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OP ED » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:52 am wrote:Jesus wouldn't say that?
Are we talking about A Jesus or The Jesus?

Because in this universe, the book that stars him as the main protagonist kind of ends with him murdering a few billion people and then condemning them and um pretty much almost everyone else to eternal torment.

Which timeline is that from?

The one that I attended baptist school in. The same one where George W Bush lost the election and still became president.

Do you think really poor people move into different timelines? I mean people who didn't have all the stuff we did. Not enough leisure time. Missed out on collecting christmas merchandise. Now they live in a house that shares one shitty old computer with slow internet, or something.

Maybe they jump dimensions, and don't even know it.

Or I guess it could be the other way. This timeline-jumping could be a sickness. Our temporal navigation systems have been corrupted by all the mass culture carcinogens. We get psychic pop-cancer in our brains. Busted I-rudders. Very poor people would still have their healthy time-navigators intact. So they can stay oriented on their own timelines.

hrm... Yep, it's definitely the second scenario. I just had anndemonium (that's the name of my ship's computer. I have a ship, the Timeline Runner. I thought everybody knew this) run some diagnostics, and she found pop-cancer in the central global control array. So I recalibrated the anisotropic crystal lattice chains or some shit. (All I did was click a mouse on a dropdown menu. She did the work) And now my time-nav system is up and running.

So I'm looking at all the other timelines. (I'm looking at the timelines on the nav-screen. Couldn't do any jumps now even if I wanted to. No Chaos Emeralds in storage fridge... You know, never mind. It's a long story.) There's timeline a, and b... there's a timeline where I jump from a to b, and one where I jump from b to a. I guess those are c and d?

These timelines look like grid-tubes. Portals open, new grid tubes branch off, snake away at odd angles. Other grid-tubes in the distance skew closer, crackle like high-voltage cables. Sparks drip off

Damn, that's a lot of timelines. I don't know how you guys do it without a working nav system.

Funniest thing is, I think having one timeline makes it even more interesting. My 'one timeline theory' may be the strangest one of all.

OP ED » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:43 pm wrote:The one that I attended baptist school in. The same one where George W Bush lost the election and still became president.

Okay!

Dunno: I had higher expectations for you. Though I can't say why exactly. You're disabusing me of that notion.

MayDay » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:45 pm wrote:Jesus never said the following:
Luke 19:27King James Version (KJV)

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

In my reality. And I grew up in a Pentecostal church, and went to a baptist school.
Jesus didn't say that, and he wouldn't have. The hateful fake christians I knew would have gobbled it up, they would have quoted it constantly. And I would have been forced to memorize it, as I memorized long passages of the Bible verbatim and won awards for it. I was a true believer. I read it cover to cover, sat through thousands of sermons. Never once was this mentioned even in passing. And I was the sort of smart ass who would raise his hand and say "don't we call that genocide now?" when my teachers gloated about how god told the Israelites to kill every man woman and child of the various heathen tribes.

And the lion will lay with the lamb in my Isaiah 11:6. Not the wolf will dwell with the lamb.

All of this is ridiculous. Perhaps most of you are from this timeline. It kind of sucks compared to where I was. Queen doesn't even finish "we are the champions" with "...of the world!" What did I do to deserve this? Lol.

I'm mildly stunned by this, tho no one else seems to have reacted to it. When did you first become aware of it?

I was raised atheist and no Bible was ever in our household, as far as I know, when I was young. Hard to say when I first read it but probably as late as my 20s, at which point I didn't just read the Gospel, I studied it, marked the margins, wrote down countless quotes, and never once noticed this line. One of the things I did in my self-imposed religious studies was comb the Bible for contractions. This line is pure Old Testament stuff and, not counting the wrathful Jesus in Revelation, it flies in the face of the New Testament message, that of Mercy Not Sacrifice, Resist Not Evil, Turn the Other Cheek, Love Thine Enemies, & Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged. How the hell did I miss this quote? The only explanation I can think of is that it comes right after, and is easy to confuse with, a long parable about a Master and his servants, so the transition from quoting Jesus' parable to quoting Jesus himself is not clearly marked. Maybe my brain fogged over while reading the parable and I missed the quote in question? If so, that still doesn't explain how it never came up in the countless discussions I have read and participated in about Jesus and the Gospels.

And yeah, it does seem as though the angry-moralist-type-Christians would have been spouting this one for centuries. Have they?

They did at my school. Perhaps your christians are under achievers or perhaps I've been in this universe all along. The latter being my current working hypothesis.

And we memorized the passage from isaiah, and it was always a wolf.

I've suddenly been hearing people pronounce what I thought was the silent T in many words, such as "listen". I'd always heard it as "lissen", but now I'm hearing that T distinctly pronounced. Maybe it's just evolution in action, but it seems really odd to me.

And now they're telling us that Morpheus, in The Matrix, never said "what if I told you ..."

