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Magazine With Ad For "Zookeeper" Digitally Inserted Into "How I Met Your Mother" Rerun



For the past few years, networks have been digitally inserting ads and product placements for new products into old reruns. Shannon just noticed one in a rerun of a 2007 episode of "How I Met Your Mother." In the background on the shelf is a magazine with an ad on the back for the new "Zookeeper" starring Kevin James. Here's the original shot, which shows no books on the back shelf.



So does this mean Robin is buying bootleg DVD's? Or there's an unrevealed storyline where she's a movie reviewer for the local paper, seeing advance versions of the latest films? It raises all sorts of questions about timeline and continuity, and the more you stare at it and try to figure it out, the more the brand burns itself into your brain.

Dick Sutphen is from a kind of pre Tony Robbins time, when hypnosis programs would often be recorded on a set of tapes with a workbook. I had a dear friend whose tapes company I did IT for, who knew Dick and said he was a really decent guy.
Thank you for posting that AD.
Personally I recommend every person of good will to really get into and learn about neurolinguistics, hypnotism and language patterns and use that knowledge wisely.
There are plenty (eg Obama) who use these powerful techniques for manipulation rather than ethical influence.

Whoa! Thanks for the headsup on this kind of thing Stefano.

stefano wrote:Magazine With Ad For "Zookeeper" Digitally Inserted Into "How I Met Your Mother" Rerun



For the past few years, networks have been digitally inserting ads and product placements for new products into old reruns. Shannon just noticed one in a rerun of a 2007 episode of "How I Met Your Mother." In the background on the shelf is a magazine with an ad on the back for the new "Zookeeper" starring Kevin James. Here's the original shot, which shows no books on the back shelf.



So does this mean Robin is buying bootleg DVD's? Or there's an unrevealed storyline where she's a movie reviewer for the local paper, seeing advance versions of the latest films? It raises all sorts of questions about timeline and continuity, and the more you stare at it and try to figure it out, the more the brand burns itself into your brain.

Searcher08 wrote:Personally I recommend every person of good will to really get into and learn about neurolinguistics, hypnotism and language patterns and use that knowledge wisely.
There are plenty (eg Obama) who use these powerful techniques for manipulation rather than ethical influence.

Ethical influence is manipulation.







(eg Obama?)

There was some interesting stuff in the article, but the tone was fevered and quite a lot of the content seemed inaccurate. For example, I've been hypnotising people for years (my job) and I've never really needed to use any type of "Voice Roll Technique" (which sounds incredibly sinister to me!)

PS: Stefano - thanks for posting the screen-grabs. I'm left speechless.

Cheers,

Telexx

elfismiles wrote:Whoa! Thanks for the headsup on this kind of thing Stefano.

It's crazy, hey? Apparently it's been around for a while; the article that the consumerist links to is pretty interesting:

Media Musings: The ad that wasn't there: Is virtual advertising deceptive? by Michelle Brown

I don't agree with Brown that it's 'deceptive', to be honest I think that's a bit of a naive word to use in the context of people doing their very best to trick you into buying shit, but some interesting examples of how far the thing has advanced. 'Virtual product placement' like in that picture is probably the next big thing, especially now that we don't have to put up with as many ads as we used to through PVR and torrenting and so on:

Virtual signage is just the beginning. It is “virtual product placement” that promises to cause controversy as realistic computer generated images of brand-name products can be inserted into live broadcasts or recorded programs. L-VIS can insert cereal boxes, toothpaste tubes and soda cans in recorded shows. The brands can change each time an episode airs, so a box of Special K on Friends next week could turn into Lucky Charms in reruns. So, thanks to the marvels of virtual product placement, a desperate housewive’s coffee cup could become prime real estate.

I couldn't find a lot of good images. This kind of use in sport is the oldest:




The box of Oreos was not on the table when FRIENDS first aired on NBC. It was added when the show was made available on DVD and in syndication- thus exposing millions more eyeballs to the product.

This guy's pretty interesting about product placement in general.

Marcin Gortat of the NBA's Orlando Magic has a shoe contract with Reebok.

So, the shoe company was non-too-thrilled to discover that Gortat had a tattoo on his lower right leg...a Nike tattoo (Reeboks chief competitor).

Representatives of the company found out about the tattoo from a photo in a newspaper of his Michael Jordan/Nike logo tattoo on his lower right leg.

So did Reebok rescind his contract? Ask him to have the logo surgically removed?

No, they asked him either to wear higher socks to cover up the tattoo, or to apply makeup so it will not be noticed...at least through the rest of the NBA Finals.

edit - Hullo Telexx, I thought we'd lost you.

crikkett wrote:

Searcher08 wrote:Personally I recommend every person of good will to really get into and learn about neurolinguistics, hypnotism and language patterns and use that knowledge wisely.
There are plenty (eg Obama) who use these powerful techniques for manipulation rather than ethical influence.

Ethical influence is manipulation.

(eg Obama?)

My approach is
Manipulation is where, without my knowledge, you engage in communicating with me in a way that leads me to where YOU want me to be, without caring about my needs.
If I go to Telexx for hypnosis, saying I want to be free of my depression - what Telexx is doing is not manipulation, because it reflects my needs.


http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_U ... eeches.pdf

I noticed during the last election that the Democrats seemed to use this 'charasmatic leader' approach, where as the Republicans seemd to have placed much more emphasis on the structure and theatre of events - reading The Triumph of The Will, if you will.

