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solace » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:08 pm wrote:
As long as there are regular posters who support assholes like Atzmon, Icke and all the other sketchy bastards they do, "anti-fascist board," is just a saying. Or maybe a vague goal.

Sadly, true...

you don't contribute any thing here solace but call people fucking anti-semites so why are you here? You don't bring anything to this board but calling people names I don't understand what you are doing here...you never post anything new or different...never a positive post about anything ...you never bring anything to the table but post in AD's threads just to complain about other posters that are ruining the board for you but you don't contribute a damn thing...WHY ARE YOU HERE? I have not seen one post of yours that brings anything of value here...you pop in to call people names and then leave..you are a one note poster...just like AD....Jeff did not leave you in charge of this board ...you are not a mod..you do not own this board...leave the moderation of this board to the mods...they are in charge...quit pretending to oversee this place ...it is not your job

if someone here is an anti-semite Jeff would have them gone in a second...Jeff has known me for over 10 years ...he knows I am not a fucking anti-semite like you have called me several times...why are you calling into question Jeff's understanding of who I am? Why are you deciding your opinion here means more than Jeff's....why do you think you know more than Jeff does Why do you think Jeff is an idiot?

your false concern for this place makes me want to puke

American Dream » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:41 pm wrote:

solace » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:08 pm wrote:
As long as there are regular posters who support assholes like Atzmon, Icke and all the other sketchy bastards they do, "anti-fascist board," is just a saying. Or maybe a vague goal.

Sadly, true...

Here is one I wrote at the end of last year:


The Revolution will not be reductionised

The Revolution will not be reductionised
or delivered by those who trumpet
what is acceptable to read
or what boundaries are grey or dangerous
or have not met
Your secret acceptability Imprimatur

The Revolution will not be won
or pamphletted or earnestly critiqued
in your elitist reading groups
populated by those who speak
the self-indulgent wankery of critical theory
or your self-righteous smarmy smear-and-run

Because the Revolution that will come
will not be acceptable
It will not conform to any of your past-based analysis
Because the Revolution will be
Presence facing the arrival of the Unknown
at a breakneck speed
that will far exceed
the bizzarroworld driving
by looking only
in the rear view mirror of history
instead of noticing what the fuck you are doing NOW


It will not be run by more and different
vanilla bureaucrats of -ists and- isms and anti's-
nor apparatchik arbiters of acceptability

It is inherently offensive and uncontrolled and
collaborative and constructive and creative
and designed as we fucking go

And the first unemployed police
shall be the fucking thought police
redundant reductionists
of the poisonously perceived
and paradigmatically problematic

I am so bored with anti-fascism.

solace » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:08 pm wrote:

American Dream » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:55 pm wrote:From what we have seen today, our new friend does not deny supporting Keith Preston/ATS, which all the antifascists I respect agree is an odious, racist/fascist sort of site.

That said, there is certainly a big kernel of truth in what peartreed says: Life shouldn't have to be this hard, that this is an anti-fascist board should be respected and easily sustained- and we should be able to do great things here, in accordance with the very positive example of Jeff Wells himself.

As long as there are regular posters who support assholes like Atzmon, Icke and all the other sketchy bastards they do, "anti-fascist board," is just a saying. Or maybe a vague goal.

What are your goals here solace? What goals do you ascribe to? I ask this because I have NEVER seen one post from you about anything....zero...nada...zilch...you never promote anything but hate for LONG TIME MEMBERS here....we have been here a very long time ...every time you make false accusations/LIES about us you are spitting in Jeff's face...like he is an idiot for keeping us around...Do you think you are smarter than Jeff? Do you think you are more intelligent than the mods?

Just what are your goals? Other than to trash me....I have been here since day one...I have known Jeff before this board came into being....stop the trash talk...every time you open your mouth you prove just how much you do not know ....you have no currency..period.

after almost 3 years of being here solace...and posting the same crap over and over ..it's getting really old

coffin_dodger » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:04 pm wrote:. I am so bored with anti-fascism.

Yes, well this is the problem. It has been paraded in front of people's eyes so frequently that it's becoming humdrum, especially when an intelligent examination repeatedly reveals very little.

