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Me thinks you want something to close to being perfect or just right. Humans are messy and our minds can flit about so quickly. I say it's better if more awareness about false flag ops is growing. Gun sales aren't the problem anyhow. Guns are just tools, with a limited application, but just tools.

My teenage kids actually made me aware of some of the questions and oddities about Newtown and Sandy Hook. I had been so busy with work for the past month I paid little attention to this story. For gosh sakes take that as a positive step! Kids learning about false flags and drills. I would say that's a step in the right direction.

JackRiddler wrote:Intuition is a means of guessing truth, not for insisting on falsehoods.

that's a keeper

I just want to say THANK YOU to Jack, Barracuda and the other few brave regulars here who have continually faced down the veritable torrent of willfully ignorant burn-the-witch histrionics and weighing up of tears that is parading as vigorous, independent analysis in this thread and (far more insidiously) elsewhere.

Thank you. May those on the receiving end of your attempts at education eventually come to see the value in it.

As for Coffin Dodger, Lupercal and the rest, please be advised that the games you and your ilk are playing, both here and elsewhere on the net, are neither rigorous (being slapdash and executed with an absolute poverty of praxis) nor intuitive (being mostly knee-jerk reaction borrowed second hand from elsewhere).

Sincerely;
yer old pal Jerky

Education Forum

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:18 AM

Don Jeffries wrote:

The official narrative for what happened in Sandy Hook is impossible (that is, if you can even figure out exactly what the official narrative is, as it has never been consistent). The snopes "debunking" piece Len notes is the internet equivalent of the Popular Mechanics "debunking" of 9/11 "truthers." Snopes exists to "debunk" independent reporting from those unconnected to the msm.

The live helicopter footage that day is available in numerous videos online, and it reveals no one coming out of the school, and no one going in, either. All you see are pockets of police and fire fighters, standing in small groups, looking anything but concerned. The lack of activity is astonishing. No video anywhere of an evacuation of the students, and since there were supposedly some 600 students at Sandy Hook (I've seen various numbers reported, but this seems to be the most common figure), there would have had to have been at least that many parents coming to pick them up. Thus, the helicopter footage should have revealed a real madhouse- more than 1000 people milling about and the mass evacuation of students should have been caught on tape by someone.

One can also see that there are ZERO ambulances or rescue squads at the school. Once this kind of horrific mass shooting was reported, a slew of emergency medical vehicles should have been racing to the scene, to try and render assistance to the victims. Yet we are supposed to believe that not a single EMT person entered the building, to try and save anyone? There were initially two adults reported as injured, one of them shot in the foot. We have heard nothing more about these injured persons, and they have not been interviewed. One would think that kind of interview would have real dramatic impact, but evidently no one in the msm has been interested. If what we've been told is true, the bodies of these little children and adults were not removed from the school until about 10 p.m. that night. Does that sound like standard operating procedure?

As critics have noted, we've seen no footage of the crime scene whatsoever. Why no photo of the shot out glass at the entrance to the school, for instance? Instead, we have been shown the same ridiculous photo of about 20 kids being marched, with their eyes closed for some unknown reason, across a parking lot. It has been suggested (don't know if proof on this is clear) that this photo was actually taken during a drill a few months earlier. At any rate, why is that the only photo we're ever shown? Are we seriously going to believe that none of the photographers on the scene thought to snap other photos of students emerging from the building, or of tearful reunions with their relieved parents?

Instead, we have to be satisfied with a slew of interviews with one Gene Rosen, who is so bizarre and unconvincing that he single handedly creates doubt about this incident in a lot of minds. Again, I won't comment specifically on the parents that have been interviewed, but they do all share in common a startling lack of emotion about the sudden and violent loss of their children. And we must heed the warnings of Police Lt. Vance, who early on indicated that those who post "information" about this event online would be prosecuted. Exactly what crime would someone commenting on this widely publicized event be prosecuted for? Is it now a crime to dispute what government agencies say?

This event, like others of significance, goes well beyond the phony left-right paradigm. Thus, right-winger Glenn Beck attacks the Sandy Hook "truthers," along with his leftist co-hort, ex-CIA intern Anderson Cooper, who absolutely raged out on air against a college professor who questioned the official story, and in fact pretty much demanded he be fired. Good old Anderson- always ready to skewer the rich and powerful.

The attacks by Beck, Anderson, snopes and the like are all part of the Cass Sunstein campaign to make "conspiracy theories" illegal. Anyone who raises questions about the inconsistencies in this story is instantly labeled a "conspiracy theorist." The reason so many individuals are putting out these videos on the internet, focusing on the flaws in the official narrative with varying degrees of success, is because the mainstream "journalists," as always, just swallow every "official" pronoucement without question, and fawn over the likes of Gene Rosen. An average preschooler could do a better job of critical reporting than these msm "journalists" do.

