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8bitagent » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:43 pm wrote:No sign of pre planned flight route change
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/world/asi ... nes-plane/

They let idiots like that fly planes? Scary.

8bitagent » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:05 pm wrote:

Lord Balto » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:54 am wrote:

Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:24 am wrote:

...the plane was electronically hijacked, that someone may have snuck to the bottom of the plane and hacked the computers...

You're overthinking this. Why would one need to sneak into the belly of the aircraft to hack it? RIsk death when they could hack in with their laptop from the comfort of first class while enjoying a cocktail?

Why is everyone dismissing the obvious "pilot did it" scenario? After all, he's the one with the flight simulator. What's he "simulating"? And if he has state (or regional) sponsors, all of this searching is for naught. The plane's already in a hangar or otherwise disguised.

The older main pilot Shah is where most of the focus is. Though it's been reported this morning that a search of his email, home flight simulator, belongings, house and talking to close friends that nothing seems out of the ordinary. So if he planned this thing, he somehow scrubbed any trace of it. And the only possible scenario would be he either locked out or killed the co pilot, and depressurized the entire plane to kill/make people unconscious...all for some very unknown reason. This seems to be the main working theory. No way would both these cats have been in on it, since they were randomly assigned to be together.

Lord Balto » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:05 am wrote:

jingofever » Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:47 am wrote:As you should have been anticipating, Malaysian officials have now decided that the "all right, good night" came before the equipment was shut off. And CNN says:

The phrase "good night" is the radio parlance used by pilots when executing a handover from one airspace to another, Quest said.
"That is normal. That happens a gazillion times," Quest said. " 'All right, good night' is a pleasantry at the end of radio communication."

As for the co-pilot, the pilot would only need to wait for him to use the bathroom and lock him out of the cabin and he could then do whatever he pleased with the plane, like take it for one last joyride and fly the way you are only allowed to fly in simulators.

Or deliver it to the state-sponsored preplanned location where it is now safety stashed in a hangar and safe from the prying eyes of the world's satellite operators. Do these yokels really think that an organzied theft of a 777 would not foresee the need for hiding the plane once it was on the ground?

Just trying to think what dictatorship with an army needs to go to elaborate ends to get a civilian non military passenger plane? As I don't doubt some of these countries are holding back the true scope of their radar.
Warring countries India and Pakistan are helping, even the head of the Taliban apparently gave a press statement. Isn't there a bunch of atoll islands ungoverned somewhere on the flight path? Tho I cant imagine a successful landing.

I'm not going to itemize every assumption you are making here. Let's just say that if someone had an assumption meter they would have to turn it down to low to avoid going nuts from the noise.

today's biscuit crumbs


"Well over a week after the disappearance of flight MH370 - which now is the longest official disappearance of a modern jet in aviation history - with no official trace of the missing plane yet revealed, the investigation, which as we reported over the weekend has focused on the pilots and specifically on Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, earlier today revealed that on his home-made flight simulator had been loaded five Indian Ocean practice runways, among which those of Male in the Maldives, that of the US owned base at Sergio Garcia, as well as other runways in India and Sri Lanka - all notable runways as all are possible landing spots based on the flight's potential trajectories ...

the Maldives news is of particular note since earlier today, Haaveru Online, quoted locals who said they had seen a "low flying jet" whose description is approximate to what flight MH370 looked like. From the source:

Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a "low flying jumbo jet" at around 6:15am on March 8.
They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.
Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.
"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly," said an eyewitness.
"It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too."
...
A local aviation expert told Haveeru that it is "likely" for MH370 to have flown over the Maldives. The possibility of any aircraft flying over the island at the reported time is extremely low, the expert added.

So did the pilot hijack the plane, reprogram the flight path, turn off the transponder, and fly low above the surface and below radar all the way to the Maldives, or alternatively, US airbase, Diego Garcia, where Captain Shah promptly offloaded 20+ tons of still unknown cargo?
...
Expect the US military to have zero official comments on the matter, and even less if indeed MH370 landed there, or merely used the base as a transit stop on its route further west, potentially to Africa.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-1 ... ed-summary




i also noted that there were some Russian passengers on board, i wonder if there was anyone important, anyone the US might want to chat with in the privacy of Diego Garcia over any current issues

smiths » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:27 am wrote:


So did the pilot hijack the plane, reprogram the flight path, turn off the transponder, and fly low above the surface and below radar all the way to the Maldives, or alternatively, US airbase, Diego Garcia, where Captain Shah promptly offloaded 20+ tons of still unknown cargo?

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/mala ... s-airlines

Hadn't heard about the cargo angle but really, tons of mangosteens? On a commercial flight?

Here's a different take from an experienced pilot: all that happened from Shaw and the co-pilot was trying to save a doomed plane. Somehow the communication was lost, and they tried to
do a few things to salvage it. Least, the most innocent explanation
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/flight-mh3 ... -ck-153416

Of course wouldn't make sense of a deliberate transponder turnoff nor any radio communication not happening

smiths » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:27 pm wrote:today's biscuit crumbs


"Well over a week after the disappearance of flight MH370 - which now is the longest official disappearance of a modern jet in aviation history - with no official trace of the missing plane yet revealed, the investigation, which as we reported over the weekend has focused on the pilots and specifically on Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, earlier today revealed that on his home-made flight simulator had been loaded five Indian Ocean practice runways, among which those of Male in the Maldives, that of the US owned base at Sergio Garcia, as well as other runways in India and Sri Lanka - all notable runways as all are possible landing spots based on the flight's potential trajectories ...

the Maldives news is of particular note since earlier today, Haaveru Online, quoted locals who said they had seen a "low flying jet" whose description is approximate to what flight MH370 looked like. From the source:

Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a "low flying jumbo jet" at around 6:15am on March 8.
They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.
Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.
"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly," said an eyewitness.
"It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too."
...
A local aviation expert told Haveeru that it is "likely" for MH370 to have flown over the Maldives. The possibility of any aircraft flying over the island at the reported time is extremely low, the expert added.

So did the pilot hijack the plane, reprogram the flight path, turn off the transponder, and fly low above the surface and below radar all the way to the Maldives, or alternatively, US airbase, Diego Garcia, where Captain Shah promptly offloaded 20+ tons of still unknown cargo?
...
Expect the US military to have zero official comments on the matter, and even less if indeed MH370 landed there, or merely used the base as a transit stop on its route further west, potentially to Africa.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-1 ... ed-summary

i also noted that there were some Russian passengers on board, i wonder if there was anyone important, anyone the US might want to chat with in the privacy of Diego Garcia over any current issues

Considering when this "sighting" came to light, I would suspect that, as in many UFO "sightings," what we are looking at is a series of realistic dreams remembered as reality. Beyond the UFO literature, there is a "sighting" of the Shanksville plane on 9/11 that fits the same pattern, in that the observation doesn't fit with the other data.

SonicG » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:38 pm wrote:

smiths » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:27 am wrote:


So did the pilot hijack the plane, reprogram the flight path, turn off the transponder, and fly low above the surface and below radar all the way to the Maldives, or alternatively, US airbase, Diego Garcia, where Captain Shah promptly offloaded 20+ tons of still unknown cargo?

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/mala ... s-airlines

Hadn't heard about the cargo angle but really, tons of mangosteens? On a commercial flight?

The two suggestions I have read--and neither of these is terribly well documented--relate to the supposed cordoning off of part of the cabin due to the presence of excess weight in the cargo hold. The two candidates for what was in the hold are,

1) Gold, part of the current unquenchable thirst for the metal by both the Chinese government (perhaps as part of their future conversion to the gold standard) and the civilian population. One poster claimed (again unsubstantiated) that all flights to China contain gold.
2) Advanced electronics related to the employees of Freescale who were on the plane, electronics.that someone either wanted to keep out of the hands of the Chinese or wanted for themselves--or both.

Again, take this with a Kg of salt.

8bitagent » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:14 am wrote:Here's a different take from an experienced pilot: all that happened from Shaw and the co-pilot was trying to save a doomed plane. Somehow the communication was lost, and they tried to
do a few things to salvage it. Least, the most innocent explanation
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/flight-mh3 ... -ck-153416

Of course wouldn't make sense of a deliberate transponder turnoff nor any radio communication not happening

No radio communication would be understandable. Turning off the transponder, not so much. And the change of direction after the incident, less so. I can see the autopilot keeping the plane in the air, a la Payne Stewart, but coincidentally over untracked territory--not impossible but rather unlikely. I still think the plane's in a hangar somewhere in Central Asia with its cargo of gold or electronics. Are the passengers still alive? One would hope so, but I'm not terribly optimistic. After all, what does one do with witnesses to an international and possibly state sponsored act of theft of a commercial airliner and its cargo?

Plane swapping, depressurization used to kill everyone on board, remote control takeover, people from a tech company of interest among the passengers, multiple hijack candidates among the passengers, did the pilot(s) do it, transponder games, there was no plane, vicsims, belated sightings, it's really about the gold... why does this seem so familiar, and yet so distant? Did I miss any posts about military exercises or radar blip injects? Where was John O'Neil? Here's a vote for serial takeovers by competing factions and snakes on the plane.

The Malaysian government is now claiming that files were erased from the pilot's flight simulator.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10704769/Malaysian-Airlines-MH370-live.html

One wonders how many days it will take these junior Sherlocks to figure out it's possible to retrieve such erased files.

Not that there's necessarily anything strange about deleting files. One has to think it takes a good deal of disk space to run a homemade flight simulator program.

JackRiddler » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:36 am wrote:Plane swapping, depressurization used to kill everyone on board, remote control takeover, people from a tech company of interest among the passengers, multiple hijack candidates among the passengers, did the pilot(s) do it, transponder games, there was no plane, vicsims, belated sightings, it's really about the gold... why does this seem so familiar, and yet so distant? Did I miss any posts about military exercises or radar blip injects? Where was John O'Neil? Here's a vote for serial takeovers by competing factions and snakes on the plane.

