Elvis » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:54 pm wrote:All of the videos suggesting that Hogg is a shill of some kind are like the one I posted above—"bombshell proof!" I made sure to say that I chose it randomly because I probably don't want to promote any of those YT channels. The video itself is interesting.
Somewhere someone said it's raw footage from a CNN interview, which sounds more likely than the interviewer/videographer being Bogg's father.
Another factor is that Bogg is a student journalist, so he's probably seeing things from the producer's standpoint... "let me try that again so you have good footage (and when it airs, I'll look smarter)."
In his statement to/about Trump and gun control, he obviously and unabashedly reads from cue-cards, which is entirely expected in that situation, but his on-camera style isn't polished.
In general: most "crisis actor" claims, and especially the "hoax!" claims where
every mass shooting is "fake," are pretty obviously cuckoo to even normally skeptical observers. But I think it would be a mistake to declare that no form of "deep state" psyops would ever employ tactics using actors to go on camera with bogus eyewitness reports and the like. Given the acknowledged existence of ordinary psyops such as the scripted Jessica Lynch "rescue" video (to name only one example), I think we should always be alert to the possibility.
In regards to issues like this, factional/partisan biases, on all sides, do as much damage to the truth as any spook psyops—and not to ignore the big overlap there.
Is there any evidence this kid is the same who appeared in a random news report in California about a lifeguard? If it is the same kid, does it mean anything? (I would venture a solid NO to the 2nd question, but we should probably address the ideas gaining currency in the right wing media)
The biggest problem with crisis actor assertions, among many problems, is that they are the kind that can never be disproven satisfactorily to anyone who believes them.
Let's ask some questions as a thought experiment, and imagine the response:
Why was this kid on the news in California, and now in Florida as an anti-gun leader? It's impossible for anyone who lives in Florida to appear on the news in another state unless he/she is an agent.
A: Because he was visiting Cali, and his friend's bullshit made the news. He lives in Florida, where some mass murder shit went down.
Crisis Actor believer response: No way. It's too much of a coincidence that someone could actually travel across the country and wind up on the news for some bullshit story that no one ever heard of before today and then one of the biggest stories of early 2018. That has never happened ever. (ignores likely times that exact thing has actually happened).
But his Dad works for the FBI, and the FBI is secretly tryiing to take down Trump and outlaw guns as part of the Deep State conspiracy?
A: Well, that's a lot of shit in one question, Let's leave aside the Trump stuff for a moment, and point out that lots of people's parents work for the FBI because it's a damn big organization, and it doesn't really mean anything on its own to have a spook parent. Do you do everything your Dad or Mum does? Are you just a tool of your parents?
Crisis actor believer response: Naw man, FBI Dad + my pet issue = undercover teen agent. Clearly well groomed.
A: that's ridiculous.
Crisis actor believer response: But what about the Trump Stuff? The Deep State FBI is trying to get him along with all the other alphabet agencies!
A: You mean the agencies he is technically in charge of, to which he's made all the appointments allowed by law, except for the ones he hasn't bothered to fill, because he either hates work, hates government, or just doesn't care. The agencies that Obama was magically allowed to stack against him, using the same authority that Trump now technically holds?
Sorry. I'm getting ahead of myself. Or behind. Imperials will do that do ya, 9 percent and above.
Point being, again, nothing can be said to dissuade believers. If someone had actual even-close-to-admissble-in-court evidence, I would consider. But when the only evidence is Alex Jones pulling up videos of a kid in an unrelated news story, whom I'm not even sure is the same kid but am still giving the benefit of the doubt to that being accurate despite Infowars penchant for complete fabrication, well, they don't have much at all, and certainly no fucking bombshells.
A bombshell requires convincing evidence from someone who actually takes the time, and intellectual honesty, to investigate something.
Infowars dosen't have it, and RawStory doesn't have it. All they have is clickbait horseshit to feed into pre-existing beliefs for the stories they run that cite twitter feeds and 4chan posts. The fact that this horseshit even gets placed alongside the occasional story by actual reporters at real publications when it is aggregated by google news literally sickens me.
We are living in an age where Truth with a capital T is dead. Not because people are suddenly "woke," "red-pilled," or whatever you want to call it, suddenly able to see propaganda when it rears it's head as it so often does, but because these people can no longer discern questions and innuendo from verifiable facts and are less capable of telling the difference than ever before.
There has always been some overlap of fact, questions, and innuendo in true investigative reporting, but never in my lifetime (born in the early 80s) have the leaps of logic been so great and the ideology so stubborn as to deny everything you dislike (that does not conform) and accept everything you do like (that does conform) as it is today.
When people I otherwise respect text me stories only found on sites whose agenda is clearly based on supporting one ideological lie or the other, I sigh sadly, knowing there is nothing I can say to convince them otherwise.
This is the great tragedy of our time. Once upon a time, people were at least willing to frame their ideas as opinion, and acknowledge them as such. Not anymore. Belief becomes fact for such folks. When opinion becomes truth, Truth is dead.