It's almost like there's a method at work here.

jakell » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:13 pm wrote:

coffin_dodger » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:04 pm wrote:. I am so bored with anti-fascism.

Yes, well this is the problem. It has been paraded in front of people's eyes so frequently that it's becoming humdrum, especially when an intelligent examination repeatedly reveals very little.

Taking this seriously would be like (earnestly) listening to a pyromaniac's advice on fire prevention

I love how AD equates a poster on RI to Washington supported fascist Svoboda party leader Oleh Tyahnybok

This is getting too silly- taking a break from it all...

solace » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:08 pm wrote: As long as there are regular posters who support assholes like Atzmon, Icke and all the other sketchy bastards they do, "anti-fascist board," is just a saying. Or maybe a vague goal.

Are there really forum members here who "support" those people? Or are you referring to people who reference them and/or their statements? Is this considered support?

“By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.”

The above is a quote from Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf (according to Google references).

The quote also happens to be a true statement.

If I decide to reference a true statement which happens to have been said by an a$$hole, does this mean I "support" that person?

Must I add a clause in any instance where I might reference this quote that 'I do not condone Hitler's actions'? If I fail to add this clause, does this mean I am supporting Hitler?

Or instead, is it just understood by thinking people that even the worst of us might say factually correct, wise, or even kind words from time to time in our pathetic existence?

I can't help but perceive bullying taking place within this battle against fascism, an attempt to dominate and dictate discussion. Perhaps I am seeing this incorrectly, but it appears that way.

Before I came to this site, I was unaware that Icke was some sort of fascist. This isn't surprising since I don't know a great deal about him beyond some youtube videos, as he is not that interesting to me. He's perhaps said a handful of things that I'd consider to be factual, but his intense and zealous "guru" personality was definitely a put-off for me.

If I were to have discovered on my own that he said some anti-semitic things, for example, is the idea here that my opinions are so malleable that I would simply go along with it because he said one or two true statements at some point in time?

Do I need a group of 'idea guardians' to protect me and my fragile sense of morality?

It's really unlikely that I'd ever quote Icke because any factual thing that he's said has been said better by someone else, but if I were to reference him because a particular quote happened to fit the circumstance for some reason, would this mean that I am now his supporter?

I would like to better understand the stance of people on this site, because honestly it seems really strange. What I would expect to see here is a group of people finding a sense of camaraderie amongst one another because of our mutual deep interests in unconventional subjects, but instead it seems like a bunch of people suspicious of one another. I honestly don't get it.

I've seen forums with a lot of racism and homophobia and religious fanaticism and other objectionable material (such as GLP), and with that point of reference, this place really seems like a flowery meadow in comparison.

And yet by some of the posts here you would think that SS officers are hiding in the rafters.

Is this really the case? How did this begin? Did someone start a racist or anti-semitic thread back in the past and it just set everyone off? Because I just can't seem to see this secret fascist undercurrent running beneath the discussions on this forum.

Or is this simply a case of personality clashes being expressed through a conveniently exploitable social issue that tends to heighten animosities?

Encyclopedia Brown, where are you when we need you?

You are quite correct in the above, the word 'support' has been repeatedly used in an extremely elastic fashion, to suggest stronger connections.

As to the stance of people on RI, I'm not sure how familiar you are with general forum dynamics (or sound), but what you are seeing here IMO are echoes that are artificially attenuated and drowning out current signals.

WR started a good thread on the state of the forum, amongst other things, which people keep bumping, but not really adding to:

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=36405

BrandonD » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:45 am wrote:

solace » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:08 pm wrote: As long as there are regular posters who support assholes like Atzmon, Icke and all the other sketchy bastards they do, "anti-fascist board," is just a saying. Or maybe a vague goal.

Are there really forum members here who "support" those people? Or are you referring to people who reference them and/or their statements? Is this considered support?

I've grown very tired of the poor quality of the conversation here, so I'll say only this: solace has pointed you in a meaningful direction and jakell- given the evidence of his post above- at best, hardly has a clue.

American Dream » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:12 am wrote: solace has pointed you in a meaningful direction and jakell- given the evidence of his post above- at best, hardly has a clue.[/size]

solace has never pointed out anything meaningful in the whole time he/she has been at RI...unless you consider name calling consequential

you want meaningful...I'll give you meaningful.........

