the predictors....what is it about human nature that we feel the need to have a map?....but it certainly seems it would behoove a forum of conspiracy theorists to put aside the snide comments on your posts and RIGOROUSLY EXAMINE what you are saying.

And, as a long, long, long time reader of Jeff's brilliant essays.....well, I'd say what you are talking about is effing TAME compared to some of the stuff he's written about through the years.

Marie Laveau wrote:I can't tell you how many stories I've heard in academia about people whose careers were destroyed because they published research that fell out of the party line.

Right, but they published research. See what I mean?

From the MSM and the status quo's information? Really? I mean....science.

I cannot help but point out that is exactly what DutchSinse does and that's why his work is so interesting: he's using "MSM" and "status quo" information -- unless you think he built his own radar systems, seismographic networks, and databases. Seems to me almost all his screenshots come from a .gov of one stripe or another.

So where were we? Oh yeah. I think this is the full video - at least I hope so, since that file download keeps getting interrupted for me. On my 4th attempt now but Hope is not with me.

Yeah, again, I've not watched any of his stuff, so I can't talk to that.

But the academia stuff? Here's the thing: to the status quo it wasn't "real" research. There is a woman who was the rising star in the history field a number of years back, on staff at the University of Michigan. She actually got a paper published (how I don't know) that veered wildly off from the status quo founding fathers bs we're told. According to those in the know it was accurately and rigorously researched and vetted before it was published.

Yet, TPTB in the academic world were so offended, that this woman was ostracized from the big shot academic world. I believe she now teaches at a nominal jr. college somewhere.

I guess my point is, just using this woman for an example, she used status quo research, too: the same letters and papers all the other researchers have access to; yet, she decided to write the truth that had been subsumed for a long, long, long time.

Maybe that's what Dutchsince is doing? Using the same stuff, but putting a more accurate spin on it? I'll guarantee you, if he is right, there's no damn way TPTB or the MSM would be telling us the world is falling apart. No way.

Anyway, I'm going outside my boundaries, because, again, I've watched nothing of his, so I don't know. I just think making fun of swindled doesn't seem quite right for this site. (Not that you, personally, are doing that W. Rex)

I do know that people who are trying to keep up with what is going on say something is going on. And in contariness to the New Age "Hopi Blue Star" prophecy, one Hopi elder says there won't be another world after this. This is the last one.

Marie Laveau wrote: However, that isn't my problem, so much, with any of this.

THIS is:

I wrote:I suspect what you call elitism is when members seek to be rigorous and rational and fact based.

A CONSPIRACY forum seeks to be RATIONAL and FACT BASED?

Um, yes. That's what the RIGOROUS part is about. What part of rigorous don't you understand?

From the MSM and the status quo's information? Really? I mean....science. I can't tell you how many stories I've heard in academia about people whose careers were destroyed because they published research that fell out of the party line. From absolutely every field: history, archaeology, chemistry, et al.

Sure and as Wombat points out that's fascinating stuff. Wilhelm Reich comes to mind. I've read and reread most of his work, including his early and more widely accepted work.

It reminds me much of what has been the operative conditioning for "conspiracy theorists" through the years: shame them, call them uneducated, paint them as knuckle-dragging hillbillies, etc.

Some of them are.

...but it certainly seems it would behoove a forum of conspiracy theorists to put aside the snide comments on your posts and RIGOROUSLY EXAMINE what you are saying.

There's nothing there to examine Rigorously. You might have an argument about the snide comments, but swindled invites it when they start painting the board's members with a paint roller. Why should I have any respect for their post above?

And, as a long, long, long time reader of Jeff's brilliant essays.....well, I'd say what you are talking about is effing DUMB compared to some of the stuff he's written about through the years.

*fixed.

Some of them are.

You would do well to remember something: to TPTB, YOU are, too!

Why should I have any respect for their post above?

Really?

And, as a long, long, long time reader of Jeff's brilliant essays.....well, I'd say what you are talking about is effing DUMB compared to some of the stuff he's written about through the years.

brainpanhandler wrote:

Wilhelm Reich comes to mind. I've read and reread most of his work, including his early and more widely accepted work.

Fascinating man. I have read some of his writings. Do you know exactly which of his writings were supposedly banned and burned? I would like to read the writings that were supposedly burned/banned. Do you know the names of those books or if these writings can be found online?

^^ Basically, everything that wasn't already in print got burned. It's a pretty disgusting and sad case.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Re ... ok_burning

1956: Book burning
On June 5, 1956, as Reich was arranging his first appeal, two FDA officials traveled to Orgonon to supervise the destruction of Reich's accumulators. Most of them had been sold at that point, and another 50 were with Silvert in New York. Only three were at Orgonon. The FDA agents were not allowed to destroy them, only to supervise the destruction, so Reich's friends, and his son Peter, chopped them up with axes as the agents watched. On June 26, the agents returned to supervise the destruction of the promotional material, including some of his books. On July 9, the American Civil Liberties Union issued a press release criticizing the book burning, although coverage of the release was poor, and Reich ended up asking them not to help him because he was annoyed that they failed to criticize the destruction of the accumulators. In England, a letter of protest signed by A.S. Neill and Herbert Read also failed to find a publisher. On July 23, the remaining accumulators in New York were destroyed by S.A. Collins and Sons, who had built them.

On August 23, six tons of his books, journals, and papers were burned in the 25th Street public incinerator in New York's lower east side, the Gansevoort incinerator. Among the material destroyed were titles that were supposed only to be banned, including 12,189 copies of the Orgone Energy Bulletin, 6,261 copies of the International Journal of Sex Economy and Orgone Research, 2,900 copies of Emotional Plague Versus Orgone Biophysics, 2,976 copies of Annals of the Orgone Institute, and hardcover copies of several of his books, including The Sexual Revolution, Character Analysis, and The Mass Psychology of Fascism. This action has been cited as one of the worst examples of censorship in U.S. history.

As with the accumulators, the FDA was supposed only to observe the destruction, while his colleagues carried it out. One of them, Victor Sobey, wrote: "All the expenses and labor had to be provided by the [Orgone Institute] Press. A huge truck with three to help was hired. I felt like people who, when they are to be executed, are made to dig their own graves first and are then shot and thrown in. We carried box after box of the literature."

Enough about great martyrs, though, back to the topic at hand:



Which is also summarized here: http://www.dutchsinse.com/blog/?p=660

Wayback link in case all this goes down again: IA backup

He runs through the Bernard Eastlund patents, the Air Force documentation on "Weather Control" from their "2025" program which was actually 95-96 - a survey of future capabilities, talks about weather mod and geo-engineering (correctly stating these are not only legitimate sciences but also operational companies), and lays out the HAARP buoy system. I'm still not clear on how this fits together, but willing to keep digging and reading because Eastlund fascinates me and this material is directly related to the work of a personal hero of mine, John Pina Craven.

Still not a cohesive explanation but far closer to it than anything I've seen so far, except for some email correspondence from a few weeks back. Worth chewing over, not WOO, not easy to reject.