Dioneo » 25 Nov 2014 04:43 wrote:And, again, oh for fuck's sake. What fucking planet do you live on? Yes, there are hidden machinations in the world that need to be uncovered, etc. etc. And there has also been systemic violence by your and my fucking white ancestors against Africans for the last 500 fucking years and, at some point, even the white folks say enough is e-fucking-nough. That's why this was covered to the extent it was, not because of some nefarious media plot.
quite right, but now the fill-in-the-blank-Hoax crew have been unleashed, I guess they were getting bored since we've been short on mass shootings of school children lately.
It's not a hoax. It's a legitimately divisive controversy!
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:04 pm
by stickdog99
Dioneo » 25 Nov 2014 12:43 wrote:
That's why this was covered to the extent it was, not because of some nefarious media plot.
Really? So why was this inexcusable cop execution, out of the hundreds that happen every year, the one that was immediately seized upon by our corporate media minions if not to divide people spontaneously into order lover vs. cop hater camps?
Why did the Ferguson PD refuse to release the police officer's side of the story? Why did we have to wait 8 days until a "friend of Darren Wilson's wife" called up a Faux News affiliated radio show with the narrative that Brown charged Wilson? You know, the narrative that was supposedly corroborated by several secret (in fear of community reprisals, of course) witnesses who testified before the grand jury? Since when do the cops refuse to release their side of the story when they execute someone?
Now all the scared white people can say, "Tsk! Tsk! You hotheads should have waited for all the facts to come out!"
And guess what? The majority of the "cooler heads" who believe whatever narratives they are fed will confirm their law and order fetishes and convince them that anybody who feels otherwise deserves to be rounded up for reprogramming.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:11 pm
by stickdog99
Luther Blissett » 25 Nov 2014 17:48 wrote:All the rigor and intuition here is great, but I'd like to continue working on a higher dosage of radical resistance to institutional racism. It's one of the only things I feel like I have to go elsewhere to find quality discussions.
You have a legitimate gripe. I'm not sure how to protest the clear injustice most effectively. I mean. the very existence of Ferguson's entire "justice system" cries out for radical reconstruction. It's basically a domestically occupied territory. I'm feeling very boxed in about what to do next at the moment and would be open to suggestions. Maybe I've been spending too much time discussing the issue with frightened white males.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:20 pm
by Laodicean
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:11 pm
by Twyla LaSarc
I don't know what to say about it. I spent early school years in southern Il. The music teacher would lead us in civil war songs including Dixie. I was a first thru fourth grader and thought it was historical. Only now I recognize it as indoctrination.
I suspect it's why my mom insisted we move to the northern part of the state.
A big veneer is being peeled back from the last state (actually region) to fight the civil war after the fact, one whose native son, and outlaw hero. the terrorist Jesse James went violently out of his way to make Kansas bleed for not allowing his peculiar institution. A state that never totally seceeded from the union yet sent men to fight for the south, one where neighbors literally did become mortal enemies. And in whose environs we were taught the old songs even into the seventies...
I am glad Sam Clemens had enough sense to leave the Missouri irregulars after a couple of weeks. He might not have become Mark Twain if he had stayed.
One of the most infamous of slavery sites is a place in what was ostensibly the union, southern IL. IIRC, called simply the 'Slave house' people were tortured to death in it's attic prison. It is still standing and is infamous for being haunted. This world will never be right and the ghosts will not rest until there is nothing on that site but a memorial instead of a tourist trap for thrill seekers.
What to do about it. I don't know. That is why I left and kept leaving. When you can't make a living, there is no incentive to put up with mean bigoted assholes.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:25 pm
by seemslikeadream
Wilson did say that he was sorry for the loss of life but he would not do anything different that day. He says he has a clean conscious over his actions that day.
Wilson did say that he was sorry for the loss of life but he would not do anything different that day. He says he has a clean conscious over his actions that day.
This guy's not just a murderer, but now he's just making himself more monstrous. Did you see his lies about Michael Brown hulking up, preparing to charge into his hailstorm of bullets? Illustrating Michael Brown as some sort of non-human fantasy movie entity.
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Wilson did say that he was sorry for the loss of life but he would not do anything different that day. He says he has a clean conscious over his actions that day.
This guy's not just a murderer, but now he's just making himself more monstrous. Did you see his lies about Michael Brown hulking up, preparing to charge into his hailstorm of bullets? Illustrating Michael Brown as some sort of non-human fantasy movie entity.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:17 pm
by seemslikeadream
Rep. Peter King has a suggestion for the White House in dealing with the latest developments in Ferguson – invite Officer Darren Wilson over.
“I think it would be very helpful if President Obama went and met with the police officer, or invited him to the White House and said, ‘You’ve gone through four months of smear and slander, and the least we can do is tell you that it’s unfortunate that it happened and thank you for doing your job,’” the New York Republican told Fox Business on Tuesday. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... stion-ever
yes it was very unfortunate that that big black scary man child made you shoot him dead
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:55 pm
by seemslikeadream
QUEEN OF MEAN
@youngblackbitch
Darren Wilson got $500k from ABC for interview, plus $500k for donations. He is now a MILLIONAIRE bc he murdered a black kid.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:14 pm
by 8bitagent
These ugly, unfortunate yet organic incidents like the media coverage/anger sparking/fall out of Trayvon and now the Michael Brown shooting must be getting taken note of...to dip well into the RI pool, engineer something really nasty.
The sheer anger and frustration of many communities and national outrage over this event representing many other events as well as the gross disproportionate prison sentencing...it's a raw primal sort of anger. I'm saying that while these are random organic events, be prepared for something much bigger and explosively catalyzing to come down the pipeline as we march toward 2016.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:29 pm
by Luther Blissett
Here are a few directions in which my rigor and intuition point:
The rarity of a federal grand jury not indicting, visualized
A data point from FiveThirtyEight’s coverage of Monday night’s events in Ferguson is worth pulling out. “U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010,” the site’s Ben Casselman writes, “the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.”
That data is from a report from the Bureau of Justice Statistics and covers October 1, 2009, to September 30, 2010. Over that time period, over 193,000 federal offenses were investigated, about 16 percent of which were declined for prosecution. That leaves just over 162,300 offenses that the government tried to prosecute. And the grand jury decided against doing so 11 times, finding no true bill or a lack of evidence to do so.
