Heaven Swan » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:29 am wrote:Thank you to Jack and the others who responded civilly, graciously and without mocking sarcasm to my post. I’m hoping that this style of constructive discourse can become the new normal here. And I think it’s important. The Skripal case demonstrates how “conspiracy talk” is no longer a niche or side issue.
Russia is accusing Britain of a deadly, extremely high level, false flag operation.
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after the UK had accused Russia of murdering Skripal on UK soil, which you, being you, entirely neglect to mention..
Intelligent analysis of conspiracy talk and issues is so needed, but has been largely suppressed here by the insults, threats and aggressive attitude of certain posters.
No one insulted you, threatened you, or was aggressive towards you. So stop whingeing, and above all: stop lying, especially about a matter of this importance, and most especially at my expense. . We are talking about murder as a casus belli here; we are not exchanging Thanksgiving recipes at your dinner party. And: name names. I have aways been polite wth you, even when you accused me (vilely) of stalking slad. But now I have really had my bellyful of your incessant insinuations and your sneaky passive aggression, which strikes me
not as typically Russian, but as all-too-typically US-American in the age of Oprah, Twitter and Homeland Security. And spare me, spare all of us, your incessant
affectation of superiority. Because it is unwise to attempt condescension unless you are actually in an elevated position, and your anti-Russian cod-anthropology was the diametrical opposite of
intelligent.
The attacks shut down the discourse and I guess that’s why they do it.
What "attacks"? Nobody attacked you, certainly not I.
Quotes or it never happened. I disagreed with you, and no wonder. And by "shut down teh discourse", you mean my reply left you lost for an intelligent response, which leaves you deeply miffed. Tough. You are on a Discussion Board called Rigorous Intuition.
I sincerely hope a new day of respectful debating is dawning here.
Like hell you do. You mean you
sincerely hope you can assert or insinuate whatever the hell you please, even at my personal expense, without fear of contradicton, refutation, or even protest. Wrong. You are not at home here. You are discussing murder, lies, diplomatic uproar and the consolidation of The New Cold War, probably very soon to become Hot, on a Discussion Board called Rigorous Intuition. So get real.
Verbal abuse Is a real turn off.
Nobody verbally abused you. Stop telling lies.
Quote or it didn't happen. And NB: even verbal abuse is not nearly as much of a
turn-off as your obnoxious, sanctimonious, self-worshipping, self-pitying, disingenuously shitstirring shtick. See above.
Anyway, what I wrote about Russian culture wasn’t to say that I know for sure who is behind the poisoning. None of us are in the lab analyzing the samples so no one here can do that. My bafflement is with the hysterical attitude of so many, here and on other alternative sites, that happens to harmonize with Russian propaganda. Russia can do no wrong! A tweet was deleted.!!! OMG This is equivalent to a declaration of World War III.
Ffs. And you have the nerve to complain that other posters lack
intelligence. With brains like yours, who needs adenoids? (Yes;
now I'm attacking you (back).
Worse: not only are you
not more
intelligent than Moon of Alabama, Craig Murray or LItvinenko senior, you are nowhere near as brave as they are.
Worst of all, you are deeply dishonest. For all your pretence, you know
precisely why it matters that that tweet "was deleted" (sic! Your own -- very telling -- choice of the passive voice!) It was in fact -- as you very well know -- the UK's Foreign & Commonwealth Office that actively composed that tweet and then actively deleted it, many days later, and you know precisely why they did so: in a hamfisted attempt to cover up a warmongering lie.
Why are some you doing unpaid Russian troll work? Trump supporters okay, I know why. But could the rest of us tone down the hysteria so we can examine the issues?
Jesus crist almighty. Do
not accuse me of being a Russian troll, just because I reported on a serious lie by UK spooks & the UK Tory government, which you are too miffed, too dishonest and too mean-spirited to admit was a lie. As for your asserted desire to "examine the issues", you are, to put it mildly, profoundly disingenuous. (Being a saint, I deleted three Anglo-Saxon monosylables there, one of them an expletive. Let no one accuse me of
lowering the goddam tone round here.)
The world desperately needs a place where “conspiracy” issues can be looked at with intelligence and to quote the mythical Jeff, with “rigorous intuition”. And I’m actually seeing a glimmer of hope that RI could, once again, be that place.
"The world desperately needs". Spare us your sanctimonious impersonations of honest yearning. What the world really needs is more honesty and more actual intelligence. (The two things are very closely related, y'know.) You would not have survived five minutes here in the days when Jeff still ran Rigorous Intuition, because Rigorous Intuition back then was a place where where actual argumentative rigour was respected just as much as accurate (truly sensitive) intuition, and where toadies. sneaks, unintelligent shitstirrers and evasive self-worshippers justifiably feared to tread. Because, to paraphrase the great and brave and
intelligent American Muhammad Ali, they would have got their ass metaphorically whupped.
(Damn, I miss America. Where the hell did it go? It vanished under a tsunami of cupcakes and Diet Coke.)
“conspiracy” issues
Sic. I rest my case.
Just as I suspected all along: