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Jeff wrote something sometime back that was pretty helpful to me: "We don't want to see things that aren't there. But when they're there, are we crazy for seeing them?"

Simulist wrote:Jeff wrote something sometime back that was pretty helpful to me: "We don't want to see things that aren't there. But when they're there, are we crazy for seeing them?"

Pithy Jeffian comments such as those are exactly why 17breezes hangs out here and contributes to our wonderment of the time and space we currently inhabit.

Maybe 17breezes will benefit, and become leth pithy.

It's strangely like how you remember the dream you were having just as you woke up in the morning, isn't it?

JackRiddler wrote:It's strangely like how you remember the dream you were having just as you woke up in the morning, isn't it?

I, like many, have a hard time with that. I will say that upon waking I ALWAYS have a song stuck in my head whether I've consciously heard it recently or not. I don't listen to music while I sleep either. It goes away as the day goes on.

But she had just returned from work sick and had been awake for a number of hours. Believe me, I've grilled her on the details.

Jayzuz, would be cheaper than Comcast....

Was she somewhere near either waking up or falling asleep? Or just sort of drifting in an interim state between sleep and wakefulness due to flu?

Because -- to repeat and emphasize something justdrew already brought up -- hypnagogic (falling asleep) and hypnopompic (waking up) hallucinations are pretty common. Especially auditory hallucinations. They're also normal, which is, I guess, probably more relevant.

I have them (hypnagogic, auditory) and would kind of miss them if I didn't at this point. Though they're not unpleasant or pleasant in themselves, in the way that dreams are. They have no mood or ambience to speak of. And I don't feel like I'm implicated in or connected to them. I just hear random people who aren't there talk about things of very little interest to me when I'm falling asleep and am used to it. So I would miss them if I didn't. Although they really are completely random, non-recurrent, utter and total strangers, from my point of view. It's sort of like hearing people talking on the subway.

But that's just me, it could occur in any form of experienced-as-real sound (or vision), including audio from a TV signal with an assumed-and-or-sensed but not perceived visual element.

I've always known that there weren't really people talking about golf or gardening or whatever in my bedroom while I was falling asleep, though. Which very technically means they're not hallucinations, in medical terms.

I don't know whether it's typical or atypical or neither to think hypna-/hypno hallucinations are actually happening. I've also had very vivid hallucinations when I had a fever which I didn't know weren't real, fwiw. And those were decidely unpleasant. Not to say nightmarish and surreal.

Anyway. State of wakefulness? Did you ask? Does she know?

Because people's brainz do just do that sometimes. And if that's what it is, it's nothing to be alarmed about.

If it was TV from the 90's, could it not be memory? Who would be broadcasting such stuff nowadays (retro tv slot perhaps?)

Several years back, whilst staying with friends in Germany, I was listening to the local traffic reports. But there was no radio or tv in the house, they just filled my half asleep head.

I don't speak much German, but enough to pick out certain words and phrases. I could understand maybe 5% of what was being said.

Either it was the fillings in my teeth or my mind was feeding it'self dreams, still not sure which...



caveat: The local homegrown was v. strong

Yeah, I've thought about that C2W. I always know I'm about to fall asleep once thoughts become to be more surreal. I wish she had more of a "tool kit" about thinking about and recalling, pontificating about these kinds of things. It really isn't a big deal. But when she says to me as she's reading a book that "the strangest thing happened to me" and goes on to describe some kind of television reception in her head, I'm like WTF?!?!?! I had a hundred questions immediately.

She doesn't understand it, but swears by it. And again this isn't a big deal to her. It's a bigger deal to me. Prosaically, I think it's just cos she's sick and dehydrated. However, I am still interested in this phenomenon nonetheless. Especially coming from her. She isn't interested in any of this shit whatsoever.

vanlose kid wrote:

Jeeze. Mammalian brains are so weird. Poor little dog. If not for the name alone.

You could tell there that the tail was between the legs. Thus, it seems to me that tail wagging (obviously) is a conscious expression.

Fuck an A. What is consciousness?

I'm gonna email DARPA and get back to you all once I hear back.

I just hear random people who aren't there talk about things of very little interest to me when I'm falling asleep and am used to it. ... they really are completely random, non-recurrent, utter and total strangers, from my point of view. It's sort of like hearing people talking on the subway.

I experience this, too. I can make it happen a lot of times by relaxing into it, but it has to be when I know I'm going to be able to fall asleep. I'm trying to learn how to hang on to that state longer, instead of having it last for only three or four sentences before I'm in dreamland for real.

The first time I heard it the voice said, "We have GOT to tell her!" which was kind of creepy.

When I'm in that twilight space between sleep and wakefulness I've begun to notice perfectly formed faces of individuals of people who I've never met. They are perfectly formed and in the moments after they are so detailed I could recount their every wringle and blemish - though the specifics do fade after a few moments. Its weird because these individuals are not remarkable in anyway except by their perfect individualization.

Other than their physical details my mind registers no other impression which, in itself, is also weird because usually when I see faces in real life I form some kind of psychic impression of who this person I'm seeing is as a intentive social sentient being. No, these faces are just faces - perfectly reticulated individuals who, to my knowledge, don't actually exist. Its so bizarrely idiosyncratic that I would never have even mentioned any of this had not other posters noted similar phenomena.

I get that too, occasionally, although not in such detail.
I came to the conclusion that it's the face-recognition circuit chatting to itself.

exojuridik wrote:When I'm in that twilight space between sleep and wakefulness I've begun to notice perfectly formed faces of individuals of people who I've never met. They are perfectly formed and in the moments after they are so detailed I could recount their every wringle and blemish - though the specifics do fade after a few moments. Its weird because these individuals are not remarkable in anyway except by their perfect individualization.

Other than their physical details my mind registers no other impression which, in itself, is also weird because usually when I see faces in real life I form some kind of psychic impression of who this person I'm seeing is as a intentive social sentient being. No, these faces are just faces - perfectly reticulated individuals who, to my knowledge, don't actually exist. Its so bizarrely idiosyncratic that I would never have even mentioned any of this had not other posters noted similar phenomena.

Do you ever dream this man?