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Elihu » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:09 am wrote:

there has always been the lesser of two evils in this country

nope, it's all been one evil, gettin the job done

yes like abolishing slavery...that was some evil at play there ..

and what the fuck were men thinking giving women the right to vote?

Thought experiment for anyone who wants to partake: if there were ever an actual insurgency of an anti-establishment, anti-deep state, anti-Nazionist cabal, etc, candidate with real 'juice' (meaning no namby-pamby Green or Libertarian outlier candidate) entering the mainstream political arena of the US, what would you imagine it would look like?

i lose if i remain engaged here correct?

anyway glad slavery is not still around

you will only lose if you gamble ...I think you said you don't gamble or am I wrong on that?

so if you do not gamble I guess you can never loose.....do you consider replying to me a gamble?

Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:18 am wrote:Thought experiment for anyone who wants to partake: if there were ever an actual insurgency of an anti-establishment, anti-deep state, anti-Nazionist cabal, etc, candidate with real 'juice' (meaning no namby-pamby Green or Libertarian outlier candidate) entering the mainstream political arena of the US, what would you imagine it would look like?

it could not pass the boundaries of a narrowed down perception on the part of the electorate who are as comforted as much by a system of branding as they are by the charisma of a person. they wouldn't understand and by default revert to the famaliar. tv could not air something like that. they could air a ufo, but not that.

the only thing i would consider real at this point is a state called constitutional convention but that possibility is remote. if ever there was going to be a time of by the people in stead of political affiliation, this is it. i think it will drag on with things getting more and more miserable, until a trauma streamlines (ludicrously, more) the power of the fedgov's chief executive to just have fun.

anyway glad slavery is not still around

who's gambling now?

yes it is true that slavery is still around...it's just so not quite out in the open like it used to be

the shackle thing is so out of fashion

if that's the highest that the best political party can aspire to, well, i just can't get with you on your passion. it means alot to you of course and you are entitled to it.

we live in the reality that is....there is no political solution to our troubled evolution...but we are where we are and we play the game at hand...we are posting here about what is going on in the world ..that's all no more no less

we talk about what is going on in the world...we have opinions ...no solutions ...until our spirit leaves our material bodies



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k8ZW8wr68k

enough about me


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Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:18 pm wrote:Thought experiment for anyone who wants to partake: if there were ever an actual insurgency of an anti-establishment, anti-deep state, anti-Nazionist cabal, etc, candidate with real 'juice' (meaning no namby-pamby Green or Libertarian outlier candidate) entering the mainstream political arena of the US, what would you imagine it would look like?

I would imagine something like a Zeitgeist / Venus Project movement with a very clear, carefully thought through agenda, extremely hi-tech AND hi-touch; whose focus would be multiple iterations of re-engineering the election process itself, a focus on localisation and place-based financial re-engineering a la CAF's Solari model, de-MICing the economy; rolling back (bomb disposal) of the derivatives market.
I think it would have elements of the Paul / Kucinich ticket.

This group won the election in a parallel timeline; it was re-elected for a landslide second term following the treason trials where it was revealed that 9/11 was a US/Israeli/UK/Saudi/Pakistani black op, and the imprisonment of many neocons following the Great Turkish Intel bust of 2009

Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:18 am wrote:Thought experiment for anyone who wants to partake: if there were ever an actual insurgency of an anti-establishment, anti-deep state, anti-Nazionist cabal, etc, candidate with real 'juice' (meaning no namby-pamby Green or Libertarian outlier candidate) entering the mainstream political arena of the US, what would you imagine it would look like?

It would never make it to large-scale/mainstream exposure; the movement -- and its ideals -- would be compromised, infiltrated and/or snuffed out before ever gaining momentum, or otherwise transformed into what would outwardly appear to be 'grassroots' but ultimately driven by other interests.

See Bernie and his now scant role as 'advocate' for Hillary, repeating his (now almost fully ignored by the Bernie Bros) call for supporting Hillary as the 'only sensible' option to TRUMP.

Was Bernie's campaign at one time 'genuine', or was it compromised from the start to play out this script of eventual capitulation?

In any event, the short answer to your question is that those with power/influence simply have too much of both to allow a genuine movement to take hold across the nation. That may change, however; all empires eventually crumble. AND, it is NOTABLE that there is a sense of DESPERATION at play. This entire election cycle -- TRUMP's continued existence as a candidate -- SPEAKS loudly to the awareness among the power brokers that the PLEBES are increasingly frustrated with the status quo and less tolerant of 'politics as usual'. The masses are stirring at near fever-pitch.
It's becoming increasingly arduous to keep such sentiment tamped down. Therein -- eventually -- may lie an opening for our INSURGENCY.

(/fanciful thoughts)

On Edit: since the question was posed hypothetically, a variation of Searcher08's response sounds ideal. Of course, the key would be MASS adoption and collaboration; in-fighting and/or factions would compromise the strength of any movement, needless to say (hence the time/effort dedicated by the letter agencies to infiltrate via COINTELPRO, etc., but since we're sticking to a hypothetical scenario, COINTELPRO and other nefarious tactics wouldn't be considered.... right? Damned reality)

Belligerent Savant » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:26 pm wrote:

Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:18 am wrote:Thought experiment for anyone who wants to partake: if there were ever an actual insurgency of an anti-establishment, anti-deep state, anti-Nazionist cabal, etc, candidate with real 'juice' (meaning no namby-pamby Green or Libertarian outlier candidate) entering the mainstream political arena of the US, what would you imagine it would look like?

It would never make it to large-scale/mainstream exposure; the movement -- and its ideals -- would be compromised, infiltrated and/or snuffed out before ever gaining momentum, or otherwise transformed into what would outwardly appear to be 'grassroots' but ultimately driven by other interests.

See Bernie and his now scant role as 'advocate' for Hillary, repeating his (now almost fully ignored by the Bernie Bros) call for supporting Hillary as the 'only sensible' option to TRUMP.

Was Bernie's campaign at one time 'genuine', or was it compromised from the start to play out this script of eventual capitulation?

In any event, the short answer to your question is that those with power/influence simply have too much of both to allow a genuine movement to take hold across the nation. That may eventually change, however; all empires eventually crumble. AND, it is NOTABLE that there is a sense of DESPERATION at play. This entire election cycle -- TRUMP's continued existence as a candidate -- SPEAKS loudly to the increased awareness among the power brokers that the PLEBES are increasingly frustrated with the status quo and less tolerant of 'politics as usual'. The masses are stirring at near fever-pitch.
It's becoming increasingly arduous to keep such sentiment tamped down. Therein -- eventually -- may lie an opening for our INSURGENCY.

(/fanciful thoughts)

I agree " that those with power/influence simply have too much of both to allow a genuine movement to take hold across the nation", and I would add, world. However, I believe that the reason why their power/influence is so strong is because it's been gathering strength for thousands of years. In other words, "thee empire" never really crashes, it merely transforms itself. The "crash" is the smoke and mirrors they use while they change from one place, form, appearance, structure, or type to another...when the current model becomes outdated due to population growth, ecological change, new technology, etc.

Yes, "The Empire Never Ended". Philip K Dick was/is right.

NeonLX » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:13 pm wrote:Yes, "The Empire Never Ended". Philip K Dick was/is right.

what I can't understand is why it seems to be so verboten here to talk about how bad trump is?

I've never seen this happen with anyone else...I can see the view that he's not that bad....but not that bad so stop talking about him?