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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:38 pm
by seemslikeadream
take your own advice ....go call up your buddy ...it's his turn now ...isn't it?

Don't cut in line ...let the other guys have their turn

coffin_dodger » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:33 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:20 pm wrote:
coffin_dodger » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:10 pm wrote:Nordic, get with the programme, dude.
MSM are now perfectly acceptable as sources at RI - as long as they are anti-Trump. Nothing else matters. Oh, and the Russians are behind it. All of it. :wink
Fall in line pronto or you'll be judged mentally ill and sentenced to prolonged exposure to tantrums.
Another intelligent post, CD. In your world I suppose conjecture suffices for proof, eh?

I asked Nordic his to expound upon his take.

And you degrade everyone here with stupid remarks like that you just spewed forth.
That's all you've got, isn't it? To question my intellect.

Don't agree? - you're stupid! Stupid, stupid, stupid! You don't understand because you're stupid! All those people that disagree with me are stupid, uneducated morons.

I bow to your intellectual, moral and authoritarian superiority, Iam.
Don't like my posts? - ignore them.

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:42 pm
by MacCruiskeen
norton ash » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:28 pm wrote:Too many staunch defenders of the indefensible around here these days.
Out of curiosity, norton: Was that ironical? Or if not: What do you mean, exactly, by "defending the indefensible"? Do you mean "defending Trump"? Who's doing that? No one here that I can see.

(Defending the CIA?)

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:50 pm
by Morty
seemslikeadream » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:55 am wrote:he just can't quit me...and he has nothing else to do with his life but show me love
Nordic wasn't even commenting on a post made by you, if you'd care to look, Your Majesty.

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:55 pm
by seemslikeadream
oh wow triple teaming now..thanks for playing :love hearts:

what more could a gal ask for

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:59 pm
by seemslikeadream
Former Acting CIA Director Calls Russian Interference In Election ‘The Political Equivalent Of 9/11’
“A foreign government messing around in our elections is, I think, an existential threat to our way of life,” he said.
12/12/2016 11:31 am ET | Updated 5 minutes ago
Amanda Terkel
Senior Political Reporter, The Huffington Post

JULIA SCHMALZ/BLOOMBERG VIA GETTY IMAGES
Former acting CIA director Mike Morrell underscored the seriousness of the reports that Russia interfered in the U.S. election.
WASHINGTON ― The former acting director of the CIA said Sunday that Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections constituted a significant attack on the United States, calling it “the political equivalent of 9/11.”

“It is an attack on our very democracy. It’s an attack on who we are as a people,” Mike Morell told The Cipher Brief. “A foreign government messing around in our elections is, I think, an existential threat to our way of life. To me, and this is to me not an overstatement, this is the political equivalent of 9/11. It is huge and the fact that it hasn’t gotten more attention from the Obama Administration, Congress, and the mainstream media, is just shocking to me.”

The CIA concluded in a secret assessment that Russia interfered in the U.S. election not merely to mess around with the democratic system, but specifically to help Donald Trump win the presidency, according to a recent report in The Washington Post.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official familiar with the findings. “That’s the consensus view.”

During the election, emails from the Democratic National Committee and the private account of John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, were hacked and released on WikiLeaks. The DNC emails, in particular, caused turmoil within the party. Exchanges in those emails led supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to accuse party officials of tipping the scales for Clinton during the Democratic primary.

Intelligence agencies have concluded that Russian hackers also broke into the Republican National Committee’s computer systems but did not release that information publicly.

On Monday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said he supports an investigation into the hacking, adding that it “defies belief that somehow Republicans in the Senate are reluctant to either review Russian tactics or ignore them.”


McConnell said that he has the “highest confidence in the intelligence community,” saying the CIA is filled with “selfless patriots, many of whom anonymously risk their lives for the American people.”

McConnell’s comments stand in stark contrast to those of Trump, who told “Fox News Sunday” that reports of Russian meddling in the elections were “ridiculous” and an “excuse” to undermine his victory.

“No, I don’t believe that at all,” he said.

“Nobody really knows, and hacking is very interesting,” Trump added. “Once they hack if you don’t catch them in the act you’re not going to catch them. They have no idea if it’s Russia or China or somebody. It could be somebody sitting in a bed someplace. I mean, they have no idea.”

Trump has also rejected daily intelligence briefings, preferring to receive them just once a week. He said he doesn’t need them all the time because he’s “like, a smart person.”

Jason Kander, Missouri’s Democratic secretary of state and a former Army captain in Afghanistan, called Trump’s comments incredibly insulting.


A growing number of senators in both parties are calling for congressional hearings into Russian election interference. Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), John McCain (R-Ariz.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.) and Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) released a joint statement on Sunday urging people not to make it “a partisan issue.”

Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) agreed with their assessment in a tweet Sunday.

Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine) also said they wanted an investigation into the matter.

Morell, who served as acting CIA director during President Barack Obama’s administration, said a bipartisan commission would be beneficial because it would “look into exactly what the Russians did and what we can do here at home to make sure that no foreign government can ever do this again to us.”

“The commission shouldn’t look into what is an unknowable thing ― which is: did they affect the outcome or not ― we’ll never know that. We’ll never know what the Russians did, whether it affected a single vote or not,” he said. “But what we can do is figure out exactly what they did and make changes here at home as to how information is handled, how we protect information, and make sure they never do this again.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mik ... 9c3dfd73cc

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:59 pm
by norton ash
Mac, I've gone full agnostic-exhausted, so I don't want to be specific... but it appears that some are willing to fling specious and agenda-driven shit in the mere interest of keeping a 'debate' going.