Familiar because people tend to go out on a limb when there's no data. And you left out UFOs and space aliens!

But seriously, there are some obvious differences. This is not your standard false flag operation, in that there are no obvious casualties meant to incite the populace into a war frenzy. There may be missing gold, as there was in the WTC, but that's still not confirmed. And there are no suspicious phone calls that continued after the plane supposedly crashed, though there's a bit of misinformation floating about concerning the reasons for cell phones "ringing"--they don't; it just sounds that way. On 9/11, the ACARS shows one of the planes still in the air 30 minutes after it supposedly crashed--ignored by the government conspiracy theorists--whereas here the ACARS is taken as holy writ--the ACARS says the plane was still in the air so it "must" be true. If there's one thing governments do well, it's holding differing data to different standards. As for military exercises, there appear to have been none: another difference. The injected signals on 9/11 were part of the exercises, so, no, in this case there were no voluntary injects (on the part of the Malaysians), and the Thai data would appear to confirm this, so the plane really did change direction.

Multiple hijack candidates? Not that I am aware of. So far, everyone looks relatively clean. Fake passports are common. And the electronics guys, as far as anyone knows, wanted to get to Beijing. Not that there's a whole lot of evidence for actual Arabs on any of the planes on 9/11, just a suspicious list "found" by the FBI, but there's still no parallel. Most of the passengers were Chinese, and the few Malaysians were not part of any fanatical group. Tropical Moslems tend to be a lot less doctrinaire than their desert co-religionists. Keep in mind that many of the rules of Islam derive from a desert environment, for example, not eating pigs, which eat the same scarce food as humans.

Bottom line: this looks like a "legitimate" hijacking, if there is such a thing. Did the plane hide behind another plane going toward Central Asia? Did it land in the deserts of Western Australia? Did it land at sea and transfer its cargo to a waiting ship? I don't know. My Ouija board is busted, and I need a physical object to do psychometry.

Australia's MSM goes full-on LOOSE-CHANGE 911 Conspiracy on us ...

Could MH370 have been ‘swapped’ mid-air?
ROB WAUGH
Yahoo! News
March 19, 2014
...
Aircraft expert Ian Black previously worked as a fighter weapons instructor for the Malaysian Air Force, and is the author of two Haynes Manuals for aircraft, the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom Manual and the RAF Tornado Manual. He flew the Tornado ADV in the first Gulf War and over Kosovo. He is now an A340 Airbus captain with Virgin Atlantic.

Could the aircraft have been ‘swapped’ mid-air?

Generally air traffic radars use something called a “Squawk” code – this is 4 digits, say ’1234′ – that is then used to transmit information to the ground radar of the aircraft’s position and other relevant detail. This is very easily disabled – it is operated with a simple on/off switch. The Boeing 777 has two separate systems for safety in the event of failure.

There is another angle which I think might be a possibility that the MH370 switched codes. If MH370 had a code of, say 4376, then it would be pretty easy to get another aircraft, say a Gulfstream 5 private jet, to fly up behind it and swap codes. The Gulfstream sets its squawk code to the same as MH370′s code of 4376 then the B777 takes on the Gulfstream’s code, and they then split… It would certainly make it easier for the B777 to continue on undetected.

Full article here
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/220486 ... d-mid-air/

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9/11: The Big Lie

elfismiles » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:33 am wrote:Australia's MSM goes full-on LOOSE-CHANGE 911 Conspiracy on us ...

Could MH370 have been ‘swapped’ mid-air?
ROB WAUGH
Yahoo! News
March 19, 2014
...
Aircraft expert Ian Black previously worked as a fighter weapons instructor for the Malaysian Air Force, and is the author of two Haynes Manuals for aircraft, the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom Manual and the RAF Tornado Manual. He flew the Tornado ADV in the first Gulf War and over Kosovo. He is now an A340 Airbus captain with Virgin Atlantic.

Could the aircraft have been ‘swapped’ mid-air?

Generally air traffic radars use something called a “Squawk” code – this is 4 digits, say ’1234′ – that is then used to transmit information to the ground radar of the aircraft’s position and other relevant detail. This is very easily disabled – it is operated with a simple on/off switch. The Boeing 777 has two separate systems for safety in the event of failure.

There is another angle which I think might be a possibility that the MH370 switched codes. If MH370 had a code of, say 4376, then it would be pretty easy to get another aircraft, say a Gulfstream 5 private jet, to fly up behind it and swap codes. The Gulfstream sets its squawk code to the same as MH370′s code of 4376 then the B777 takes on the Gulfstream’s code, and they then split… It would certainly make it easier for the B777 to continue on undetected.

Full article here
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/220486 ... d-mid-air/

Interesting hypothesis. But then, where does the Gulfstream go while "squawking" the 777 code? Someone's bound to notice the peculiarity. Even if the lighter plane were to land on an aircraft carrier or a government base, it had presumably filed a flight plan that would not have been completed, thus triggering a search for it as well.

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