seemslikeadream wrote:
did you miss the post by Willow? AD knows Icke is troubling for Willow but he starts a thread about Icke.....so who is responsible for this whole discussion Willow would not be offended if AD hadn't started the thread....what is AD supposed to start a thread and we are not allowed to post in it?
The offense started at post 1
I did not start this thread....I HAVE NEVER STARTED AN ICKE THREAD!!
but I am being told to watch MY mouth
From what I recall PW just said something like she didn't care for Icke because he muddies the water with other issues she cares about and something about keeping a cool head. Was AD suppose to shut down the thread at that point? I doubt that is what PW would have wanted. And when did AD say anyone couldn't post in the thread? There seemed to be people who were sympathetic or apologetic about Icke's worldview and method of delivering and AD challenged them on that. Seems pretty fair in a thread titled "David Icke: Methods of a Madman". If AD believes Icke is frivolous or a charlatan or even crazy why can't he start a thread on that? How can that be offensive unless someone believes he isn't frivolous or a charlatan? And great if they don't, let them discuss why he isn't, but why spend time trying to shut down one line of questioning?
I don't understand why you find any examination of Icke being less than authentic troubling.
I mean if you don't care about Icke why do you care about others discussing Icke? If you don't want to be associated with Icke why do you keep shouting about him? You aren't imprisoned in this thread you know.
Enough about process.
To follow up on Alice Walker/Icke post which was posted earlier. I think this blog post from Alice Walker herself lends credence to my belief that Icke's method, a dangerous method I think,
finds the sweet spot in left of center politics and spirituality by creating a justifiable minority to hate, because it spares the person from the process of dehumanizing a minority by delivering a "unhuman" minority as a target immediately. That is the rabbit trick Icke pulls with progressive peoples minds.
This demonizing of a certain group is older than recorded history and it is funny that Alice Walker recognizes parts of it in Malcolm X, Christianity, but is able to reconcile the obvious troubling part by making the "blue eyed devils" the "demons" of past, the lizards from outer space now. I guess my posting of Scientology and Nation of Islam dogma was more than prescient. With Farrakhan adopted Scientology all we need now is Alice Walker to host a summit between Icke and Farrakhan.
And really after reading her following blog post could you have asked a better case study of a Conspiritualist? At the end she's saying Chris Hedges is great because he helps ground Ickes work.
Commentary: Human Race Get Off Your Knees: I couldn’t have put it better myself
Alice Walker
http://alicewalkersgarden.com/2013/02/h ... er-myself/
I have been dragging along David Icke’s monumental book: Human Race Get Off Your Knees for the last month. It has been on my lap as I sat; been propped against pillows as I laid down; followed me to bathroom and poolside; and been, in fact, a formidable companion over these past several weeks. It is a massive book, and requires complete attention. Even so, some of it is hard to grasp. I have felt sorely regretful that my science foundation is so…nil. I remember that in high school the broken microscope we inherited from the white high school (they got a science lab) did permit each of us in our large class a single glimpse of, I think it was, an enlarged cell of something. It was pretty amazing,but there it was: my introduction to something David is telling us that is really worlds away from this.*
Earlier I wrote that David Icke reminded me of Malcolm X. I was thinking especially of Malcolm’s fearlessness. A fearlessness that made him seem cold, actually, though we know he wasn’t really. All that love of us that kept driving him to improve our lot; often into quite the wrong direction, but I need not go into that. What I was remembering was how he called our oppressors “blue eyed devils.” Now who could that have been? Well, we see them here in David Icke’s book as the descendants of the reptilian race that landed on our sweet planet the moment they could get a glimpse of it through the mist that used to cover it (before there was a moon). No kidding. Deep breath! Yes, before there was a moon! (Oh, I love the moon; can I keep it? Please?). Anyway, there they came, these space beings (we’re space beings too, of course, not to forget that). But they looked…. different than us. And they were.
They wanted gold and they wanted slaves to mine it for them. Now gosh, who does this remind us of? I only am asking. You do the work. Apparently their own planet needed this metal to continue its, apparently, long life. Credo Mutwa, Zulu shaman – and I am on my knees here in gratitude that he held on long enough to tell us about this – calls them the Chitauri, which has become my favorite word of all time (well, of this time that I’m learning all this): my partner and I go around saying Oh, Chitauri, whenever we get a glimpse of one or two of the Chitauri offspring, aka Illuminati bloodline families and their puppets, on the telly. It’s quite the stress reliever, just knowing what we’re looking at. And I like saying “telly” too, because it sounds so English and David Icke-esque. Truthfully our “telly” is our laptops.
It’s an amazing book, HUMAN RACE GET OFF YOUR KNEES, and reading it was the ultimate reading adventure. I felt it was the first time I was able to observe, and mostly imagine and comprehend, the root of the incredible evil that has engulfed our planet. A lot of it is how shall we say: shocking, beyond belief (but not really, if you don’t get too scared), stunning, profound. The deconstruction of language is breathtaking, the interrogation of symbols startling. Magical, in a way. I kept going: Oh, so that’s why…. You will too.
The Reptilian space beings whose hybrid (part human, part reptile) descendants make our lives hell in Paradise were blue eyed devils to Malcolm X, the devil himself to my Christian parents, who never talked about eye color, which I think was not only prudent but wise, although they seemed clear enough about his sex, and as demons in many other religions, including the non-religion, Buddhism, where the advice is often to invite them in until they go away. But maybe these were other kinds of demons. Not the ones controlling not just you, but everything.
*For instance: more study will be required to feel I truly understand “holographic universe,” and the importance of photon activity in the speeding up of our consciousness. Interdimensionality, shapeshifting, and the “frequency range of visible light” are huge areas for thought; there is as well a need to ponder the relevance of changes in the sun’s behavior to Earth’s quite calamitous climate changes.
I did not care for, or believe, the “death bed” confession of a Satanist tacked on at the end of the book. But Neil Hague’s paintings are extraordinary.
Another amazing book is Aids, Opium, Diamonds and Empire; the International Virus of Greed, by Nancy Turner Banks, M.D. I read this several months ago because my cousin, a pharmacist, sent it to me. Working as a pharmacist for something like forty years (recently retired) she had witnessed first hand the game run on the sick by the pharmaceutical corporations. But its reach is far beyond anything I would have imagined, from what she told me. It is actually a remarkable companion to Icke’s book. As is the work of columnist (in Truthdig and other places) Chris Hedges. In a way these writers “ground” the work of Icke, for those of us who need to keep one foot solidly in the earthworks of now.