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:02 pm
by DrEvil
Elvis » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:54 pm wrote:
DrEvil wrote:Here’s What America Needs to Know About Trump and Russia

My time as the Pentagon’s Russia-watcher suggests we need much more disclosure, and soon.
By Evelyn Farkas December 12, 2016

Interesting article but I can't too much stock in guidance from Evelyn Farkas, the "colleague" of Victoria Nuland. Farkas cites the (presumably) Russian phone tap of Nuland and Geoff Pyatt as a Russian effort to "embrarass" US officials with Nuland's "fuck the EU" remark—ignoring the fact that Nuland and Pyatt were discussing who would and would not be installed in the new Ukraine goverment the U.S. was helping to form after the U.S. er, interfered with Ukraine's democracy.
I've worked in the defense community for the last 20 years
She's soaking in it; I doubt she's even being disingenuous.

As I say, it *is* an interesting article but in no way does it prove Russia hacked the DNC emails.


P.S. Farkas is right about this:
we need much more disclosure, and soon.
I don't agree with a lot of what she says (especially the usual free-market neocon garble), but her main point - more disclosure - is valid in my opinion. And it's not like she's the only one saying this.
All 17 intelligence agencies of the US say Russia fucked with the elections and several independent security analysts say the same thing. They're either all lying, or there's something to what they're saying (and why only leaks from the Dems? Is GOP security so much better that no one could hack them? I seriously doubt it, so why no leaks from them?).

German intelligence is also saying they think Russia will try to interfere in German elections, and Russia has a long history of using cyber-attacks to further their goals.

There's also the simple fact that it's in Russia's interest that Trump is president, and that alone should be enough to warrant a very close look at their activities. If the US thinks it's in their interest that a particular politician somewhere gains power they will try to make it so, dirty tricks included, that's usually the default position on this board. Why should it be any different for Russia?

I'm no fan of the US, and the anti-Russia propaganda is at times hysterical, but I really don't get this love affair some people have with Putin. He's no better.
Have people forgotten the exploding apartment blocks and the Chechen wars, jailed or dead journalists and political opponents, Litvinenko, annexing the Crimea, running his own opposition, banning pro-gay "propaganda", wanting to copy the Chinese firewall etc. ?

The man is a dangerous fascist, just like Donald Trump (except the part about having a brain).

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:02 pm
by Elvis
MacCruiskeen » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:42 pm wrote:
norton ash » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:28 pm wrote:Too many staunch defenders of the indefensible around here these days.
Out of curiosity, norton: Was that ironical? Or if not: What do you mean, exactly, by "defending the indefensible"? Do you mean "defending Trump"? Who's doing that? No one here that I can see.

(Defending the CIA?)

I think there's a feeling among some members that if you don't buy the CIA's assertions, then you support Trump. Along with this, there unfortunately seems to be the perception that posting a different opinion or interpretation of the news constitutes a personal attack. :shrug:

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:06 pm
by Elvis
McConnell said that he has the “highest confidence

:rofl2

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:09 pm
by coffin_dodger
slad, maybe it seemslikeit'sallaboutyou, but it isn't. Mostly, but not all. :rofl2

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:11 pm
by seemslikeadream
seems like you just can't quit me and you are in need of something else to do with your life..go find someone else to buddy up to and then turn on a dime :uncertain:

good thing I didn't take your friendship too seriously and spill the beans

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:14 pm
by Morty
Clinton campaign backs call for intelligence briefing before Electoral College vote

By Gabriel Debenedetti and Kyle Cheney

12/12/16 12:49 PM EST


Hillary Clinton’s top political adviser John Podesta said the campaign is supporting an effort by members of the Electoral College to request an intelligence briefing on foreign intervention in the presidential election.


“The bipartisan electors' letter raises very grave issues involving our national security,” Podesta said in a statement Monday. “Electors have a solemn responsibility under the Constitution and we support their efforts to have their questions addressed.”

“Each day that month, our campaign decried the interference of Russia in our campaign and its evident goal of hurting our campaign to aid Donald Trump,” he said. “Despite our protestations, this matter did not receive the attention it deserved by the media in the campaign. We now know that the CIA has determined Russia's interference in our elections was for the purpose of electing Donald Trump. This should distress every American.”

Podesta's statement is the first public statement from the Clinton campaign raising questions about the legitimacy of Donald Trump's victory.

It follows an open letter from 10 presidential electors — including Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi’s daughter Christine — requesting an intelligence briefing ahead of the Dec. 19 vote of the Electoral College.

Shortly after Podesta's statement, the Democratic National Committee disseminated a POLITICO story that revealed the electors' call for a briefing. Two Democratic members of Congress have also suggested the Electoral College should take an active role in reassessing — or stopping — a Trump presidency.

One of them, Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, told POLITICO on Monday that Trump is a "potentially dangerous president."

"It became clear to me last night that this man is not only unqualified to be president, he’s a danger to the republic," Himes said. "I do think the Electoral College should choose someone other than Donald Trump to be president. That will lead to a fascinating legal issue ... but I would rather have a legal problem — a constitutional legal problem -- then to find out the White House was now the Kremlin’s chief ally."

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:15 pm
by seemslikeadream
oh no Politico ..Nordic is going to be pissed at you too

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:20 pm
by Morty
^^
Shortly after Podesta's statement, the Democratic National Committee disseminated a POLITICO story that revealed the electors' call for a briefing.
I like how they clear it up that they're not in fact working hand in glove with each other, despite appearances.

Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:22 pm
by seemslikeadream
Nordic doesn't like Politico links

and I'm sure he will post a tirade to you about it :roll: