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Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:47 pm
by elfismiles
Foley's Mother Says Officials Threatened To Prosecute Her For Raising Ransom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEYtSCyC2bc
US threatened Foley family over Islamic State ransom, slain journalist’s mother says
“We were told that several times and we took it as a threat and it was appalling”
by RT | September 13, 2014

The family of US journalist James Foley – who was kidnapped and killed by the Islamic State – had been “threatened” by the US government with charges of aiding terrorists if they tried to raise funds to pay ransom for him, Foley’s mother told the media.

Obama administration officials repeatedly warned the family of murdered journalist James Foley that they might face criminal charges for supporting terrorism if they paid a ransom to the Islamic State jihadists who were holding and, ultimately, beheaded their son, his mother and brother said this week.

“We were told that several times and we took it as a threat and it was appalling,” Foley’s mother Diane said in an interview with ABC News.

“I think our efforts to get Jim freed were an annoyance,” she elaborated in another interview with CNN. “It didn’t seem to be in [US] strategic interest, if you will.”

The 40-year-old journalist was kidnapped by Islamic State (IS) radicals in November 2012 while reporting from Syria. He was ceremonially beheaded, apparently over US military involvement in Iraq, and a video of his murder was released by the group in August.

In the months leading up to his death, the Foley family was contacted by the jihadists with large ransom demands, which they were unable to meet.

Officials told Foley family members “not go to the media,” and that the “government would not exchange prisoners,” according to Diane Foley. Diane and her husband John were also concerned that any donors to their ransom collection drive might be thrown in prison for funding terrorism.

“Jim was killed in the most horrific way. He was sacrificed because of just a lack of coordination, lack of communication, lack of prioritization,” Diane Foley said. “As a family, we had to find our way through this on our own.”

“It was very upsetting because we were essentially told to trust… that the way they were handling things would bring our son home,” she added.

Several US officials familiar with Foley case confirmed the alleged threats were made. “It was an utterly idiotic thing to do that came across as if [the US official] had the compassion of an anvil,” one official told ABC.

However, State Department spokesperson Marie Hart somewhat denied the allegations, saying, “This department would never and did not ever intend nor do we think we ever did anything that we would consider threatening.” Hostage families are usually only helped to “understand what [US] laws are about terrorists or paying ransom to terrorists,” she added.

On September 2, the IS murdered another journalist, American Israeli Steven Sotloff. The 31-year-old Floridian was captured in August 2013 while reporting from Aleppo, Syria.

Commenting on the government’s unsuccessful efforts to rescue James Foley and Steven Sotloff, the State Department spokesperson added that “this government undertook every single opportunity to find and bring home these American citizens that are being held by ISIS.”

The Foley family launched the James W. Foley Legacy Fund this week, which in large part is intended to help other hostages’ loved ones navigate the frustrating currents they encountered both with the terrorists and with their own government. Two American and several British hostages still remain in ISIS captivity.

“I fear for the remaining American hostages’ families, who have been [intimidated] in a similar way,” she told ABC News. “It definitely interfered with our efforts to bring Jim home.”

Asked whether she had believed ISIS would accept a ransom payment and free their son, as they had many European hostages liberated for between $2-3 million each, Diane Foley replied, “I do, maybe – I mean, who knows?”

http://rt.com/usa/187452-foley-family-u ... m-threats/

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:13 pm
by 82_28
THIS IS GETTING SUPER OLD!

ISIS appears to execute British aid worker David Haines

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/13/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t1

We understand already. We get what whoever you are are trying to do. We see you have knives and guns and black outfits that you wear in 118 degree weather for no functional reason.

Quit scaring people.

Thanks!

Inhabitants of the Universal Free Realms.

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:54 pm
by Ben D
No blood...


Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:22 pm
by Nordic
My guess is that the three videos shown this far were shot on the same day. Why not? That's how the pros do it. Saves money on equipment rental, crew rates, all of that. I wonder how many more they shot that day ? Guess we'll find out. Seems like its a new tv show - "So You Think You Can Kill!"

Whatever. The entire world has jumped the shark. I give up. It's only gonna get more and more surreal and blackly comic and nonsensical.

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:36 pm
by Ben D
^ Thank you for your input concerning these videos Nordic, I think you are correct in your analysis...

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:57 am
by 8bitagent
82_28 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:13 pm wrote:THIS IS GETTING SUPER OLD!

ISIS appears to execute British aid worker David Haines

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/13/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t1

We understand already. We get what whoever you are are trying to do. We see you have knives and guns and black outfits that you wear in 118 degree weather for no functional reason.

Quit scaring people.

Thanks!

Inhabitants of the Universal Free Realms.
I'm finally now seeing mainstream cable news analysts asking "why now? because of these alleged beheading videos, the US is now going into Syria?"

I talk hella crap about Alex Jones, but he and Syrian Girl I believe are correct: The west is using this to go into Syria in a way they werent able to with the whole "redline" chem weapon debacle. And WHO are these "rebels" obama wants to give half a billion dollars to? Especially since the FSA sold Sotloff to ISIS for tens of thousands. Is al Nursra really the lesser of two evils

ISIS...or as I am now calling them I$I$ since its gonna be huge $$$$$$ for the western powers and especially their Sunni oil rich gulf state benefactors.