The most basic questions about this event have not been answered sufficiently. What weapons were used? How did Adam have his brother's identification, when he hadn't seen him in two years? Why was a body-initially said to be that of Adam's father-reportedly discovered in Ryan Lanza's home in New Jersey? If it wasn't his father's body, what body did they find there? Who owned the car Adam drove to school that day? Was it Adam's mother, or a career petty thief that was seemingly unconnected to the Lanzas? How did Adam get into the school? First, a witness told reporters she saw the principal buzz Adam in, and that she did so because she recognized him (remember, this was early on, when all reports indicated his mother was a teacher there). Then, we were told Adam blasted his way in. Finally, police claimed they shot the glass out to open the entrance door. So which of the three versions are we to believe?

There are so many more questions here. If we truly had a free press, and real investigative reporters, there would be a huge story here. Instead, all we get from our establishment press are hit pieces on those "conspiracy theorists" who dare to point out that, once again, the emperor is wearing no clothes.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/492/rodiatax.jpg
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9535/rodiawifetax.jpg
thanks for posting these.
i noticed these tax records for the rodia vehicles were prepared on 22-dec-2012.
any idea why it wasn't posted for a month? posting earlier sure could have avoided a lot of wasted bickering(and i do hate to waste a good bicker).
also how was that obtained? i haven' been able to pull any car tax info, only real estate stuff? each town seems to have a different process which makes for a challenge.
thanks, and have a nice day

^ go here, pull down Newtown, type in names, last name first:

https://www.mytaxbill.org/inet/revenue/search.do

Plug in Lanza Nancy for example and you'll see her 2010 Honda Civic. The problem is that it doesn't give license plate numbers so while suggestive, it isn't definitive.

conniption wrote:Education Forum

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:18 AM

Don Jeffries wrote:

The official narrative for what happened in Sandy Hook is impossible (that is, if you can even figure out exactly what the official narrative is, as it has never been consistent). The snopes "debunking" piece Len notes is the internet equivalent of the Popular Mechanics "debunking" of 9/11 "truthers." Snopes exists to "debunk" independent reporting from those unconnected to the msm.

The live helicopter footage that day is available in numerous videos online, and it reveals no one coming out of the school, and no one going in, either. All you see are pockets of police and fire fighters, standing in small groups, looking anything but concerned. The lack of activity is astonishing. No video anywhere of an evacuation of the students, and since there were supposedly some 600 students at Sandy Hook (I've seen various numbers reported, but this seems to be the most common figure), there would have had to have been at least that many parents coming to pick them up. Thus, the helicopter footage should have revealed a real madhouse- more than 1000 people milling about and the mass evacuation of students should have been caught on tape by someone.

One can also see that there are ZERO ambulances or rescue squads at the school. Once this kind of horrific mass shooting was reported, a slew of emergency medical vehicles should have been racing to the scene, to try and render assistance to the victims. Yet we are supposed to believe that not a single EMT person entered the building, to try and save anyone? There were initially two adults reported as injured, one of them shot in the foot. We have heard nothing more about these injured persons, and they have not been interviewed. One would think that kind of interview would have real dramatic impact, but evidently no one in the msm has been interested. If what we've been told is true, the bodies of these little children and adults were not removed from the school until about 10 p.m. that night. Does that sound like standard operating procedure?

As critics have noted, we've seen no footage of the crime scene whatsoever. Why no photo of the shot out glass at the entrance to the school, for instance? Instead, we have been shown the same ridiculous photo of about 20 kids being marched, with their eyes closed for some unknown reason, across a parking lot. It has been suggested (don't know if proof on this is clear) that this photo was actually taken during a drill a few months earlier. At any rate, why is that the only photo we're ever shown? Are we seriously going to believe that none of the photographers on the scene thought to snap other photos of students emerging from the building, or of tearful reunions with their relieved parents?

Instead, we have to be satisfied with a slew of interviews with one Gene Rosen, who is so bizarre and unconvincing that he single handedly creates doubt about this incident in a lot of minds. Again, I won't comment specifically on the parents that have been interviewed, but they do all share in common a startling lack of emotion about the sudden and violent loss of their children. And we must heed the warnings of Police Lt. Vance, who early on indicated that those who post "information" about this event online would be prosecuted. Exactly what crime would someone commenting on this widely publicized event be prosecuted for? Is it now a crime to dispute what government agencies say?

This event, like others of significance, goes well beyond the phony left-right paradigm. Thus, right-winger Glenn Beck attacks the Sandy Hook "truthers," along with his leftist co-hort, ex-CIA intern Anderson Cooper, who absolutely raged out on air against a college professor who questioned the official story, and in fact pretty much demanded he be fired. Good old Anderson- always ready to skewer the rich and powerful.

The attacks by Beck, Anderson, snopes and the like are all part of the Cass Sunstein campaign to make "conspiracy theories" illegal. Anyone who raises questions about the inconsistencies in this story is instantly labeled a "conspiracy theorist." The reason so many individuals are putting out these videos on the internet, focusing on the flaws in the official narrative with varying degrees of success, is because the mainstream "journalists," as always, just swallow every "official" pronoucement without question, and fawn over the likes of Gene Rosen. An average preschooler could do a better job of critical reporting than these msm "journalists" do.

