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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:27 pm
by coffin_dodger
American Dream wrote:As I said, I see mostly blind spots and underdeveloped politics. I know of no Nazis in the woodpile here...
Thanks for the reply.
When taking into account your obvious passion and commitment to the unmasking of Fascism, anti-semitism and Nazism, don't you think your time would be better spent fighting these 'isms' at their root - at sites such as Ickes, Dukes etc? You know, amongst people that actually
need educating? You're constantly kinda preaching to the converted here.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:30 pm
by slimmouse
Regarding the latest odds on the revolution, Do we have any news on the favourite?
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:30 pm
by solace
American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:15 pm wrote:solace » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:59 pm wrote:You are way too nice. I firmly believe anyone who promotes, supports, defends, offers up as a good source anyone who is a Nazi, is hugely admired by said Nazis, hangs with Holocaust Deniers, etc is probably an antisemite or Nazi
or worse is an enabler of them. And all that bla bla bla "this is an anti-fascist board," stuff. Since there are way more respectable and admirable sources to use, one has to wonder what to think when people freely choose to use such, in your words, sketchy sources.
You're right- I
am way too nice. These endless reams of holocausts and statements that the haters aren't really so bad, not to mention all the stuff said and done by "friends" of the Palestinians are maddening. The impossibility of pinning slad and company down about really think regarding what should be the ABC's while they spin and defend regarding those sorts of themes smell bad. I give them the benefit of the doubt as to conscious intentions but there is clearly more here than just unconscious shit...
Actually, you are probably closer to the truth than I am except that I view it from the perspective that you can't be just a little bit pregnant. Most of it I know comes from accepting any bedfellow in their hatred of whatever it is they hate: Zionism, Israel, the PTB, global warming, the Illuminati, Rothschilds, bankers etc. I say get better bed fellows. They do exist, so there is no real reason to accept clowns and morons.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:32 pm
by American Dream
Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:25 pm wrote:OK I will speak for only myself:
I think one thing around this is that when it comes to TIDS - you have pretty much covered the dark side of just about every religion (bar one) on the planet. Why the bar one?
Now - my interpretation:
What you are describing is similar to what others (including myself) described is what you have done as well and slad is matching what you have done. I really think if you stop, so will she.
Oh,
bullshit. There are
gazillions of religions I haven't posted on in the TIDS thread. And that's nothing like slad spamming me endlessly and accusing me of being a zionist sympathizer and a believer in only
one holocaust when she knows it's not true.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:36 pm
by American Dream
Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:21 pm wrote:For slad and AD -
What would be needed for this to stop?
My suggestions -
1 We agree to stop CopyPasta-ing or argue by cliche
2 We agree to stop posting GIFs and cartoons as responses.
3 We agree that there are no longstanding members of RI who are either:
Anti-Semites or racists or far right supporters or fascists or supporters of any of those.
4 We agree to respect other peoples viewpoints and not deluge them in Copy Pasta
5 We agree that this board is NOT a pro reductionist board like JREF
6 We agree that all members have the right to freely discuss paraculture
7 If we have an issue that these are being violated, we ask for MOD guidance.
8 We agree to stop CopyPasta-ing or argue by cliche (extra strength)
9 We agree that AD is not a Zionist supporter or minimiser of genocides and also that there is a right to discuss paraculture in goodfaith without disruption
10 We show goodfaith - if someone writes a long considered response, we try to match it in care and attention
There is a kernel of something good here but it would need a lot of work. Slad, are you willing to put some work into this?
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:39 pm
by American Dream
solace » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:30 pm wrote:American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:15 pm wrote:solace » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:59 pm wrote:You are way too nice. I firmly believe anyone who promotes, supports, defends, offers up as a good source anyone who is a Nazi, is hugely admired by said Nazis, hangs with Holocaust Deniers, etc is probably an antisemite or Nazi
or worse is an enabler of them. And all that bla bla bla "this is an anti-fascist board," stuff. Since there are way more respectable and admirable sources to use, one has to wonder what to think when people freely choose to use such, in your words, sketchy sources.
You're right- I
am way too nice. These endless reams of holocausts and statements that the haters aren't really so bad, not to mention all the stuff said and done by "friends" of the Palestinians are maddening. The impossibility of pinning slad and company down about really think regarding what should be the ABC's while they spin and defend regarding those sorts of themes smell bad. I give them the benefit of the doubt as to conscious intentions but there is clearly more here than just unconscious shit...
