DrEvil » Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:04 pm wrote:
If gravity is not real then how do you explain that we don't float off into space? Why do we have weight?
Edit: Also - how do you explain that you can clearly see the curve of the Earth if you're standing on a beach looking out at the ocean (no planes or windows involved)?
Because objects have density. It is the most simple and obvcious explanation for why we do not float off into space. How can you rationalize that an object (the earth) moving 1000 mph doesnt hurl off all atop it via centrifugal force?
Of course we have density, that still doesn't explain why we stick to the ground. Why do we fall back down again if we jump? What force pulls us back?
I assure you that you havent actually seen the curvature and if you were to create a massive level to judge against the ocean horizon you would clearly see there is no curve.
And I can assure you that you're wrong. Have you even been out in the ocean (as in: where you can't see land in any direction)? I have, repeatedly, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that the horizon is not flat. It's curved. Seriously, if you're near the coast just go down to the beach and look for yourself.
Edit: You do realize that the modern Flat Earth theory was conceived as a joke, right? What next? Pastafarian extremists?
Why do we fall when we jump? Because we are denser than the supporting medium. Why would you assume there is a force pulling us down when it is accurate to say that we are being pushed down by the weight of atmosphere above.
er... and what is pulling/pushing the atmosphere down?
Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:52 pm
by maco144
Burnt Hill » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:00 pm wrote:Not to convince anyone - but I like the idea of an individual proving the earth is round (or disproving its flatness).
And exploring the ideas of some of the first to do just that.
Greek evidence for the Earth's shape and spin
A round Earth Pythagoras' pupils, if not the great man himself, knew that the Earth is round. Traveller's tales of ships disappearing over the horizon and the Pole Star shifting to a higher position in the sky as one journeyed north suggested a curved Earth.
Aristotle (about 340 BC), two centuries later, supported the idea of a spherical Earth, Moon and planets because:
• the sphere is a perfect solid and the heavens are a region of perfection
• the Earth's component pieces, falling naturally towards the centre, would press into a round form
• in an eclipse of the Moon, the Earth's shadow is always circular: a flat disc would cast an oval shadow
• even in short travels northwards the Pole Star is higher in the sky.
This mixture of dogmatic reasons and experimental common sense was typical of him and he did much to set science on its feet.
The shadows experiment assumed the sun to be at a great distance and extremely large. The same results can be calculated if the sun is much smaller and closer.
The four points you bring up that convinced Aristotle do not by any scientific standard prove to Earth a globe.
NeonLX » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:23 pm wrote:The Antarctica part bugs me. I've been to "Arctica" (Barrow, Alaska). I was getting dangerously close to the "north pole".
That's why your memory of that was scrambled and incomplete - you saw too much.
The "Perpetual Sun" phenomenon is actually a massive floodlight array to keep explorers from approaching the containment wall when the weather would normally permit that.
There is a seasonal perpetual sun at the north pole. This phenomenon doesn't exist at Antarctica. How can this be accounted for on a globe model?
NeonLX » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:23 pm wrote:The Antarctica part bugs me. I've been to "Arctica" (Barrow, Alaska). I was getting dangerously close to the "north pole".
That's why your memory of that was scrambled and incomplete - you saw too much.
The "Perpetual Sun" phenomenon is actually a massive floodlight array to keep explorers from approaching the containment wall when the weather would normally permit that.
There is a seasonal perpetual sun at the north pole. This phenomenon doesn't exist at Antarctica. How can this be accounted for on a globe model?
NeonLX » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:23 pm wrote:The Antarctica part bugs me. I've been to "Arctica" (Barrow, Alaska). I was getting dangerously close to the "north pole".
That's why your memory of that was scrambled and incomplete - you saw too much.
The "Perpetual Sun" phenomenon is actually a massive floodlight array to keep explorers from approaching the containment wall when the weather would normally permit that.
There is a seasonal perpetual sun at the north pole. This phenomenon doesn't exist at Antarctica. How can this be accounted for on a globe model?
NeonLX » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:23 pm wrote:The Antarctica part bugs me. I've been to "Arctica" (Barrow, Alaska). I was getting dangerously close to the "north pole".
That's why your memory of that was scrambled and incomplete - you saw too much.
The "Perpetual Sun" phenomenon is actually a massive floodlight array to keep explorers from approaching the containment wall when the weather would normally permit that.
There is a seasonal perpetual sun at the north pole. This phenomenon doesn't exist at Antarctica. How can this be accounted for on a globe model?
what's "a seasonal perpetual sun" then?
The perpetual sun happens in a certain season.
ah yeah that. I got a friend lives in Alaska, happens every year apparently. weird eh?
What's weird is how it happens at the north pole but doesnt happen in Antarctica. The flat earth model accounts for this. The globe model cannot account for the discrepancy.
What's weird is how it happens at the north pole but doesnt happen in Antarctica. The flat earth model accounts for this. The globe model cannot account for the discrepancy.
"doesnt happen in Antarctica" ... are you sure about that?
Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:24 pm
by dada
backtoiam » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:30 pm wrote:
I keep waiting on blood letting to go out of fashion but every time I check the news another country is getting bombed.
Blood letting, bombs, and fashion. High culture. That isn't science, that's economics. But I see what you did there.
NeonLX » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:23 pm wrote:The Antarctica part bugs me. I've been to "Arctica" (Barrow, Alaska). I was getting dangerously close to the "north pole".
That's why your memory of that was scrambled and incomplete - you saw too much.
The "Perpetual Sun" phenomenon is actually a massive floodlight array to keep explorers from approaching the containment wall when the weather would normally permit that.
There is a seasonal perpetual sun at the north pole. This phenomenon doesn't exist at Antarctica. How can this be accounted for on a globe model?
Yeah, no. Same thing happens at both poles. The Sun goes around you and doesn't rise much above the horizon but stays up all day.
That's real time. Care to explain how the Sun has just set here on the west coast of the US while Australia is basking in sunlight simultaneously? Our good friend Stefano would confirm it is daylight in South Africa and I can confirm it is not daylight here. Explain this anomaly.
Re: NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:38 pm
by Nordic
Wow. Thought I'd check out this thread and see how it ever went to 10 pages.
Now I know.
Speaks volumes for the educational system in this country. Assuming maco144 is from the US.
82_28 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:25 am wrote:Now I know it's just a video game and I don't like shooters but you have to be "trained" in order to use the high powered sniper rifle, just like in real life military bullshit in Call of Duty. You have to take into consideration the Coriolis Effect. Reason being is at long distances the round Earth has spun beneath your bullet. While I hate all things military, this is a factor that must be used if you're going to hit the target.
Snipers dont actually take in to account the spin/coriolis just a fun meme to believe.
NeonLX » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:23 pm wrote:The Antarctica part bugs me. I've been to "Arctica" (Barrow, Alaska). I was getting dangerously close to the "north pole".
That's why your memory of that was scrambled and incomplete - you saw too much.
The "Perpetual Sun" phenomenon is actually a massive floodlight array to keep explorers from approaching the containment wall when the weather would normally permit that.
There is a seasonal perpetual sun at the north pole. This phenomenon doesn't exist at Antarctica. How can this be accounted for on a globe model?
Yeah, no. Same thing happens at both poles. The Sun goes around you and doesn't rise much above the horizon but stays up all day.
The phenomenon only happens above the Arctic circle. If it did happen in both they wouldnt need to make fake cgi videos of it and youd be able to see real footage of the midnight sun in Antarctica.