Story of a Strayed Horse

Milton Erickson — the author of Ericksonian Hypnosis — once told this story:

"I was returning from high school one day and a runaway horse with a bridle sped past a group of us into a farmer's yard, looking for a drink of water. The farmer didn't recognize it so I jumped up to the horse's back, took hold of the reins and said "Giddy-up" and headed for the highway. I knew the horse would take me to the right direction; I didn't know what the right direction was.

And the horse trotted and galloped along. Now and then he would forget he was on an highway and would start off into a field. So I would pull on him a bit and call his attention to the fact that the highway was where he was supposed to be.

And finally about four miles from where I had boarded him he turned into a farmyard and the farmer said, "So that's how the critter came back. Where did you find him?" I said, "about four miles from here." "How did you know he should come here?" I said, "I didn't know— the horse knew. All I did was keep his attention on the road."

Moral of the Story

This story illustrate the idea of the client-centered approach that the Mentor uses in working with its protégé — That is, the client knows his/her destination or goal; also knows the direction to take and the way to it (has the expertise and resources).

What the Mentor does is help the client make choices and decisions, and keep the client's attention on the "road."

Searcher08 wrote:My approach is
Manipulation is where, without my knowledge, you engage in communicating with me in a way that leads me to where YOU want me to be, without caring about my needs.
If I go to Telexx for hypnosis, saying I want to be free of my depression - what Telexx is doing is not manipulation, because it reflects my needs.

Perhaps a better word is 'exploitative' / 'exploitation.'

And to cast BHO's speech patterns as hypnotic, without even mentioning Rumsfeld, well that seems to reveal you as someone who breakfasts on right-wing talking points.

Honestly. Obama speaks like an intellectual who took an 'effective public speaking' class once. Kind of like Gore in 2000.

Upon seeing the thread title, I thought of my local NPR affiliate's new tagline... "The Mind is Our Medium". I realize this is not in line with current discussion, but it seems worth sharing.

crikkett wrote:

Searcher08 wrote:My approach is
Manipulation is where, without my knowledge, you engage in communicating with me in a way that leads me to where YOU want me to be, without caring about my needs.
If I go to Telexx for hypnosis, saying I want to be free of my depression - what Telexx is doing is not manipulation, because it reflects my needs.

Perhaps a better word is 'exploitative' / 'exploitation.'

And to cast BHO's speech patterns as hypnotic, without even mentioning Rumsfeld, well that seems to reveal you as someone who breakfasts on right-wing talking points.
Honestly. Obama speaks like an intellectual who took an 'effective public speaking' class once. Kind of like Gore in 2000.

Rumsfeld is from the same dissembling school of corporatespeak as James Murdoch.

You sound like an Obama supporter who hasnt read the pdf in the link.

crikkett wrote:And to cast BHO's speech patterns as hypnotic, without even mentioning Rumsfeld, well that seems to reveal you as someone who breakfasts on right-wing talking points.

Searcher08's assertion that Obama's speech is "hypnotic" is a "right wing* talking point."

Therefore Searcher08 is an insidious purveyor of right wing memes infiltrating the board.

Ha! How do you feel now you are outed, Searcher08?

Hmm, suspicious. Notice how HoL defends searcher08. They must be a secret team of right wing meme purveyors, probably sockpuppets. Yes, that must be it, I must congratulate myself on my insight and intelligence. *pats back at job well done*

Sorry crikkett, I don't mean to offend. It's just a bit of satire.

Having said that, I didnt exactly find smoking gun evidence in the .pdf, but then I did just scan it briefly, so maybe Obama does use hypnotic techniques, or maybe he does not. I didn't find the .pdf impressive, it seemed interested in repeating bald assertions, and was clearly written from a don't elect Obama, vote the other guy, perspective. I don't know. Maybe dear Searcher08 will clear that up. I always found Obama's speeches to be stultifyingly dull and lacking in actual content. He would just drone on and on, I couldn't for the life of me work out how anyone found him anything other than a poor public speaker with little in the way of charisma. He does seem to look boring and managerial, compared to the grinning adolescent cowboy chimp. Personally, I always expected Obama to be business as usual, just like most of us here, and that's pretty much how he has turned out to be. On the other hand, while its true no-one knows what McCain and his oven chips would have been like, I'm guessing that for that at least, we should be grateful.


*I also wonder what we mean by "right wing." Do we mean the current corrupt leadership of a corrupt US republican party that stands for nothing so much as exploit and wage war and dissemble by all means available to ensure the enrichment and ascendancy of their class? Not all of us are American. I know some Americans find that difficult to take on board and constantly assume everyone on the internet is US American. But historically and geographically there have likely been very many things labelled "right wing." The "right wing" is a very vague phrase, difficult to bring to heel. I like to be master of language, not the other way around. Of course, if you are just interested in slinging accusations around in some sort of perverse witch hunt, you probably want to keep the language vague. I hope we don't have too many on the hunt for "fake lefties" around here. I've known some folk like that. Complete nutters. Personally, I don't think any of the political philosophies doing the rounds hold out great hope for the significant improvement of humanities lot. And remember we just had 13 years of New Labour. That's enough to put anyone off being a "leftist." They enriched the rich and multiplied war and conflict too, just like Thatcher and those who followed in conservative government. And they had a nasty control freak, uber surveillance, intrude into and seek control over every aspect of folk's lives kick added, just to make things worse, although maybe that evens out with the (paltry) minimum wage, and investment in education and health. Blair in later years always admitted how he had always admired Thatcher. Another bloody ringer I say. Oh hang on, now I'm calling Blair a fake leftie!

If BHO's speech pattern is really supposed to be hypnotic, he'd better skip a golf game or two, and take that remedial summer school class — whenever he speaks, all he (and that git before him) really manage to do is sort of piss me off…

Simulist!