Actually, you are probably closer to the truth than I am except that I view it from the perspective that you can't be just a little bit pregnant. Most of it I know comes from accepting any bedfellow in their hatred of whatever it is they hate: Zionism, Israel, the PTB, global warming, the Illuminati, Rothschilds, bankers etc. I say get better bed fellows. They do exist, so there is no real reason to accept clowns and morons.
It's all about the gap between conscious and unconscious mind and that, unfortunately, is inscrutable...
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:39 pm
by Searcher08
American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:26 pm wrote:Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:13 pm wrote:AD, if I described your TIDS thread as "unfortuneately indicating that you have some blind spots and underdeveloped politics in certain areas" - how would that land with you?
I would likely feel defensive but if I was leaning towards the Atzmon/Shamir/Icke side of life I should listen, should wake up and smell the coffee.
You, slim and slad are not really credible candidates for attitude change anyway. If I was gambling in a casino the odds would have to be stacked very, very high before I would bet on any of you making fundamental changes any time soon. I don't think I would bet 100 to 1 but I
might bet 5,000 to 1.
<long sigh>
Credible candidates for attitude change? WTF??
That sounds like something from a North Korean 're-education' camp.
Let's see - there is the AD who posts TIDS, which seems to be capable of causing big revisions in people's mental maps, and who is a model of 'change by allowing...'
then there is AD whose every Six Degrees of Icke related thread is a polemic and a model of the old phrase 'What you Resist, Persists'
I prefer the first one myself... bit less "Dear Leader-ish"
You posted earlier that 'it was unbearable what he posted', but I couldnt find who he was or what the 'unbearable' thing was.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:42 pm
by OP ED
Wombaticus Rex » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:07 pm wrote:seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:01 pm wrote:GET BACK TO ME WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOME STREET CRED SOLACE ...RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT 98 POSTS ...
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO JUDGE ME? YOU'RE A 98 POST WEAKLING WITH NO HISTORY OF ANYTHING TO SIT IN JUDGEMENT OVER ME...FUCK OFF...GET OVER YOURSELF...YOU'RE NOTHING BUT 98 POSTS...GET REAL
Please, moderate. Criticism is not attack. This is a warning to back off on the "FUCK OFF" -- enjoy the day off.
Let us moderate,
together.
its amazing how often she does this and gets away with it. nearly every one of AD's recent threads contains this ALL CAPS SPOUTING INSULTS AND ACCUSATIONS AND OUTRIGHT NAME CALLING.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:45 pm
by Searcher08
American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:36 pm wrote:Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:21 pm wrote:For slad and AD -
What would be needed for this to stop?
My suggestions -
1 We agree to stop CopyPasta-ing or argue by cliche
2 We agree to stop posting GIFs and cartoons as responses.
3 We agree that there are no longstanding members of RI who are either:
Anti-Semites or racists or far right supporters or fascists or supporters of any of those.
4 We agree to respect other peoples viewpoints and not deluge them in Copy Pasta
5 We agree that this board is NOT a pro reductionist board like JREF
6 We agree that all members have the right to freely discuss paraculture
7 If we have an issue that these are being violated, we ask for MOD guidance.
8 We agree to stop CopyPasta-ing or argue by cliche (extra strength)
9 We agree that AD is not a Zionist supporter or minimiser of genocides and also that there is a right to discuss paraculture in goodfaith without disruption
10 We show goodfaith - if someone writes a long considered response, we try to match it in care and attention
There is a kernel of something good here but it would need a lot of work. Slad, are you willing to put some work into this?
I feel like adding that I would like to NOT be referred to in North Korean 're-education' camp language!!
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:46 pm
by American Dream
Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:39 pm wrote:American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:26 pm wrote:Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:13 pm wrote:AD, if I described your TIDS thread as "unfortuneately indicating that you have some blind spots and underdeveloped politics in certain areas" - how would that land with you?
I would likely feel defensive but if I was leaning towards the Atzmon/Shamir/Icke side of life I should listen, should wake up and smell the coffee.
You, slim and slad are not really credible candidates for attitude change anyway. If I was gambling in a casino the odds would have to be stacked very, very high before I would bet on any of you making fundamental changes any time soon. I don't think I would bet 100 to 1 but I
might bet 5,000 to 1.
