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But why do so many people deny that happens?

Or deny that it has any significance?

tapitsbo » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:54 pm wrote:Where I live I constantly meet anarchists who do exactly that with their rhetoric.

As for prominent figures, seems like that's already been discussed all over this board by those who are better qualified than myself.

What's more deserving of attention, figures like Icke, Jones, etc, etc

Or the issues they obscure?

I don't think that this is an either/or choice. As Icke and Jones obscure issues they do deserve attention but, yes, as you point out the issues they obscure deserve attention.

Of course a good critique would shine such a light, for sure...

I've never met anyone in real life who was an "Ickean".

I HAVE met a lot of people who said that people in authority bore no responsibility for the world's problems. But were eager to pass judgement on those with less authority than themselves. (The relationship of a professor and student comes to mind!)

I know a few people who are really stuck on Icke but more common is what the critics call "cpnspiracism"- a uncritical attitude towards all manner of grand conspiracy models- often with right wing overtones- where facts are slippery and solid reasoning takes a back seat...

American Dream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:39 pm wrote: I know a few people who are really stuck on Icke .

The only one stuck on Icke here is YOU

and here is the irrefutable proof...your obsession with him is undeniable
David Icke Superthread
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all these others are just individual threads just since 2007 ...not his individual posts that would have taken forever to post
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OP ED doesn't give two fucks about David Icke. there are always crazy people spouting nonsenses that other even crazier people will believe.

however, the only thing more annoying than American Dream going on and on about Icke is SLAD going on and on about American Dream going on and on about Icke.

tapitsbo » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:16 pm wrote:The management techniques handed down in the administration of the "empire that never ended" seem to indicate something centralized, organized, and intelligent. Maybe not monolithic. Maybe not even a "black brotherhood" although belief in one is encouraged by all sorts of sources.

It seems pretty clear to me that figures like Icke are used as props to make any discussion of this seem absurd. Which is why the focus on him strikes me as weird, especially since there seem to be maybe only one or two posters on this board who maintain Icke-type beliefs.

I believe people with more power have more responsiblity. Sure we all play a part in the extinction of the human race, but some play more of a part than others.

Why is it that the left so often wants to hold "little people" to strict standards of accountability while people with authority are forgiven as being avatars of impersonal forces beyond human control?

It's almost enough to remind you of bullying tactics used by the right...

OP ED doesn't see anything that seems to indicate anything centalized, organized, and intelligent happening. rather the opposite. if it was these things it wouldn't need to constantly be reorganized, recentralized and reimagined every couple centuries [at most] into a very different form with very different core beliefs.

a black brotherhood could never exist indefinitely on such a scale. the very nature such brotherhoods is towards disunity and dispersion. alliances between self-serving psychopathic mammals are inevitably tactical and provisonal until opportunity arises for one to stab another from behind. this is one of the near universal qualities of high end predators, the tendency toward solitude. [its also very Nietzchean]

the will to power is always one-sided.

belief in such fictional entities being encouraged by various sources is no evidence that such a belief represents a true depiction of reality.

...

OP ED holds all people equally accountable for their actions or inactions likewise. even in a pseudo-democracy, TPTB receive approval for their attrocities through the direct rubber stamping of election and tacit approval through the inaction or nonreaction of their constituencies to such attrocities. giving the representatives of power a little nudge in the right direction would be as simple as writing them a letter. or making a phone call. or a fucking email for christ's sake, as we've all amply demonstrated that we have plenty of freetime on our hands for sharing our opinions online.

this does, of course, include very powerful people. OP ED has a difficult time, however, holding theoretical abstractions accountable for anything.
...
OP ED is not "left" of anything, btw. it considers such evaluations to be divisive and counter-productive.

At least I have other interests on this board...AD on the other hand has nothing better to do than to spam this board with Icke as a pretext for his anti-semitic bullshit...no one on this board is an anti-semite and I resent AD implying that there is......Mr. Bob Dole

seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:37 am wrote:At least I have other interests on this board...AD on the other hand has nothing better to do than to spam this board with Icke as a pretext for his anti-semitic bullshit...no one on this board is an anti-semite and I resent AD implying that there is......Mr. Bob Dole

slad, I will say one thing and one thing only to you: You are hearing only what you want to hear. I have been saying for years now that the ideas from far Right come here mostly from a weak politics not from deep racist intent- that's what I thought last year, that's what I think now and yet you persist in twisting things to be other than what they are, again and again.

Surely some of the people who get promoted here on R.I. have fucked up ideas- and it horrifies me that they are promoted here- but that is a different question...

I'm sorry if this offends you but those are my beliefs and I do think they are important as I have seen some of this stuff hurt people's mental balance and draw them over to really messed up ideas that are poisonous to good struggles like Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions of Israel etc.

Maybe we can just agree to disagree on certain things- as I said, I have no wish to offend you...

OK- That's it!

I think there is an important point raised here, which should be mentioned.

AD, you see anything Ickean or remotely connected in your mind with Icke as anti-Semitic.

You use the phrase 'anti-Semitic' THREE TIMES more than anyone else. 323 times.
You refer to Icke more than anyone else on the board. 431 times

For reference, Slad refers to anti-semitism 105 times, Icke 259 times

The number of times that myself or slad would be talking about Icke would probably be tiny, but you turn every thread about them into 'anti-Semitism', whether by intention or not.

You also give a free pass to people like MiB, whose materialist reductionist bollocks worldview I would suggest is much more of a threat in the world than Annunaki.

I think there isnt a person on or who reads RI who isnt aware of your position or has been for years.

You have been posting a megathread on TIDS and other people have (pretty much) just left it alone. You plug Icke threads get plugged into 'anti-Semitism' a la ADL; pseudoskepticism a la MiB; the meta-conflict on R.I. about dissociation from those whose views we disagree with vs not;
So I see you being left respectfully to your own TIDS area, yet when others post anything with 'Six Degrees of D.I.' you go into 'anti-Semitic' mode. Always.
So a question to ask yourself is... why did there used to be really rare short sharp multi-viewpoint Icke threads that finished without a board meltdown or lasting rancour - and now they last a month, end up causing huge conflict and strife and a huge waste of time and attention which (I assert) would be far better used in other ways?

AD, you see anything Ickean or remotely connected in your mind with Icke as anti-Semitic.

These are your words. To me they are grossly distorted. Is that deliberate?

You use the phrase 'anti-Semitic' THREE TIMES more than anyone else. 323 times.
You refer to Icke more than anyone else on the board. 431 times

Yes- we have had a lot of heat around these issues and much less light than I would have hoped. However, you are not going to shame me about taking the position I do on what is supposed to be an anti-racist, anti-fascist board.

The number of times that myself or slad would be talking about Icke would probably be tiny, but you turn every thread about them into 'anti-Semitism', whether by intention or not.

Icke is just the canary in the coal mine, as I have said many times before. However, slimmouse is sure to keep posting questionable stuff and you and slad are sure to jump in to defend.

You also give a free pass to people like MiB, whose materialist reductionist bollocks worldview I would suggest is much more of a threat in the world than Annunaki.

Slippery slope- regarding what you could be accused of giivng a free pass to- and really most all of us.

I think there isnt a person on or who reads RI who isnt aware of your position or has been for years.

Another slippery slope- same would hold true for so many. Are these selective/slippery slope arguments also deliberate? Do you intend to apply them equally to yourself and others?

You have been posting a megathread on TIDS and other people have (pretty much) just left it alone. You plug Icke threads get plugged into 'anti-Semitism' a la ADL; pseudoskepticism a la MiB; the meta-conflict on R.I. about dissociation from those whose views we disagree with vs not;
So I see you being left respectfully to your own TIDS area, yet when others post anything with 'Six Degrees of D.I.' you go into 'anti-Semitic' mode. Always.

Firstly, the TIDS thread is more of an exploration than a polemic and possibly less controversial. Secondly, I am going to notice when slim starts a fundraising thread for David Icke. Thirdly, you are making it all about Icke and all about anti-Semitism- this is a gross distortion. Also your ADL intimations are sleazy. Is that deliberate too?

So a question to ask yourself is... why did there used to be really rare short sharp multi-viewpoint Icke threads that finished without a board meltdown or lasting rancour - and now they last a month, end up causing huge conflict and strife and a huge waste of time and attention which (I assert) would be far better used in other ways?

From my perspective it has a lot to do with endlessly being (falsely) accused of having zionist sympathies, of caring only about one holocaust, and being subjected to endless signal jamming attacks, where low content/meaningless posts are perpetually added (apparently) just to shut things down- or maybe just to make the signal to noise ratio really, really bad. And, unfortunately, I think we all know who is responsible for those sorts of actions- which are endless.

I for one am in awe of American Dreams patient, resolute and pretty tireless efforts showing up conspiritards like David Icke. Thats really just tiresome maintainence compared to his/her real work assembling epic threads like Economic Aspects of Love & Tantra Induced Delusional Syndrome.

Thanks AD, & don't let the turkeys get you down, squarking "AD is a meanie.." & shitting copypasta diarrhea on the carpet is all they know how to do.

wintler2 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:35 am wrote:I for one am in awe of American Dreams patient, resolute and pretty tireless efforts showing up conspiritards like David Icke. Thats really just tiresome maintainence compared to his/her real work assembling epic threads like Economic Aspects of Love & Tantra Induced Delusional Syndrome.

Thanks AD, & don't let the turkeys get you down, squarking "AD is a meanie.." & shitting copypasta diarrhea on the carpet is all they know how to do.

shitting copypasta diarrhea on the carpet

ARE YOU SHITTING ME....THAT'S ALL AD DOES!


you'd know that if you ever read that mega thread

and of course we all know DI is the most dangerous man on the planet....


assembling epic threads.......... could you please list AD other epic threads?....that no one else posts in


have you heard of Fukushima or that we are on the verge of WWIII? ....apparently AD has not and continues to believe DI is way way more dangerous



am I correct you do not believe in global warming?....I rest my case.....

and now I must agree with BenD

"Wintler2, you are a disgusting example of a human being, the worst kind in existence on God's Earth. This is not just my personal judgement.." BenD

Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:09 am wrote:I think there is an important point raised here, which should be mentioned.

AD, you see anything Ickean or remotely connected in your mind with Icke as anti-Semitic.

You use the phrase 'anti-Semitic' THREE TIMES more than anyone else. 323 times.
You refer to Icke more than anyone else on the board. 431 times

For reference, Slad refers to anti-semitism 105 times, Icke 259 times

The number of times that myself or slad would be talking about Icke would probably be tiny, but you turn every thread about them into 'anti-Semitism', whether by intention or not.

You also give a free pass to people like MiB, whose materialist reductionist bollocks worldview I would suggest is much more of a threat in the world than Annunaki.

I think there isnt a person on or who reads RI who isnt aware of your position or has been for years.

You have been posting a megathread on TIDS and other people have (pretty much) just left it alone. You plug Icke threads get plugged into 'anti-Semitism' a la ADL; pseudoskepticism a la MiB; the meta-conflict on R.I. about dissociation from those whose views we disagree with vs not;
So I see you being left respectfully to your own TIDS area, yet when others post anything with 'Six Degrees of D.I.' you go into 'anti-Semitic' mode. Always.
So a question to ask yourself is... why did there used to be really rare short sharp multi-viewpoint Icke threads that finished without a board meltdown or lasting rancour - and now they last a month, end up causing huge conflict and strife and a huge waste of time and attention which (I assert) would be far better used in other ways?

and the ONLY REASON I USE THOSE WORDS IS IN REBUTTAL TO AD.....WHO IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTANTLY BRINGING HIS NAME UP....

EVERY OTHER MONTH FOR........


SIX FUCKING YEARS WE'VE HEARD IT ALL....OVER AND OVER AND OVER

so says a proud member of the club sandwich

American Dream » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:33 pm wrote:

How will you bring your message of anti-Racism to your community, slim?

OP ED only buys drugs from minorities.

wintler2 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:35 am wrote: tiresome maintainence compared to his/her real work assembling epic threads like Economic Aspects of Love

OP ED rather liked large parts of EAL. which is why OP ED avoids posting there. i tend to have friction with AD historically and this often results in excessive heat. [often from others, neither myself nor AD usually bring out the personal insults in a direct manner]

but this thread was already burning, and OP ED is beginning to get annoyed at AD's eternal critics who constantly derail his more useful threads into endless personal attacks on his character. this seems to be largely ignored by moderation, as if its become so normal that even the gatekeepers are numb to it.



however, it was now attracted OP ED's attention, and not in a good way, meaning, it is now OP ED's new hobby.

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OP ED wishes to get back to the part where people were attempting to discuss methods and operations designed for the removal of systemic exploitations.

...

OP ED believes the establishment of a provisonal demarchist/direct democratic-socialist party. like "Newid" but organized along more obviously syndicalist lines.

[being of fascist tendencies itself, OP ED favors a meritocratic sortitions approach to some pro tempore and/or formal-ceremonial offices, like in later Star Trek]

the party could self-dissemble after about 6 months of diverting funds from war chests and insoluable nonwars [like the one on "drugs"] into establishing a non-scarcity-based economy (the first step towards equality is eliminating poverty, not wealth) and use the other half of the new bugdet surplus to balance debts and redistribute technologies and resources into education and training programs designed to prepare its citizenry to make deicisions on their own.

[and OP ED could retire on Mars in a few years]

OP ED » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:25 am wrote:[q this seems to be largely ignored by moderation, as if its become so normal that even the gatekeepers are numb to it.

That reads like a 1:1 approximation of the facts.

I've gotten in the middle of this exact argument three times now and it never resulted in anything good.

Then again, AD seems to bear it calmly and provoke it often, so perhaps there's nothing to ignore? It is unfortunate that both sides primarily argue passively, through accretion of posted material rather than direct interaction, so it leads to a lot of tangential essays and weirdly formatted song lyrics.

We've had worse problems.

excuse me but no insults one could throw at AD compare to the constant implying FOR SIX FUCKING YEARS that there are anti-semites posting here at RI...

if you're going to throw around gatekeepers ...throw that one Mr. Dole

the party could self-dissemble after about 6 months of diverting funds from war chests and insoluable nonwars [like the one on "drugs"] into establishing a non-scarcity-based economy (the first step towards equality is eliminating poverty, not wealth) and use the other half of the new bugdet surplus to balance debts and redistribute technologies and resources into education and training programs designed to prepare its citizenry to make deicisions on their own.

[and OP ED could retire on Mars in a few year)

Whilst i might not agree with everthing you have said in this thread OP ED, I sure as hell like the sound of the above.

Hmm. Allowing, even training people to take responsibility for themselves. What a damn fine idea.

I have little doubt that based upon such an approach, most humans, as the essentially social creatures that we are would also understand that this would involve helping each other where possible too.