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/question ... at-does-it

what if there are no "time lines" but merely several different realitiea operating alongside each other governed by a different set of linguistic guidelines, we are just seeing the overspill?

dada » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:17 pm wrote:(I'm looking at the timelines on the nav-screen. Couldn't do any jumps now even if I wanted to. No Chaos Emeralds in storage fridge... You know, never mind. It's a long story.)

i happen to have three functional chaos emeralds in my possession, ill trade them for access to the big scary laser, (i have some fine cleaning to do) muhahaha muhahaha muhahaha (ahum)

http://biblehub.com/isaiah/11-6.htm

The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.


this descibes not animals but us, the little child shall lead (think totem pole , little man held by a bear) all the other animals with their own psyche all the way up to the top of the pole, and at the pinnacle, a big scary wolf.

For what its worth, here is a write-up I did for the issue that named the Mandela Effect at another forum a couple of years ago:


"I gave this some thought today, and it seems there are several ways to explain what Broome terms the ”Mandela Effect”, ranging from the fantastic to the mundane, such as:

1. The people who ”remember” Mandela dying in the 1980s are right, but it did not happen in the timeline we consider as the "original timeline". Rather, these people are originally from an alternate timeline and were sometime between then and now somehow transferred into this timeline. Or, alternately, what we see as the original timeline ”invaded” their timeline and rewrote it to destroy the history they remember. Or similar timeline-hopping shananigans in this vein.

2. The people who ”remember” Mandela dying in the 1980s are right, but the fact of Mandela's death was covered up by a immensely powerful conspiracy, all (or most) traces of it were removed from history and a very similar-looking replacement put into his place.

3. The people who ”remember” Mandela dying in the 1980s simply remember it wrong.

I am going out on a limb here and saying that the last option is far-and-above most plausible one and the only one to merit serious consideration here.

Why then could such a ”composite false memory” (so to speak) be born, what would be the ”ingredients” it was built upon? Bear in mind that like some comments in the blog point out, the "memory" of Mandela's death seems to be predominately (almost exclusively) an American phenomenon. Below, I'll try to suggest some ideas.


The Mandela Effect – Some Ingredients

Nelson Mandela was incarcerated in Pollsmoor prison in 1982-1988, together with several leading ANC members. At this time, his international fame was at its all-time high and he as an ANC leader was often featured in the news media in the United States, as well as was the apartheid system and the situation in South Africa in general. International pleas were made to the South African government to release him, even by major leaders such as Margaret Thatcher. International banks stopped funding SA, leading to economic stagnation causing also banks to petition for his release. In 1985 Mandela underwent surgery for an enlarged prostate gland and was moved into new quarters inside the prison. In June 1985 President Botha's government declared a state of emergency, initiating a police crackdown on the anti-apartheid movement. As an answer the ANC committed 231 attacks in 1986 and 235 in 1987. In 1988, Mandela's 70th birthday attracted major international attention, notably with the Nelson Mandela 70th Birthday Tribute concert at London's Wembley Stadium. Recovering from tuberculosis exacerbated by the dank conditions in his cell, in December 1988 Mandela was moved to Victor Verster Prison near Paarl.

Why would people remember ”knowing” Mandela died in prison? One ingredient might be the news about him suffering from medical problems – the tuberculosis and the prostate operation. A knowledge of medical problems would cause people to be potentially receptive to the idea of Mandela dying. It was also remembered that while in Robben Prison in 1962-1982, Mandela had taken part in hunger strikes and that the prisoners had been badly treated, also physically abused.

Another ingredient to consider could be the two 1987 films centering on apartheid, Richard Attenborough's Cry Freedom that told the story of Steve Biko (Denzel Washington), another South African black activist and Mandela's one-time fellow prison inmate, who actually died in prison in 1977, and Mandela, Philip Saville's TV movie that was centered on Nelson Mandela's (played by Danny Glover) life until that point. An interesting thing to note is that the movies were released back to back – Mandela was released in the United States on 20 September 1987 while Cry Freedom premiered there on 6 November 1987. It is not unlikely that people who saw the two films with a highly similar subject matter in under two months could have later conflated the stories together – and the prison death of another black South African activist would have mutated into the prison death of Nelson Mandela. Also, the very fact that there was a biopic made of Mandela might suggest to some that he had died or to reinforce that "memory" (some of the comments point to this direction).

Yet another ingredient in the mix might be the sudden death and public, televised funeral of Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme in February 1986. While Palme obviously was not South African or black, he was a prominent supporter of the non-aligned movement and well known internationally for being a vocal opponent of apartheid and a supporter of ANC in general and Nelson Mandela in particular. As prime minister, Palme had presided over Swedish economic sanctions against South Africa, and the Swedish were also giving direct economic support to the ANC, much more than other European nations. Just days before Palme's assassination, he had again publicly spoken against apartheid, addressing the ”Swedish People's Parliament” in Stockholm and telling how he believed they have ”a responsibility for bringing this repulsive system to an end”. Palme's death was considered a major blow by the ANC, too. In January 1987 Oliver Tambo, the ANC chairman, gave the first Olof Palme Memorial Lecture in New York, in which se said, among other things, that

Our own people will always remember Olof Palme as one of us, an unswerving opponent of the apartheid system, one who took sides by supporting the oppressed and our organisation, the African National Congress. Apart from his deep-seated revulsion at the theory and practice of racial domination in our country, he was determined to ensure that we too should have unrestricted access to political power and thus put ourselves in the position where we could take our own sovereign decisions about the future of our country.

