The Syria Thread 2011 - Present

[Mulligan]

Yeah, I definitely drew first Alex Jones blood.

I just find it hard to believe that that no gas attack occurred when literally no one involved with this mess is saying that. You can disagree on the details, whether or not the nerve agents came from the bombing of a stockpile, obviously, but "it's just White Helmet videos again" is a lazy argument. We know there were Assad planes, we know they dropped *something*, and we know there are dead people who show signs consistent with nerve agents.

Again, no one is disputing those details outside of people on the internet.

[Rory]

I remain skeptical of anything coming from Al Qaeda sources. Period. To use a pop reference, I've seen Wag the Dog, and this event appears to be hoping to get certain favorable outcomes that benefit the takfiri headchoppers, their shadowy royal donors, and various western intel/military/thinktank persons.

It does not appear to benefit the incumbent (and still internationally recognized, legitimate government) or their anti headchopper terrorist allies.

Given form, precedent, and general cui bono reading of the tea leaves, color me not impressed with the footage and outcry. It's such a lovely feeling that you have to be this cynical about an event like this. We live in most interesting times.

[Mulligan]

It's such a lovely feeling that you have to be this cynical about an event like this. We live in most interesting times.

That I can agree with.

[seemslikeadream]

Good rundown of the available evidence so far here:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/20 ... dence-far/

There's no direct evidence that Assad ordered chemical attacks, but...

1) Assad aircraft committed airstrikes. This was confirmed by the UN and admitted by Russia and the Assad regime.

2) These airstrikes were at the same location of the sarin gas casualties.

3) These airstrikes happened at the same time as the sarin gas casualties.

4) Assad aircraft subsequently conducted air strikes on medical facilities treating the sarin gas victims.

The Alex Jones blame-it-on-the-White-Helmets crowd doesn't really ring true based on reports on the ground, unless the White Helmets are flying Assad planes now.

Mulligan, if you don't mind, I'm going to re post your first post, and highlight something for all to see.


Did you see that. in bold: The Alex Jones blame-it-on-the-White-Helmets crowd

Can I get a humble apology from Senator?

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Hold your breath on that one Mr. non voting non American living in California. (Your words not mine) Have YOU. EVER apologized to me for the over 50 times you personally attacked me or for breaking the agreement we had after just a couple of days that you would no longer reply to me after I agreed to your terms? I would love to have a hit of what you are smoking cause I have never had anything that good. Yea you know what you can do with that request, I don't apologize to someone I disrespect so very much. See how you like words being put in your mouth for a change, just deal with it like I have had to do for the last 8 months

[Wombaticus Rex]

Hold your breath on that one Mr. non voting non American living in California. (Your words not mine) Have YOU. EVER apologized to me for the over 50 times you personally attacked me or for breaking the agreement we had after just a couple of days that you would no longer reply to me after I agreed to your terms? I would love to have a hit of what you are smoking cause I have never had anything that good. Yea you know what you can do with that request, I don't apologize to someone I disrespect so very much. See how you like words being put in your mouth for a change, just deal with it like I have had to do for the last 8 months

Let's stop doing this kind of shit alllllltogether. Thanks.

This is not a writing prompt about why you what you did. I'm just asking you to stop. For all our sakes.

[Rory]

Check out @SenJohnMcCain's Tweet: https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/statu ... 77187?s=09

#NEVERTRUMP, unless he bombs assad, in which case #WE❤TRUMP

[Mulligan]

ISTANBUL — The poison used in the deadly chemical bomb attack in a rebel-held part of northern Syria this week was the banned nerve agent sarin, the Turkish Health Ministry said in a statement on Thursday.

The statement from Turkey, where many of the stricken Syrians were taken after the assault on Tuesday, was the most specific about the cause.

“According to the results of preliminary tests,” the statement said, “patients were exposed to chemical material (Sarin).”

Western countries have accused the Syrian government of the chemical attack, one of the worst so far in the six-year-old Syria war. Syria has repeatedly denied responsibility.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/worl ... syria.html

[Rory]

So you know it's a pack of lies for certain now. Can't be sarin (or those unprotected al qeada helmets first responders would be ded ded ded). And Turkey provided the analysis? LoL Ok, it must be the truth.

It's so predictable. Trump says no removing syrian government, then a horrific atrocity framing assad, followed by Trump saying he's going to respond and bomb (and all the #nevertrumper warmongers moistening their underwear). I mean, what are the odds that assad shoots himself in the foot like this. God bless the coincidence theory, narrative of geopolitical affairs

[norton ash]

#nevertrumper warmongers? Like John McCain? Or is there a huge contingent of tweeters who hate Trump and really want a war with Russia at that hashtag? Seems to me it'd be a pretty small crowd.

