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Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switched: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:43 am
by Grizzly
https://twitter.com/i/events/1266936182803292161
Journalists report being arrested and shot with rubber bullets while covering protests
Journalists reporting on protests have been arrested by police in Minneapolis and New York City, while numerous reports of officers shooting media with rubber bullets or pepper balls continued to emerge in Louisville and Washington DC. These incidents follow the widely reported arrest of CNN reporter @OmarJimenez
on Friday.
Journalists reporting on protests have been arrested by police in Minneapolis and New York City, while numerous reports of officers shooting media with rubber bullets or pepper balls continued to emerge in Louisville and Washington DC. These incidents follow the widely reported arrest of CNN reporter @OmarJimenez
on Friday.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/us/m ... &smtyp=cur
From a television crew assaulted by protesters to a photographer struck in the eye, journalists have found themselves targeted on the streets of America.

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switched: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:10 am
by stickdog99






All we are saying is give knees a chance.

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switched: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:57 am
by Belligerent Savant
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Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switched: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:13 am
by §ê¢rꆧ
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wut. :shock:

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switched: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:45 am
by §ê¢rꆧ
^^ Sorry, I'm new to twitter, maybe got faked out.

I'm starting to feel Reality Apathy set in now....

Deepfakes Are Going To Wreak Havoc On Society. We Are Not Prepared.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robtoews/2 ... 25a7737494
Researcher Aviv Ovadya warns of what she terms “reality apathy”: “It’s too much effort to figure out what’s real and what’s not, so you’re more willing to just go with whatever your previous affiliations are.”

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:25 am
by brekin
While there are no doubt true social precursors to this, and those seeking to manipulate and steer it for various agendas, I'm going to say this is plain old mass psychic contagion after a prolonged enforced period of austerity, isolation, fear, death and uncertainty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... eria_cases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness

That cities are suddenly in flames with an economy already punch drunk and tottering, people are cheek to cheek during a viral pandemic that still hasn't peaked yet, that suddenly every public figure is saying "I don't condone the violence and destruction...BUT I understand why, etc.", people being judged guilty by public officials openly before any trials, is just medieval psychic contagion hooked up to the electronic village high speed fiber. The real existential threat to African American males currently is Covid and inequalities in health care but that is not the narrative the herd wanted for catharsis.

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:35 am
by dada
JackRiddler wrote:
dada » Sun May 31, 2020 12:46 pm wrote:
Why don't you just say what you mean by "organized crime," if you mean anything.

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No, that's okay. I don't mean anything by it.

It's nice to see some optimism around here. Maybe we really can make America great again! haha

Still thinking about that master narrative. The world, she is big. A master narrative would sure have a lot to account for, wouldn't it.

Anyway. Carry on. And if any of you do happen to find the master narrative, please say hi to the master storyteller for me!

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:38 am
by liminalOyster
The real existential threat to African American males currently is Covid and inequalities in health care
Seriously? Tell that to George Floyd et al. COVID and stuctural racism have been a big talking point on signs and in speeches at many protests, actually. People are also vast-majority wearing masks.

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:54 am
by JackRiddler
I just looked up the deaths from past urban riots in the US that lasted for days. LA 1992, nine days, 63 dead. 12,000 arrests!

May 1980, Miami: 3 days, 18 dead

MLK assassination riots, sporadically in April-May '68, "100 cities" - "40+ dead"

July 1967 in Detroit: 6 days, 43 dead
July 1967 in Newark: 6 days, 26 dead
Aug 1967 in Watts/LA: 5 days, 34 dead

In case you're wondering, "dead" in most of these cases means shot in the street by the National Guard because (or on the assumption that) they were engaged in violence or looting, though you won't find pictures of almost any of it as it actually happened, and detailed case protocols with names of shooters were not released that I know of.

RADICAL ERROR, CORRECTION ON EDIT: In the LA uprising of 1992, ALL of the 63 dead during the uprising and riots were killed by the LAPD before the deployment of the National Guard. I will have to check on the other cases. Sorry!

What all of these uprisings/riots have in common is that they began with police shootings or killings or repressive actions.

LA 1992, practically the last year before mass Internet, was of course set off by the exoneration of the police in the Rodney King case. It blew up around the country, including in Minneapolis, but the spread beyond LA was barely covered in the press at the time. Personal view, but the impression among the anarchos at the time was that the stuff outside LA was being repressed to prevent greater spread.

Exceptional, in retrospect is July 1964, Harlem: 6 days, 1 dead. Also set off by a police killing of a high school student, in front of dozens of witnesses. No national guard, barely any tear gas used, only about 400 arrests. Yet treated like the end of the world at the time. Really got the white flight going, and not just in New York. In retrospect, seen as the beginning of the 1960s wave of non-CRM urban uprisings, though that may be NYC-centrism. The rest would likely have happened anyway.

I'd hazard a guess that among other factors bigger uprisings were stimulated by the subsequent escalation of preparations for massive repression and shock-and-awe, with deescalation measures considered a sign of weakness against the forces out to destroy society. A community's pride and reaction to shows of force is always a factor.

Today there's more gear and more COIN planning than ever but much has changed, or appears to have, for the moment. I don't know, maybe the media revolution has made a difference? Or maybe it's the relatively proportionate inclusion of black representatives in local government (they have an official voice even where they don't have that much power)? In any case, segregation is as almost as much a fact of life than ever but black neighborhoods are simply not quasi sealed-off enclaves, as they have been at times in the past. There are fewer places that are completely unmixed or where almost no non-black people venture except for the occupying law enforcement or national guard. Or maybe it's relatively more fear due to surveillance and incarceration, or less desperation from poverty despite the far greater inequality? Or maybe genuine changes in policy, or maybe something else altogether?

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Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:59 am
by Cordelia
Re/ videos of Police taking a knee with protesters.

If spontaneous (or planned) responses on the part of the officers.....very touching.

If departmental planned photo-ops .....very savvy.

If both...

All they are saying...is give p'lice a chance.

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(Imagine there are many, many very pissed-off cops over what Derek Chauvin did.)

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:19 pm
by liminalOyster
Cordelia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:59 am wrote:Re/ videos of Police taking a knee with protesters.

If spontaneous (or planned) responses on the part of the officers.....very touching.

If departmental planned photo-ops .....very savvy.

If both...

All they are saying...is give p'lice a chance.

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(Imagine there are many, many very pissed-off cops over what Derek Chauvin did.)
I've seen tens of tweets from legit Twitter accounts that moments after these photo-ops, these same police returned to beating, tear-gassing, etc. This shit started at the same moment in tons of cities and was clearly (at bare minimum) spread as theater.

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:57 pm
by brekin
liminalOyster » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:38 am wrote:
The real existential threat to African American males currently is Covid and inequalities in health care
Seriously? Tell that to George Floyd et al. COVID and stuctural racism have been a big talking point on signs and in speeches at many protests, actually. People are also vast-majority wearing masks.
Seriously. Death by cop last 5-7 years hovers around 1,100 annually in US, about 3 a day. African Americans around 220-250 of that.

20,000 African Americans dead out of 100 K from Covid just 2-3 months in. But at least you are hearing it in speeches and seeing it on signs at these huge mass gatherings with zero social distancing.

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:58 pm
by Cordelia
^^^
Thanks for the update Liminal.

Shit...but maybe some were sincere (hope springs eternal...).

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:08 pm
by thrulookingglass
Rule through the use of fear, violence, and terror. Worst era/error ever. God's chickens have come home to roost.

Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switched: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:25 pm
by Wombaticus Rex
stickdog99 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:10 am wrote: All we are saying is give knees a chance.