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It's really not a question of whether individuals deserve to have the shit beaten out of them, it's the reality that that is what would happen to them if they voiced the opinion that Mr. Bauman is a liar out loud on the Boston Common.

But no individual will do that, because they recognize that reality.

Instead they act inappropriately on the internet, where they are safe to act like assholes.

It's boorish and boring, but no longer surprising.

In the weeks following Sandy Hook, I popped in a couple of times, and read literal craziness being promoted by a few voices here, alleging a massive hoax. This thread is a similar embarrassment.

Ever since the "no planes" stupidity began to be promoted after 9/11, this sort of wild-eyed hoax-mongering has turned into a spreading pestilence.

IanEye wrote:It's really not a question of whether individuals deserve to have the shit beaten out of them, it's the reality that that is what would happen to them if they voiced the opinion that Mr. Bauman is a liar out loud on the Boston Common.

But no individual will do that, because they recognize that reality.

Instead they act inappropriately on the internet, where they are safe to act like assholes.

It's boorish and boring, but no longer surprising.

yeah, I recognize it, just like I recognize that there are some places an interracial couple can't go - and they mostly don't - because they might get the shit beat out of them. Exactly who are the boorish assholes in these situations?

Two questions:

1) Was there or was there not a drill at the Boston Marathon finishing-line?

University of Mobile's Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines.

"They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about," Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15. "It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill."

http://www.sott.net/article/260912-Coin ... on-bombing

2) If there was, did that drill employ crisis actors?

There is nothing absurd or offensive about either of those questions. They are perfectly reasonable questions, indeed (one would think) essential ones. Because it would be terrible if terrorists used drills as cover, right? Worth knowing about for the future. And it would also be terrible if people started seeing public safety drills as something dangerous in themselves.

And those questions should be easy enough for any concerned US citizen to find answers to. After all, the USA is not a fascist state, right? Such information is perfectly easy to come by. Why should anyone hide it?

No need to ban anyone. Just find quick answers to those two simple and perfectly reasonable questions, and you can nip the offending thread in the bud.

A quick phone call should suffice.

Off you go, US citizens. Nothing to fear.

conniption wrote:Who was talking about Dave Emory?

It's an article by Dave McGowen. You know, the Laurel Canyon guy.

Sorry, lazy typo. I meant, "Here are the frames used in Dave McGowan's dumb-ass article..."

And wow, I read it again and it's dumber than ever.

Canadian_watcher wrote:yeah, I recognize it, just like I recognize that there are some places an interracial couple can't go - and they mostly don't - because they might get the shit beat out of them. Exactly who are the boorish assholes in these situations?

Fighting words are not covered by first amendment rights.

Canadian_watcher wrote:
yeah, I recognize it, just like I recognize that there are some places an interracial couple can't go - and they mostly don't - because they might get the shit beat out of them. Exactly who are the boorish assholes in these situations?

If the interracial couple happens to be on the Boston Common, and they happen to be stating that Mr. Bauman is a liar who didn't get his legs blown off, then the interracial couple are boorish assholes.

for a further example:


two completely boorish assholes
who deserve to get the shit beaten out of them

MacCruiskeen wrote:Two questions:

1) Was there or was there not a drill at the Boston Marathon finishing-line?

University of Mobile's Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines.

"They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about," Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15. "It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill."

http://www.sott.net/article/260912-Coin ... on-bombing

2) If there was, did that drill employ crisis actors?

There is nothing absurd or offensive about either of those questions. They are perfectly reasonable questions, indeed (one would think) essential ones. Because it would be terrible if terrorists used drills as cover, right? Worth knowing about for the future. And it would also be terrible if people started seeing public safety drills as something dangerous in themselves.

And those questions should be easy enough for any concerned US citizen to find answers to. After all, the USA is not a fascist state, right? Such information is perfectly easy to come by. Why should anyone hide it?

No need to ban anyone. Just find quick answers to those two simple and perfectly reasonable questions, and you can nip the offending thread in the bud.

A quick phone call should suffice.

Off you go, US citizens. Nothing to fear.

There are probably "anti-terror" "drills" at any and every soft target potential mass casualty event. one, to have a chance to practice in the real world, and two, to have people prepositioned to help should something actually happen, without freaking people out too much. There would certainly be reluctance to talk too much about it, since they don't really want to tell potential bombers ANYTHING about what little defense can be put up in such situations.

Canadian_watcher wrote:yeah, I recognize it, just like I recognize that there are some places an interracial couple can't go - and they mostly don't - because they might get the shit beat out of them. Exactly who are the boorish assholes in these situations?

Well, maybe you — for comparing an "interracial couple" minding their own business, to some idiot who claims that Jeff Bauman is lying about getting his legs blown off.

IanEye wrote:

Canadian_watcher wrote:
yeah, I recognize it, just like I recognize that there are some places an interracial couple can't go - and they mostly don't - because they might get the shit beat out of them. Exactly who are the boorish assholes in these situations?

If the interracial couple happens to be on the Boston Common, and they happen to be stating that Mr. Bauman is a liar who didn't get his legs blown off, then the interracial couple are boorish assholes.

ahh, but that's not what you said. You said that that people would get the shit beat out of them in Boston but since they werent willing to chance that they instead were being assholes on the internet. Is there anywhere where it would be safe to question the official version of the story and the 'evidence' they've laid before us without being called names and harassed? IOW, where might I freely express myself in the USA these days?

MacCruiskeen wrote: the USA is not a fascist state, right?

Very funny.

Canadian_watcher wrote:[Is there anywhere where it would be safe to question the official version of the story and the 'evidence' they've laid before us without being called names and harassed? IOW, where might I freely express myself in the USA these days?

I recommend suburban Toronto.

barracuda wrote:
People got blowed up, that's what happened. But don't worry, just as with all the hundreds of "crisis actors" in the Sandy Hook shooting, the conspiracy photo-truther folks'll soon enough be off and running, rubbernecking and masturbating to the next "look at the pixels its a fraud!!!" tragedy while the survivors languish in hell picking up the pieces of their bodies and their lives, and the perps and their support teams saunter back to their crappy-ass mansions in the burbs.

How's that for some pious shit, huh?

To go from false flag to fake event is so wrong on so many levels. This could be an 11 page thread on the techniques we actually know that the state uses and that may be in play in the recent tragedy, one of which is creating diversionary inoculation memes...

On edit:

Beat me to it:

Simulist wrote:In the weeks following Sandy Hook, I popped in a couple of times, and read literal craziness being promoted by a few voices here, alleging a massive hoax. This thread is a similar embarrassment.

Ever since the "no planes" stupidity began to be promoted after 9/11, this sort of wild-eyed hoax-mongering has turned into a spreading pestilence.

IanEye wrote:and they happen to be stating that Mr. Bauman is a liar who didn't get his legs blown off

Wait a minute! Which is it?

1. You deserve to get the shit kicked out of you if you suggest that Jeff Bauman maybe didn't get his legs blown off (at the Boston Marathon)?

or (as you suggested in the other thread):

2) You deserve to get the shit kicked out of you if you suggest that Jeff Bauman's miraculous unconcussed 100% identification of the alleged bomber (presumably the one not wearing sunglasses, but let's not quibble ) is perhaps not necessarily 100% reliable and enough to convict Dzhokhar Tsarnaev of a capital crime?

Or is it both?

I think we should be told, Ian. Seriously.

PS Suggesting that Jeff Bauman's memory may possibly be less than 100% reliable is not the same thing as calling him a liar. HTH.

Techniques the state actually uses:

Lying about tragic losses of life and machinery in order to get into a war:

http://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhist ... out-tonkin
Questions about the Gulf of Tonkin incidents have persisted for more than 40 years. But once-classified documents and tapes released in the past several years, combined with previously uncovered facts, make clear that high government officials distorted facts and deceived the American public about events that led to full U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

I note that in that case, questions have persisted about it for more than 40 years! Imagine! So, that means that people were questioning this story pretty much from the get go. I wonder who beat the shit out of them and where? I wonder if the families of all the fellas and ladies who died and were maimed in Viet Nam (including non Americans) would maybe LISTEN NEXT TIME when questions were raised about the government's sneaky ass versions of stories.

WAIT.. we already know the answer. No.. they wouldn't listen.. how do I know? Gee, I wonder.

Is that example too far in the past to matter anymore? Here's a fresh one.

Lying about Benghazi fuck up, asking the media to help a brother out:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/ ... 20543.html
The exchange of emails is laid out in a 43-page report from the chairmen of five committees in the House of Representatives. Although the investigation was conducted by Republicans, leading some reporters and commentators to dismiss it, the report quotes directly from emails between top administration and intelligence officials, and it includes footnotes indicating the times the messages were sent. In some cases, the report did not provide the names of the senders, but The Weekly Standard has confirmed the identities of the authors of two critical emails—one indicating the main reason for the changes and the other announcing that the talking points would receive their final substantive rewrite at a meeting of top administration officials on Saturday, September 15.

I could go on.. and on .. and on... and for any of you to feign ignorance about the MYRIAD times your government has viciously lied to its people leading them into war and recession, division amongst the people, countless deaths and suicides and experiments on all kinds of unsuspecting citizens, lied and deceived for nothing more than money at times, let alone the international power games now afoot - and excuse me but YES it does appear that fascism is knocking on the US's door. If you can't see it, then that's your prerogative, but WHY on earth are any of you so fucking uptight about the mere MENTION of it???

edited to provide a better source for the benghazi email story