Re: Skripal: Theresa May set to hit back Russia over spy att
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:04 am
Actual post alert— What follows is not copy pasta, but my sincere thoughts on the matter
I’m still baffled as to why so many Americans and RI posters have such a hard time believing that Russia could be actively cyber attacking the US and that the Skripal poisoning and anything and everything Russia is accused of doing is baseless propaganda against “the bear.”
Fanatical Trump supporters, who have an obvious motive, aside, have any of you spent time in Russia or inside Russian emigre’ communities?
Well I’ve done both.
Please don’t misinterpret this as some sort of prejudice. I’m not talking about individuals or making blanket statements against all Russians. I’m talking about Russian culture.
A few important points:
1) During the Cold War Americans were propagandized to fear, distrust and yes even hate Russians. Well guess what? The propaganda went both ways. Russians were conditioned to distrust and dislike us too.
2) Under Soviet communism (which had evolved into state totalitarianism), the average Russian was not paid enough rubles to cover basic living expenses. Just to survive and support their families everyone had to find side hustles, many of which were illegal. Since the state that created and enforced these laws, was the same state that that was making survival so difficult, an inverted value system began to develop, in which basically, gaming the system (which often involved lying, cheating and stealing) was considered clever, intelligent, even virtuous.
3) if you combine these two cultural tendencies the result is...not good. Add the fact that Russians are very much like Americans in their imperial hubris, and have a proud and sometimes arrogant attitude and belief in their superiority (mainly wrt to their satellite states).
For example you’ll notice a big difference in the humility factor if you compare a Russian and a Ukrainian or Tajikistani, which in some ways parallels the ideologically conditioned and rigid, superior attitude of many of the USA compared to the sweet humility of many Latin Americans.
So...
-rivalry between Russians and Americans has been stoked
- Russians have been conditioned to dislike us
- and thanks to a quirk of history, they believe that doing work that may be seen as....hmm...unethical or subversive is the best way to get ahead
- they feel slighted and thwarted in what they deem their birthright to rule and be on top.
Can anyone see a recipe for disaster? A recipe for tons of Russians to vie for these hacking jobs and to cheer Trump and anything else that will divide us and lead to our downfall?
I will never support the American military apparatus but my opposition to the war machine doesn’t have to make me blind to real threats and actions to divide and damage this country and thus hurt everyone who lives here.
I’m still baffled as to why so many Americans and RI posters have such a hard time believing that Russia could be actively cyber attacking the US and that the Skripal poisoning and anything and everything Russia is accused of doing is baseless propaganda against “the bear.”
Fanatical Trump supporters, who have an obvious motive, aside, have any of you spent time in Russia or inside Russian emigre’ communities?
Well I’ve done both.
Please don’t misinterpret this as some sort of prejudice. I’m not talking about individuals or making blanket statements against all Russians. I’m talking about Russian culture.
A few important points:
1) During the Cold War Americans were propagandized to fear, distrust and yes even hate Russians. Well guess what? The propaganda went both ways. Russians were conditioned to distrust and dislike us too.
2) Under Soviet communism (which had evolved into state totalitarianism), the average Russian was not paid enough rubles to cover basic living expenses. Just to survive and support their families everyone had to find side hustles, many of which were illegal. Since the state that created and enforced these laws, was the same state that that was making survival so difficult, an inverted value system began to develop, in which basically, gaming the system (which often involved lying, cheating and stealing) was considered clever, intelligent, even virtuous.
3) if you combine these two cultural tendencies the result is...not good. Add the fact that Russians are very much like Americans in their imperial hubris, and have a proud and sometimes arrogant attitude and belief in their superiority (mainly wrt to their satellite states).
For example you’ll notice a big difference in the humility factor if you compare a Russian and a Ukrainian or Tajikistani, which in some ways parallels the ideologically conditioned and rigid, superior attitude of many of the USA compared to the sweet humility of many Latin Americans.
So...
-rivalry between Russians and Americans has been stoked
- Russians have been conditioned to dislike us
- and thanks to a quirk of history, they believe that doing work that may be seen as....hmm...unethical or subversive is the best way to get ahead
- they feel slighted and thwarted in what they deem their birthright to rule and be on top.
Can anyone see a recipe for disaster? A recipe for tons of Russians to vie for these hacking jobs and to cheer Trump and anything else that will divide us and lead to our downfall?
I will never support the American military apparatus but my opposition to the war machine doesn’t have to make me blind to real threats and actions to divide and damage this country and thus hurt everyone who lives here.
