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Searcher08 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:02 pm wrote:

kool maudit » Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:37 pm wrote:I am familiar with critical race theory and the work of Ignatiev, as well as other, similarly inclined people like Tim Wise.

I have considered the idea that whiteness is not in fact any sort of racial descriptor but is rather a word created to describe a system of institutionalised privilege, and the linked idea that abolishing the white race by any means necessary is in fact -- although it sounds like, and retains the precise syntax of, calls for racial genocide -- a sort of call for human liberation with regard to this system.

You know what? It's horseshit. It's all horseshit. It's horseshit created to sneak out of the back door of the statement "abolish the white race by any means necessary". It's horseshit because it allows, and is designed to allow, its speaker to mouth a severe call to violence and instantly retreat to an airy position of dispersed, theoretical justice-seeking.

However imprecise or problematic or biologically ungrounded its origin, the term "white race" is widely understood to refer to Europeans and European-descended peoples. Imagine a Kampala corner bar where one person of, say, Danish descent is drinking amidst a crowd of mainly Ugandans with perhaps some other people from other sub-Saharan African countries. You go from drinker to drinker with a clipboard and ask people which person is the "white"guy.

What do you think happens? Do you get elaborate dissections of insitutional power, or half-annoyed, colloquially brusque replies indicating the man with the pale skin, blue eyes, straight brown hair -- the man who looks most generally like the peoples of Europe?

And you know this! You know it. Ignatiev knows it. Wise knows it. But you have to go through this every time because maybe you're just not informed, maybe you just haven't done your reading, maybe you need a link or two... How can one live in the world -- the actual world, where people have common if flawed understandings across vast areas with billions of inhabitants -- and act as if this is a normal sort of thing to say without opposition?

It's infuriating. It's meant to be. But that's its nature, it's designed to work that way.

This is a bad thread and reflects badly on this board because its title is a call for genocide.

This.

I share this hope, but I cannot see how it will ever be realized unless color does in fact disappear: and that means not integration, it means assimilation, it means—let the brutal word come out—miscegenation.

The Black Muslims, like their racist counterparts in the white world, accuse the “so-called Negro leaders” of secretly pursuing miscegenation as a goal. The racists are wrong, but I wish they were right, for I believe that the wholesale merging of the two races is the most desirable alternative for everyone concerned. I am not claiming that this alternative can be pursued programmatically or that it is immediately feasible as a solution; obviously there are even greater barriers to its achievement than to the achievement of integration. What I am saying, however, is that in my opinion the Negro problem can be solved in this country in no other way.

seemslikeadream » Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:53 am wrote:wow Podhoretz negro problem ..now I will have to go back and read that

oh shoot gotta log in don't know if I am that interested in what he has to say

He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by George W. Bush in 2004. The award recognized Podhoretz's intellectual contributions as editor-in-chief of Commentary magazine and as a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.

Norman Podhoretz was one of the original signatories of the "Statement of Principles" of the Project for the New American Century founded in 1997.

Podhoretz received the Guardian of Zion Award from Bar-Ilan University on May 24, 2007.

kool maudit » 29 Jul 2016 11:37 wrote:I am familiar with critical race theory and the work of Ignatiev, as well as other, similarly inclined people like Tim Wise.

I have considered the idea that whiteness is not in fact any sort of racial descriptor but is rather a word created to describe a system of institutionalised privilege, and the linked idea that abolishing the white race by any means necessary is in fact -- although it sounds like, and retains the precise syntax of, calls for racial genocide -- a sort of call for human liberation with regard to this system.

You know what? It's horseshit. It's all horseshit. It's horseshit created to sneak out of the back door of the statement "abolish the white race by any means necessary". It's horseshit because it allows, and is designed to allow, its speaker to mouth a severe call to violence and instantly retreat to an airy position of dispersed, theoretical justice-seeking.

However imprecise or problematic or biologically ungrounded its origin, the term "white race" is widely understood to refer to Europeans and European-descended peoples. Imagine a Kampala corner bar where one person of, say, Danish descent is drinking amidst a crowd of mainly Ugandans with perhaps some other people from other sub-Saharan African countries. You go from drinker to drinker with a clipboard and ask people which person is the "white"guy.

What do you think happens? Do you get elaborate dissections of insitutional power, or half-annoyed, colloquially brusque replies indicating the man with the pale skin, blue eyes, straight brown hair -- the man who looks most generally like the peoples of Europe?

And you know this! You know it. Ignatiev knows it. Wise knows it. But you have to go through this every time because maybe you're just not informed, maybe you just haven't done your reading, maybe you need a link or two... How can one live in the world -- the actual world, where people have common if flawed understandings across vast areas with billions of inhabitants -- and act as if this is a normal sort of thing to say without opposition?

It's infuriating. It's meant to be. But that's its nature, it's designed to work that way.

This is a bad thread and reflects badly on this board because its title is a call for genocide.

The advent of black Southern white nationalism, courtesy of Auntie Ruckus...





Folks, what other Southern Nationalist organizations can you think of besides the League of the South? I'm drawing a blank. So how ironic is it, that a black Confederate Heritage activist has labeled herself as a "Southern Nationalist", when the League of the South has made it perfectly clear that they aren't interested in "her kind"? Not only is Auntie Ruckus self-identifying as a Southern Nationalist, she's defending Southern white nationalism, and attempting to redefine it.

in my opinion the Negro problem can be solved in this country in no other way.