The most basic questions about this event have not been answered sufficiently. What weapons were used? How did Adam have his brother's identification, when he hadn't seen him in two years? Why was a body-initially said to be that of Adam's father-reportedly discovered in Ryan Lanza's home in New Jersey? If it wasn't his father's body, what body did they find there? Who owned the car Adam drove to school that day? Was it Adam's mother, or a career petty thief that was seemingly unconnected to the Lanzas? How did Adam get into the school? First, a witness told reporters she saw the principal buzz Adam in, and that she did so because she recognized him (remember, this was early on, when all reports indicated his mother was a teacher there). Then, we were told Adam blasted his way in. Finally, police claimed they shot the glass out to open the entrance door. So which of the three versions are we to believe?

There are so many more questions here. If we truly had a free press, and real investigative reporters, there would be a huge story here. Instead, all we get from our establishment press are hit pieces on those "conspiracy theorists" who dare to point out that, once again, the emperor is wearing no clothes.

Wow, The Education Forum has really gone down the ol' commode. Mr. Jeffries could have answered roughly two-thirds of this mess with a little research. Of the remaining third, half of it could be explained by common sense and the other half by "ongoing investigation".

This thread isn't about examining evidence, apparently, but rather it's a discussion about the media reactions to "Hookers", so I'll quote the pertinent paragraph:

The attacks by Beck, Anderson, snopes and the like are all part of the Cass Sunstein campaign to make "conspiracy theories" illegal. Anyone who raises questions about the inconsistencies in this story is instantly labeled a "conspiracy theorist." The reason so many individuals are putting out these videos on the internet, focusing on the flaws in the official narrative with varying degrees of success, is because the mainstream "journalists," as always, just swallow every "official" pronoucement without question, and fawn over the likes of Gene Rosen. An average preschooler could do a better job of critical reporting than these msm "journalists" do.

Conspiracy theorists are under attack... by Snopes?

As I said, The Education Forum has really gone down the ol' commode.

[quote="Jerky"
As for Coffin Dodger, Lupercal and the rest, please be advised that the games you and your ilk are playing, both here and elsewhere on the net, are neither rigorous (being slapdash and executed with an absolute poverty of praxis) nor intuitive (being mostly knee-jerk reaction borrowed second hand from elsewhere).[/quote]

What game, the like of 'my ilk', am I playing exactly? If you could also let me know where else 'on the net' I am playing these games, I'd be fascinated to know about it.

I have to admit that Snopes has fallen at least as low as the Education Forum. Their 9/11 and other coincidence theory advocacy is quite shameful.

Again, I won't comment specifically on the parents that have been interviewed, but they do all share in common a startling lack of emotion about the sudden and violent loss of their children.

Who could get offended at reasonable questions like this? The guy is just stating the facts, right? Don't the people have a right to know?

Wombaticus Rex wrote:

Again, I won't comment specifically on the parents that have been interviewed, but they do all share in common a startling lack of emotion about the sudden and violent loss of their children.

Who could get offended at reasonable questions like this? The guy is just stating the facts, right? Don't the people have a right to know?

Damn straight!

Did you, for instance, know that the American golfer Brian Gay was born on December 14 (!!!), 1971. 2012 minus 1971 is 41, which is a prime number, which is very interesting in itself.
His name is also obviously fake, I mean, who names their kid Gay? That leaves the question of who exactly is this "Brian Gay", and what did the LGBT movement have to gain from Sandy Hook?
There are so many holes in the official mkultra socio-facist green conspiracy it makes my head spin

lupercal wrote:^ go here, pull down Newtown, type in names, last name first:

https://www.mytaxbill.org/inet/revenue/search.do

Plug in Lanza Nancy for example and you'll see her 2010 Honda Civic. The problem is that it doesn't give license plate numbers so while suggestive, it isn't definitive.

Now here's something odd: while Nancy Lanza's house and three cars all show up on this site, the house and 2010 Civic twice, there are hotlinks under each item's "Bill # / UID" column that go to completely different cars and people! The link under the first Honda Civic entry's "Bill# / UID" for example goes to a 2003 Jeep Liberty belonging to a Carl L Jones:

https://www.mytaxbill.org/inet/revenue/ ... bnum=63378

And the link under the second Civic entry goes to a record for a 1195 Buick Regal belonging to Dorothy L Voray.:

https://www.mytaxbill.org/inet/revenue/ ... bnum=63607

Another odd thing is that I can't find a way to bring up any records for the town of Norwalk. So much for reproducibility.
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ETA: Now Nancy Lanza's Civic Bill # / UID is showing up again at the links, go figure:

https://www.mytaxbill.org/inet/revenue/ ... bnum=63378

Still no plate numbers though. And still no Norwalk in the drop-down city menu. Strange. So back to you barracuda, do you have a source for those Rodia tax jpg's?