Virtually noone is remembering in the mainstream how Obama and Kerry wanted to go into Syria AGAINST Assad, now its to fight the anti Assad forces? Make up your mind!

Itd be a kneeslapper if "ISIS" made a video showing ALL the victims alive saying "See how easy it is to fool you Americans?"

Course...that depends what IS IS.

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:03 am
by 8bitagent
Nordic » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:22 pm wrote:My guess is that the three videos shown this far were shot on the same day. Why not? That's how the pros do it. Saves money on equipment rental, crew rates, all of that. I wonder how many more they shot that day ? Guess we'll find out. Seems like its a new tv show - "So You Think You Can Kill!"

Whatever. The entire world has jumped the shark. I give up. It's only gonna get more and more surreal and blackly comic and nonsensical.
Mainstream "moderate" hawk wonk fareed zakaria even said on CNN in a video op-ed that the US shouldnt buy the bait of these videos. He showed a clip of bin Laden talking about how easy it is to trick
the US into war(and we all know who was funding and protecting Oozesama bin Llama)
Smirkoff said today how he wonders how much of the "2/3 of Americans want war against ISIS" is accurate, and the "1/3 of Americans want boots on the ground".
He said its just the post beheading/9-11 annv hype making people talk.

They are going to need to stage something fierce, nasty and conscience rattling blamed on ISIS soon cuz this current rationale is not enough to buy em enough time.

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:18 am
by SonicG
Indeed, and to echo Nordic's sentiment of black comedy...

You know what they say...No blood, no foul...

Sorry, but I have just started to look into this stuff because I am rather squeamish but I am quite concerned about the implications here, especially regarding the drumbeats of war...

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:08 am
by Sounder
Sorry, but I have just started to look into this stuff because I am rather squeamish but I am quite concerned about the implications here, especially regarding the drumbeats of war...
Yeah, I had my PSMD (psychical scaring measuring device) prescreen these vids and it said they were OK to watch, but I'll pass anyway cause it's not good to trust to much in this techie shit.

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:23 am
by Searcher08
Movie editing software I have seen at an AVID edit suite allows you to remove blood, add blood, change the hue, shading etc. It takes a couple of mouse clicks.


so, the implication

No blood => No beheading took place

is false.

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:07 pm
by justdrew
I agree it would be possible to remove the blood, in a couple different ways, and there does seem to be nothing else in the still frame that is red, which is lucky or intentional. but why on earth would they want to remove the blood?

I think this question is a huge issue and it's really odd that people take these videos seriously when there's such a gaping question sitting there in plain view. It just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I suppose it's possible the victims are heavily sedated and blood pressure is way way down? Maybe?

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:23 pm
by Ben D
Sure, there was none of the bloodless 'sawing' of the throat we saw in the earlier clips....that may very well imply editing. The thought came to me too that it may have been edited out, perhaps not to hide the blood but to hide the no blood because the producers of the videos are aware that internet skeptics had drawn much attention to it that credibility was weakened.

a known is a person, place or thing

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:57 pm
by IanEye
Is James Foley dead or alive?

If he is dead, was he in fact beheaded?
Or, was he terminated in some other fashion, and then we were told he was beheaded?

If he is alive, do his parents in fact think he is dead?
Or, do his parents know he is alive, and for whatever reason are playing along with the ruse that he is dead?

What seems the most plausible?

Re: James Foley "beheading" video. For real ...??

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:48 pm
by Ben D
^...all the questions that I've been wondering too....

Re: a known is a person, place or thing

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:59 pm
by Searcher08
IanEye » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:57 pm wrote:Is James Foley dead or alive?

If he is dead, was he in fact beheaded?
Or, was he terminated in some other fashion, and then we were told he was beheaded?

If he is alive, do his parents in fact think he is dead?
Or, do his parents know he is alive, and for whatever reason are playing along with the ruse that he is dead?

What seems the most plausible?
To me, given the videos of ISIS summarily executing large numbers of Iraqi Shia and Yazidis in a manner that would have made the Einsatzgruppen beam with pride - and that their stated focus is anti-'apostate' ie anti-Shia above all else, and that many moderate Sunnis went over to them because of how they were treated by the (Shia) Iraqi Army and by Shia militias, my take is that they only think of hostages in terms of money or a 'fuck you' and will kill every one of them in this way.

I think they have a 'bring it on' attitude and see what is happening as part of an unfolding divine plan in which they are the avenging angels. In some ways it is as immanent a focus as the neo-cons "Take actions while you just commentate" quote.

When they took over Mosul, they apparently cashed out about $500 million from the banks - and that buys anything they want including very specialist expertise - folks who can do psyops as good as Langley and really fuck with Westerner's heads (sorry) - for example by removing them without blood. From the point of view of brand marketing, they are achieving massive exposure for very little effort. They already have massive financial clout, huge amounts of weaponry, a new alliance with so called Syrian moderates who are themselves being given massive funding from the US which will end up with them and are positioning themselves for an insane battle where they are getting second hand funding from people who are bombing them, fighting Syria and Iran (apparently there are already many Iranian troops with heavy artillery coordinating with the Americans). Also the Peshmerga who were beating them were actually from the Marxist PKK which is a terrorist organisation and a great enemy of Turkey who will not be too happy about them getting re-armed by the US and UK.... Jesus H Christ what an utter clusterfuck.