[Mulligan]

Can't be sarin (or those unprotected al qeada helmets first responders would be ded ded ded).

OBJECTIVES: A nerve agent sarin (isopropyl methyl phosphonofluoridate) was released in Matsumoto city, Japan, on 27 June 1994. About 600 people were affected by the sarin, including seven who died. Fifty two rescuers engaged in helping the victims and 18 were affected. The aim was to investigate how the rescuers were affected by sarin.

METHODS: Health examinations and a questionnaire survey were conducted with all rescuers.

RESULTS: A rescuer who was one of the first engaged and who worked for about five hours in areas contaminated with sarin was admitted to hospital after poisoning; the others did not consult doctors although they showed slight muscarinic symptoms. The later the rescuers started their work, the less likely they were to experience symptoms of sarin exposure, and no one starting work 270 minutes after the original release of sarin was affected. The symptoms of exposure included ocular pain, darkness of visual field, nausea, vomiting, headache, rhinorrhea, narrowing of visual field, sore throat, fatigue, and dyspnoea, which were similar to those reported by the citizens who were sarin victims. There were no rescuers who had abnormal physical or neurological signs associated with sarin at the time of the physical examination conducted three weeks after the sarin release. A year after the sarin incident, the symptoms of all the rescuers had resolved.

CONCLUSIONS: Rescuers should protect themselves with appropriate clothing, gloves, and a mask to prevent a secondary disaster for at least 24 hours after a similar accident.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/9404315/

[Mulligan]

A full investigation is necessary, but to completely write off the possibility that Assad is behind this doesn't seem very thorough.

[Rory]

Assad: Hmm, winning the war comfortably, albeit slowly. With key assistance from my allies, takfiri headchoppers are on the run, their alliances in disarray. Going to Geneva soon for talks where I hold almost all the negotiating leverage, "decisive facts on the ground". Trump has just said my position is not up for debate. Key enemies struggling, from hemmed in and isolated Kurds, to Turkey floundering in their invasion offensives.

I know *grins evilly* lets create the circumstances for widespread international condemnation of my regime. We need dead, and suffering children galore. Let's use CHEMICAL WEAPONS BWAHAHAHAHA.

To make this the perfect crime, lets attack Al Qaeda Helmet positions and ensure the maximum PR calamity on myself. Their cameras, and links to western media agencies will ensure peak horror impact upon the unsuspecting global audience. With uniform calls to end my regime anew, and heightened risk of Trump being pushed into starting WWIII right in my back yard, nothing can stop me this time

*cue laughter fading to pictures of Al Qaeda actors writhing in mock pain on director command

[Nordic]

A full investigation is necessary, but to completely write off the possibility that Assad is behind this doesn't seem very thorough.

Mulligan, you're gonna fit right in to the New RI 2.0! --Controlled Opposition Edition!

Spreading bullshit from Turkey and the White Helmets.

Good lord. Next you'll be quoting the Washington Post.

What seems to have actually happened is that the Syrian Army, who is winning, bombed a munitions dump where the terrorists (do not use the word "rebels" or youre a stinking liar) were making chemical bombs.

That is what Russia is saying and what journalists (real ones) in Damascus are reporting.

The timing is rather convenient for the Evil Empire (us) and the terrorists.

Also rather convenient being a day after the bombing atrocity in St Petersburg.

McCain is having a very good week. Probably doesn't even need his triple dose of viagra.

[Mulligan]

A full investigation is necessary, but to completely write off the possibility that Assad is behind this doesn't seem very thorough.

What seems to have actually happened is that the Syrian Army, who is winning, bombed a munitions dump where the terrorists (do not use the word "rebels" or youre a stinking liar) were making chemical bombs.

That is what Russia is saying and what journalists (real ones) in Damascus are reporting.

Which real journalists would that be? You'll notice that I've already posted what Russia is claiming, but am I understanding you correctly that Russia is to be 100% believed on all things Syria?

You know, just because one doesn't support Assad's regime or Putin doesn't automatically mean we're hankering for war against Russia. We are allowed to be critical of Assad and Russia here, correct?

[Wombaticus Rex]

A full investigation is necessary, but to completely write off the possibility that Assad is behind this doesn't seem very thorough.

This is not a remotely controversial statement.

Nordic, you've made your mind up and you've got your narrative. Other people not agreeing with your personal curation of data points should come as no surprise -- and doesn't represent any kind of moral shortcoming on their part.

"Wait and see" is almost never bad advice.

Neither, for that matter, is "calm the fuck down."