P.S. My four word review of Knowing: Another 2012 movie, yawn. (The year isn't 2012, but it might as well have been.)
bks does likewise with "State of Play".
bks wrote:They were about as subtle as a sledgehammer. The most obvious was Pointcorp-as-Blackwater. On that quick screen-shot of Pointcorp's web site, did you catch that the CEO's first name was Erick? They really were leading you by the nose.
I watched the movie with my wife and step-daughter, to whom (because I'm a big mouth) I was offering running commentary throughout the movie. About 2/3 through, I said, "I'm not sure how they got this made. It cuts pretty close to the truth."
Then in the last act, it became clear just how they got it made.
SPOILER ALERT**************
The last twist was appalling and so tacked-on I nearly threw up. Instead of Pointcorp, with its $40 billion in secret national security contracts at stake, being responsible for the murders the film depicts, we learn it was really the CRUSADING CONGRESSMAN who is at fault. His lunatic proxy does all the killing, and bad-ol' Pointcorp gets off with garden variety bribery.
The clear message: sure, they'd bribe some Congressman in order to get those billions, but Pointcorp would NEVER actually KILL someone to protect that largesse. No no, that's the preserve of the vigilante do-gooders who try to do an end-run around the system and instead appoint themselves as the government's watchdog. See what happens when you buck the system?
Revolting.
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Of course, if others had a different take, I'm open to updating mine.
The meme-reversal is a recent crop of movies where- kidz make up stories that affect adults.
'Joshua'
'Bedtime Stories'
'Knowing'
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:43 am
by wintler2
ninakat wrote:
Spoiler alert: A sub-plot of the film is the fact that Nicholas Cage has an estranged relationship with his dad who's a minister, and Cage has lost his faith of Knowing in god having lost his wife in a tragic accident. But, by the end of the film, he reunites with his father for the end of the world, smiling and resolved because he now Knows that god exists. How did he get to the believing stage? Because the aliens came and took his son away before the sunspots burned up the earth.
That is a diabolical plotline, with so many fatherless and alienated men. Let me guess, does reconciling with Father involve perpetrating some kind of violence against faceless others?
sounds like this.
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:12 pm
by IanEye
ninakat wrote:
Spoiler alert: A sub-plot of the film is the fact that Nicholas Cage has an estranged relationship with his dad who's a minister, and Cage has lost his faith of Knowing in god having lost his wife in a tragic accident. But, by the end of the film, he reunites with his father for the end of the world,
Nicolas Cage's performance in The Wicker Man remake re-cut as a comedy movie trailer.
It's true, the parody is better then the horrible mangling they did of the remake.
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:22 pm
by Jeff
brekin wrote:
Nicolas Cage's performance in The Wicker Man remake re-cut as a comedy movie trailer.
I haven't seen Knowing, because I haven't been able to watch Nicholas Cage in anything for 10 years, and even then he sucked. But I think if Alex Proyas could be said to have made an RI film, it's Dark City, but it's really the other way around. Dark City predates RI, and has been an influence.
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:57 pm
by OP ED
[dark city rules]
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 2:00 am
by NaturalMystik
Interesting synchronicity. I'm reading this thread about knowing and the last message is "Dark City Rules". I just finished watching Dark City... Now that one I enjoyed. I thought "Knowing" was kind of weak. I really liked the topics, but found the writing and acting to be pretty poor.
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:50 am
by justdrew
vampire's kiss is good, if anyone's missed that, very funny movie.
The meme-reversal is a recent crop of movies where- kidz make up stories that affect adults.
'Joshua'
'Bedtime Stories'
'Knowing'
Hugh, you're calling "Joshua" a Disney film????
WTF, you should really look into things before you make these kinds of ludicrous claims. This is one reason you have almost zero credibility with me.
"Joshua" was a little indie film made in NY by an old friend of mine. The production of that film has absolutely ZERO to do with Disney. Zero.
Re: Just Saw Nic Cage's "Knowing" film...Talk About RI
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:05 pm
by Searcher08
I really enjoyed Lord Of War, which I thought was a really excellent, though very dark film. I found it hard to get my head around anyone thinking it glorified the arms trade though - to me it I left with a sense of just how corrupting it is to anyone involved (never mind the people affected by its 'products') and how immoral the protagonist was - his life was one big lie.
So I was looking forward to 'Knowing' but found that watching it felt like being...well... like...this captures the experience.
Re: Re:
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:37 pm
by Hugh Manatee Wins
Nordic wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Disney is CIA for kidz!
The meme-reversal is a recent crop of movies where- kidz make up stories that affect adults.
'Joshua'
'Bedtime Stories'
'Knowing'
Hugh, you're calling "Joshua" a Disney film????
WTF, you should really...[etc.]
Nope, not what I was saying.
The fact that Disney is CIA for kidz, adults writing scripts to influence the lives of kidz, is being meme-reversed in a bunch of counterpropaganda movies as- ...kidz writing scripts for adults.
Two more decoy movies on this counterpropaganda theme are
"Joshua" was a little indie film made in NY by an old friend of mine. The production of that film has absolutely ZERO to do with Disney. Zero.
See above.
That "little indie film" DVD is prominent in my local video story, new and used, since late 2007 very likely because of-
US military interrogator, Joshua Claus, and a 15 year-old boy. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/06/9 ... orter.html
Re: Just Saw Nic Cage's "Knowing" film...Talk About RI
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:42 pm
by Nordic
Oh of course, Joshua is SUCH an unusual name.
Why do I bother engaging with you?
It's frustrating, Hugh, because sometimes you're on the right track, then you go WILDLY off course, and there's absolutely no talking to you.
Joshua was a weird movie, and I personally found it to be anti gay, honestly. But other than that ...? No.
Re: Just Saw Nic Cage's "Knowing" film...Talk About RI
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:04 pm
by Hugh Manatee Wins
'Knowing' is a woo decoy version of foreknowledge about numbers and a plane crash.
Sound familiar? Wall Street and 9/11.
With the profit-taking on foreknowledge of the 2008 market crash bound to come to light, the old problem of 9/11 foreknowledge would be remembered, too.
The CIA-media is also becoming unhidden and so the nick-name of CIA-CBS headquarters,
"Black Rock," gets turned into literal black rocks as calling cards of mysterious 'aliens' who turn out to be benign protectors, like angels. Natch.
In the movie we are shown the names of two big Goldman-Sachs Wall Street scandals, 'Timber Wolf,' (scene at the museum) and 'Abby' (name of the lead female woo protagonist) who represents Abby Joseph Cohen, formerly of Goldman-Sachs and once known as 'the prophet of Wall Street.'
...Ms Cohen worked for a short time with Barclays de Zoete Wedd, Inc. then joined Goldman Sachs in New York City as a vice president and co-chair of the Investment Policy Committee in 1990 and was named a managing director in 1996.
Successes and Failures
She is famous for predicting the bull market of the 1990s early in the decade.
Timberwolf - a "collateralised debt obligation" that packaged thousands of US home owners' mortgages - forms part of the US Securities and Exchange Commission's massive fraud case against Goldman for allegedly misleading investors about highly complex securities linked to the mortgage market.