It seems to me it is possible that if the news about Palme's death and funeral were in the US media interspersed with news about apartheid and the situation in South Africa in general, for many people who did not possibly have a clear, preconceived idea about who Palme was, the death news might mix with the other ingredients to later surface as a part of ”composite false memory” about the death and funeral of Nelson Mandela. It is IMHO at least certainly conceivable that seeing people from the left, the non-aligned movement and the critics of the South African government offer their eulogies to Palme many who were rather focused on Mandela as the symbol for apartheid might mistake them speaking about Nelson Mandela. Seeing something like the events of Palme's funeral on TV might also explain why the people remembering Mandela dying in the 80s also distinctly remember a public, televised funeral, something that would have been impossible to organize in South Africa at the time. (Would the years 1985-89 contain also other examples of televised funerals to fit the bill that would have been seen in the US, too, and preferably ones from outside the United States?)

Yet another ingredient could be the Nelson Mandela 70th Birthday Tribute popular music concert staged on 11 June 1988 at Wembley Stadium in London. It featured many major international artists and was broadcast to 67 countries and an audience of 600 million. While the concert was seen by the organizers and the Anti-Apartheid Movement as a way of raising awareness about apartheid and the imprisonment of ANC leader Mandela, it is easy to see that in some people's memories it could be pegged distinctly as a ”remembrance” event to honor the memory of a dead hero. While the event was very political, in the US for example Fox Television broadcast only a part of it, and by doing that removed a lot of the overtly political content. The Fox broadcast was referred to as a ”significantly deradicalized version”. Fox also did not call the concert Nelson Mandela 70th Birthday Tribute but simply billed it Freedomfest – another thing that could have had the effect of clouding some people's perception of what it was all about.

This is a provisional list of ingredients to consider as the basis for the creation of the ”Mandela Effect”, the ”memory” apparently shared by many people (predominately from the US, and often quite young at the time) that Nelson Mandela died in prison in the 1980s, and that this was attended with a televised funeral and other forms of commemoration, something that I could tentatively call a ”composite false memory”.

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As for Dolly's braces, I definitely remember that she had them when she smiled to Jaws.

tron wrote:what if there are no "time lines" but merely several different realitiea operating alongside each other governed by a different set of linguistic guidelines, we are just seeing the overspill?

There's a linguistic guideline overspill in aisle nine, clean up!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

tron wrote:

dada » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:17 pm wrote:(I'm looking at the timelines on the nav-screen. Couldn't do any jumps now even if I wanted to. No Chaos Emeralds in storage fridge... You know, never mind. It's a long story.)

i happen to have three functional chaos emeralds in my possession, ill trade them for access to the big scary laser, (i have some fine cleaning to do) muhahaha muhahaha muhahaha (ahum)

Oh I was just doing a riff up there. I don't really need chaos emeralds to jump dimensions anymore. I have two sand goddesses in mah party now. They can do all, pretty much. One of them has these toads that can do some pretty amazing shit as well.

The nine priestesses of Bast hang out with us all the time, too. So, you know. Also Dave Khan can do teleports. He holds up his hand, palm open facing out and says "Fygars, Rygars, rockets and slime" and we all vanish in a moire distortion veil, leaving lots of cherry blossom petals in our wake.

Thanks for the offer, though. I'll ask if you can use the big scary laser, anyway.

In the old days, the ship's Time Reactor ran on steam. Since steam is very clunky and cumbersome, full of trendy nano-particles, Zap switched us over to running on chaos. Zap is good with computers.

Then he turned the mini-fridge into a chaos storage box. Basically a harmonic flyback converter. Step down chaos via gradient descent. This way we didn't have to keep the Reactor idling all the time. That shit gets hot. But now we use the Emeralds for other stuff. Chaos Emeralds have many uses.

So, the big scary laser is Celes' laser satellite, that she controls remotely with a stylus on a touchpad. And she isn't going to let you borrow it. I kind of knew that was going to be the answer when I asked. But I gave it a shot.

You can borrow one of the option weapons if you like, though. Option weapon is a tungsten carbon alloy toroidal vacuum plasma thruster with a variable laser battery and an arduino shield stack in the middle, and that's it. Comes with a remote control as well. Not the big scary laser, but you get a selection. Cyclone laser, pulse, some others I forget.

Since I'm bragging about my ship, I'll tell you what else we got. There's an attack-glider with a shock-gun, and a ground-sled with horizontal and vertical concussion grenade launchers parked in the back bay. Attack-glider has oxygen and climate control.

We have a standard laser-dish, but who cares about that. I think it's offline right now, anyway. That thing is broken more often than not. They love us over at the laser-dish factory. We're their best customers.

My favorite is the spectral expander cannon. Not really a weapon, though it can be used as one. It's mainly used for firing the packets of anti-matter and spin-hall 'encoded' plasma for opening a jarvisgate.

Also we have a big storage chicken. Not a weapon, but it is very cute. Comfy, too, easy to fall asleep leaning back on the soft feathers.