<long sigh>
Credible candidates for attitude change? WTF??
That sounds like something from a North Korean 're-education' camp.
Let's see - there is the AD who posts TIDS, which seems to be capable of causing big revisions in people's mental maps, and who is a model of 'change by allowing...'
then there is AD whose every Six Degrees of Icke related thread is a polemic and a model of the old phrase 'What you Resist, Persists'
I prefer the first one myself... bit less "Dear Leader-ish"
You posted earlier that 'it was unbearable what he posted', but I couldnt find who he was or what the 'unbearable' thing was.
Once again,
bullshit. You guys are not prisoners in a prison camp and no one is brainwashing you. Did you pay for those sorts of techniques? If so, I think you should ask for your money back.
Anyway, I'm getting tired of your methods here-
sleazy is the first word that comes to mind. Taking a break from you.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:05 pm
by Searcher08
American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:32 pm wrote:Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:25 pm wrote:OK I will speak for only myself:
I think one thing around this is that when it comes to TIDS - you have pretty much covered the dark side of just about every religion (bar one) on the planet. Why the bar one?
Now - my interpretation:
What you are describing is similar to what others (including myself) described is what you have done as well and slad is matching what you have done. I really think if you stop, so will she.
Oh,
bullshit. There are
gazillions of religions I haven't posted on in the TIDS thread. And that's nothing like slad spamming me endlessly and accusing me of being a zionist sympathizer and a believer in only
one holocaust when she knows it's not true.
Demolitions / dark sides / militarism / child abuse sides of Hinduism, Zen , Native America, Christianity, Islam, Paganism, Traditional Buddhism, New Age and Theosophy from what I can remember....
I think she sees you as a CopyPasta spamming monomaniac obsessed with anti-semitism and who condemns people based on a 'Six Degrees of Icke' strategy using an indirect approach of
"Im not saying you are an anti-semite but if you walk like a duck and waddle like a duck... well".
or to precisely mirror:
"And that's nothing like AD spamming me endlessly and accusing me of being an anti-semite sympathizer and a dis-believer in the Holocaust when he knows it's not true.
We can spend years going over this or try and design a constructive way forward - lets do that.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:13 pm
by Searcher08
American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:46 pm wrote:Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:39 pm wrote:American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:26 pm wrote:Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:13 pm wrote:AD, if I described your TIDS thread as "unfortuneately indicating that you have some blind spots and underdeveloped politics in certain areas" - how would that land with you?
I would likely feel defensive but if I was leaning towards the Atzmon/Shamir/Icke side of life I should listen, should wake up and smell the coffee.
You, slim and slad are not really credible candidates for attitude change anyway. If I was gambling in a casino the odds would have to be stacked very, very high before I would bet on any of you making fundamental changes any time soon. I don't think I would bet 100 to 1 but I
might bet 5,000 to 1.
<long sigh>
Credible candidates for attitude change? WTF??
That sounds like something from a North Korean 're-education' camp.
Let's see - there is the AD who posts TIDS, which seems to be capable of causing big revisions in people's mental maps, and who is a model of 'change by allowing...'
then there is AD whose every Six Degrees of Icke related thread is a polemic and a model of the old phrase 'What you Resist, Persists'
I prefer the first one myself... bit less "Dear Leader-ish"
You posted earlier that 'it was unbearable what he posted', but I couldnt find who he was or what the 'unbearable' thing was.
Once again,
bullshit. You guys are not prisoners in a prison camp and no one is brainwashing you. Did you pay for those sorts of techniques? If so, I think you should ask for your money back.
Anyway, I'm getting tired of your methods here-
sleazy is the first word that comes to mind. Taking a break from you.
You didnt hear me - I said you calling me a
not credible candidate for attitude changereminded me of "North Korean re-education camp".
Put another way, it was patronising bullshit. Hope that clears it up.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:24 pm
by brainpanhandler
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:27 pm
by slimmouse
Searcher, You know something. I read your post on a few ground rules, and thought, thats cool, lets give it a go, and then was perhaps outrageously amused by the reply of AD.
Their is clearly a serious difference of perspective going on here.
Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:48 pm
by Searcher08
Why should they not do that? I made a request, it is up to them to respond to it or not.
@slim <Geordie accent> Yas neet a credible candidate fo' attitude change.
One believes the pukka response is LOLWhut??!!