AmericanDream
It is not the kind of history most would like to repeat.

...but Americans are enabling the repeat.....handing out donuts to the fascists


note ...jarell wasn't personally there handing out cookies contray to AD's accusations...it was AMERICANS handing out those billions of dollars...YOUR tax dollars

Anonymous Ukraine Klitschko e-mails and Nuland/Pyatt dialogue prove US-backed coup

Victoria Nuland Admits: US Has Invested $5 Billion In The Development of Ukrainian, "Democratic Institutions"

Is “regime change” in Ukraine the bridge too far for the neoconservative “regime changers” of Official Washington and their sophomoric “responsibility-to-protect” (R2P) allies in the Obama administration? Have they dangerously over-reached by pushing the putsch that removed duly-elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych?

Published on Sunday, March 2, 2014 by Consortium News
Ukraine: One ‘Regime Change’ Too Many?
We know that thanks to neocon prima donna Victoria Nuland, now Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs, who seemed intent on giving new dimension to the “cookie-pushing” role of U.S. diplomats. Recall the photo showing Nuland in a metaphor of over-reach, as she reached deep into a large plastic bag to give each anti-government demonstrator on the square a cookie before the putsch.

More important, recall her amateurish, boorish use of an open telephone to plot regime change in Ukraine with a fellow neocon, U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt. Crass U.S. interference in Ukrainian affairs can be seen (actually, better, heard) in an intercepted conversation posted on YouTube on Feb. 4.

Yikes! It’s Yats!

Nuland was recorded as saying: “Yats is the guy. He’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the guy you know. … Yats will need all the help he can get to stave off collapse in the ex-Soviet state. He has warned there is an urgent need for unpopular cutting of subsidies and social payments before Ukraine can improve.”

And guess what. The stopgap government formed after the coup designated Nuland’s guy Yats, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, prime minister! What luck! Yats is 39 and has served as head of the central bank, foreign minister and economic minister. And, as designated pinch-hitter-prime-minister, he has already talked about the overriding need for “responsible government,” one willing to commit “political suicide,” as he put it, by taking unpopular social measures.

U.S. meddling has been so obvious that at President Barack Obama’s hastily scheduled Friday press conference on Ukraine, Yats’s name seemed to get stuck in Obama’s throat. Toward the end of his scripted remarks, which he read verbatim, the President said: “Vice President Biden just spoke with Prime Minister [pause] – the prime minister of Ukraine to assure him that in this difficult moment the United States supports his government’s efforts and stands for the sovereignty, territorial integrity and democratic future of Ukraine.”

Obama doesn’t usually stumble like that – especially when reading a text, and is normally quite good at pronouncing foreign names. Perhaps he worried that one of the White House stenographic corps might shout out, “You mean our man, Yats?” Obama departed right after reading his prepared remarks, leaving no opportunity for such an outburst.

Meet Neocon “Doughnut Dolly” Victoria Nuland

Oligarchs Triumphant: Ukraine, Omidyar and the Neo-Liberal Agenda


National Endowment for Democracy

American Dream » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:12 pm wrote:

BrandonD » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:45 am wrote:

solace » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:08 pm wrote: As long as there are regular posters who support assholes like Atzmon, Icke and all the other sketchy bastards they do, "anti-fascist board," is just a saying. Or maybe a vague goal.

Are there really forum members here who "support" those people? Or are you referring to people who reference them and/or their statements? Is this considered support?

I've grown very tired of the poor quality of the conversation here, so I'll say only this: solace has pointed you in a meaningful direction and jakell- given the evidence of his post above- at best, hardly has a clue.

For myself, American Dream referring to Solace's Tweet-sized crypto-rants as 'providing a meaningful direction', the train from BizarroWorld has finally left the station.

Solace's Post Number 1; My BOLD

solace
Post subject: Re: Who Killed Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri?
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:50 pm

Israel again. Where do they find the time?

Always works to set the tone at the start.

my bold

solace » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:37 pm wrote:

seemslikeadream » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:35 pm wrote:let's see what changed?

1948?

slad...apologizing for Jew hate since forever.

Normal anti-racist people condemn it; not try and offer reasons for it.