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ETA — even if the shooter acted alone, with no larger political intent, that doesn’t mean that his actions won’t be used politically to increase tension. <— might be the biggest thing bothering me about this.

Burnt Hill » 07 Oct 2017 00:51 wrote:Maybe the camera on the serving cart was to let the shooter know it was time to aim for the jet fuel tank.

"Taking out a lot of people when I go" is not an uncommon desire in disgruntled/mentally troubled men.

Have any of the guns in the hotel room been directly linked to Paddock?

JackRiddler wrote:We seem to all be agreed there is the smell of spook about him.
We may differ on the general incidence of people who'd be willing to stick a machine gun or other set of weapons to a crowd for the kicks or sense of vendetta or sense of achievement (given that mass killers have a league tote-board and celebrity, etc.). I would never think people with this tendency could be a majority, or just anyone, but enough out there fantasizing about doing it that given the means and the right stressors cases who actually execute will appear on a regular basis. Do I see that in him based on what we know? Not necessarily yet, but the thing that happened, happened, and Paddock as the shooter remains the far more plausible explanation for the available known knowns of this case (few, other than the carnage) than the alternate scenarios forwarded.
As for him having confederates, open question.

Lou Minati | October 6, 2017 at 7:12 am | Reply
Apparently, there were up to seven shooters, which would explain the cryptic comment by the Hispanic woman 45 minutes before the shooting at the concert that “They’re everywhere”. Here’s a Facebook post from someone who was at another hotel (the Vdara) and a link (while it lasts) to a video that was made at the Bellagio:

So here goes…. Especially to those of you saying to stop talking about this, stop making assumptions etc.
Call me crazy, call me dramatic, call me whatever you want. I’m posting this for those of us who were on the strip Sunday night, who know what we saw and what we were told by police officers, security guards, and even the local news when all of this madness started. And I am posting this in hopes of informing others who have believed everything they’ve seen on the news. If while leaving the Cosmopolitan, we had been told there was one shooting at the Mandalay Bay, Anthony and I would have not been worried for our lives and we would have continued to go out, knowing we weren’t headed to that particular area of the strip. But that’s not what we were told. We were told that there were 7 confirmed shooters, and confirmed deaths at multiple hotels. Including Bellagio, the Aria and New York New York. Being told this by a security guard, who then told us to go to the third floor for safety. However, Anthony says, “No Rikki. This is a very popular hotel, I don’t feel like the third floor of this popular hotel in public is the safest place. We’re going to try and get out of here right now.” Running back to our hotel next door, Vdara, we are told once again by police/security checking our id and room key, “yes multiple hotels effected. Go to your room and do not leave.” We then get to the room, immediately turn on the news and start watching out of our windows to figure out what is going on. The news also states, live, that the Bellagio had been effected and there was one confirmed death.
Now… skip ahead about an hour. The news is no longer stating anything about the other hotels effected. They say it is one person. Every bit of info that was being initially given to us was disappearing. We could physically see from our window view, fire alarms going off at the cosmopolitan, and multiple cop cars and ambulances pulling up there as well. We wanted more information about what was happening at these other hotels right next to us, and we weren’t getting it. And we still aren’t.
Monday morning I am of course telling my friends and family about our experience, and I was starting to really feel like I was crazy. Everyone was telling me there was only one shooter, and I just couldn’t understand what I had seen. Finally, other people like myself started speaking out. I was relieved to know that I wasn’t crazy, but now just as confused as to why the media is trying to hide this information. There are now videos and statements popping up all over the web, showing proof of other shooters and other effected hotels.
Why are they trying to hide this?! If for no other reason, think about being a family member of the others who died or were injured at these other hotels. They deserve the respect, and the truth as to what happened to their loved ones.
Now, can we please stop talking about Gun Control for just a few minutes, and figure out what is really going on here? Figure out the real motive of this incident, and inform people of the truth. Laws can be put in place for anything and everything. There will always be people who break them. And especially with all of the technology we have now days, it is not very hard to find anything you want. Whether it’s an illegal weapon, drugs, anything. Laws will always be broken. So let’s stop pretending this incident wouldn’t have happened if more laws were in place, but instead demand the truth about what really happened that night, and why? Don’t be so naive.

Project Willow wrote:Watch the whole video.

Guest, "Can we have a discount because there was a shooting last night and we were on lockdown and didn't get much sleep?" Clerk, "There was no shooting at the Bellagio last night." Guest, "Well I have this video I shot of it." Clerk, "Just a moment..." hands them a receipt no payment due.

brekin » 07 Oct 2017 05:20 wrote:

JackRiddler wrote:We seem to all be agreed there is the smell of spook about him.
We may differ on the general incidence of people who'd be willing to stick a machine gun or other set of weapons to a crowd for the kicks or sense of vendetta or sense of achievement (given that mass killers have a league tote-board and celebrity, etc.). I would never think people with this tendency could be a majority, or just anyone, but enough out there fantasizing about doing it that given the means and the right stressors cases who actually execute will appear on a regular basis. Do I see that in him based on what we know? Not necessarily yet, but the thing that happened, happened, and Paddock as the shooter remains the far more plausible explanation for the available known knowns of this case (few, other than the carnage) than the alternate scenarios forwarded.
As for him having confederates, open question.

Yup. Much has been made of his iconoclastic bank robbing daddy but one wonders how much that might have been a/the contributing influence (if not directly day to day, then symbolically always transmitting at a distance) of a sense of superiority and dominance over the rest of humanity that could one day darkly manifest in a final statement? Colin Wilson applied Maslow's hierarchy of needs to some opportunistic criminals believing that they didn't commit crimes out of a deprivation - but a satiation, if not over satiation, of basic drives, and a sense of still lingering unfullfillment. Seems Paddock might have harbored a revenge/punishment fantasy which was not based on getting even with society (he seems to have pulled ahead monetarily & materially than most) but of continuing to show them up. The man was a stone cold numbers man in the grey flannel suit, both IRS agent & USPS letter carrier, and golden years professional gambler and so had to know despite his secured wealth, stability and accomplishments - the house always wins in the end. That might have been enough for someone who carried a sense of alienation and superiority from the rest of humanity all his life to secure that the last item on his bucket list was going to be a massacre.

Project Willow » 07 Oct 2017 06:24 wrote:

Various witness accounts from video, FB, and Twitter:

Pile of spent casings outside side entrance to Tropicana hotel.

Shots fired and shattered glass entry doors, subsequent lockdown at Bellagio hotel.

Spent casings on the concert grounds.

Eye witness of shooter on the concert stage targeting VIP enclosures, shooter passed right by her.

Multiple witness accounts of overlapping fire, bullets coming from multiple directions.

Sound engineer and weapons analysis conflicting with claim of single shooter and type of weapons used.

That's just off the top of my head. Maybe all of these people are lying or confused from the fog of war, including the police who reported multiple shooters and locations on the scanner. Maybe it's rational to believe the authorities after an unexplained 24 minute gap in their clearing the "scene" and accept everything they tell us as "known knowns" and then try to concoct some sort of psychological profile of the presumed killer out of thin air. Yeah, no, I don't see anything rational in that at all. Of all the potential intel op mass events, this is the most bald faced I have ever seen. These are the shaky grounds where fear takes over and rationality flies out the window, one way or another.

Iamwhomiam » 06 Oct 2017 20:41 wrote:nashvillebrook wrote,

ETA — even if the shooter acted alone, with no larger political intent, that doesn’t mean that his actions won’t be used politically to increase tension. <— might be the biggest thing bothering me about this.

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