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The Family's leaders,' Sharlet established from his three-week infiltration, 'consider democracy a manifestation of ungodly pride and "throwaway religion" in favor of the truths of the Family. Declaring God's covenant with the Jews broken, the group's core members call themselves "the new chosen.

So, there is some kind of conspiracy here, or there isn't?

Your own thoughts AD?

Sure- conspiracies abound- however what is the framework in which they thrive?

The State as institution, with all its attendant secrecy and power-over prerogative, along with Capitalism as institution and its privileging of profit for the few, interface negatively with White Supremacy, Christian Supremacy, Hetero-Patriarchy, etc.

The extreme focus on traditional scapegoats such as: immigrants, jewish bankers, "subversives", islamist radicals, etc. etc. mostly serves to distract from such fundamental issues framing and defining our problems- and that is a very, very serious weakness within Conspiracy Culture...

American Dream » 11 Jan 2015 16:18 wrote:Sure- conspiracies abound- however what is the framework in which they thrive?

The State as institution, with all its attendant secrecy and power-over prerogative, along with Capitalism as institution and its privileging of profit for the few, interface negatively with White Supremacy, Christian Supremacy, Hetero-Patriarchy, etc.

The extreme focus on traditional scapegoats such as: immigrants, jewish bankers, "subversives", islamist radicals, etc. etc. mostly serves to distract from such framing and defining problems- and that is a very, very serious weakness within Conspiracy Culture...

Thanks for that well worded reply.

Hmm. Jewish Bankers and Islamic Radicals. I was eagerly awaiting some Abrahimic companions for the Christian Mafia of the OP.

Bankers,Radicals and Mafia.

Throw that lot together and what do you reckon you get?

American Dream » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:18 am wrote:The extreme focus on traditional scapegoats such as: immigrants, jewish bankers, "subversives", islamist radicals, etc. etc. mostly serves to distract from such fundamental issues framing and defining our problems- and that is a very, very serious weakness within Conspiracy Culture...

You're right, RI has had far too many threads in the past few years blaming the problems on the world on immigrants, jewish bankers, "subversives", islamist radicals, etc.

It's a filthy habit and makes us look terrible. Wish I'd noticed it happening, even once, prior to you pointing it out here today.

Off to find some examples now...

The worst examples, imo, are to be found at other sites, known to most all of us. Names like Icke, Jones, Rense, Duff etc. easily come to mind.

In my view, we have lots of people that come and go from here who lap from those poisoned wells, but there is also a legacy from an entirely different sort of "Wells" here.

Therefore, people with far right sympathies tend to be a little less direct- or even honest- about where their real sympathies lie.

Just my perspective on happenings here, as gleaned over the years- take it or leave it- but this is what I see...

American Dream » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:48 am wrote:Just my perspective on happenings here, as gleaned over the years- take it or leave it- but this is what I see...

Indeed, it is all you see and all you post about, once the copy-paste contributions (which are always so familiar!) get stripped away from your legacy here.

Let me state for the 10,000th time: nobody here wants you, needs you, or asked you to be the "crypto-fascist witch hunter" of RI. As Mac pointed out several times in a recent thread, this rare backwater was intended as a discussion forum but you've made it clear -- you know, over the years -- you're much more interested in lecturing us. Even that implies more interaction than the reality: you're lecturing at us.

American Dream » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:48 am wrote:The worst examples, imo, are to be found at other sites, known to most all of us. Names like Icke, Jones, Rense, Duff etc. easily come to mind.

In my view, we have lots of people that come and go from here who lap from those poisoned wells, but there is also a legacy from an entirely different sort of "Wells" here.

Therefore, people with far right sympathies tend to be a little less direct- or even honest- about where their real sympathies lie.

Just my perspective on happenings here, as gleaned over the years- take it or leave it- but this is what I see...

yes we all know how easily they come to mind

since Sept 5 2013 AD has mentioned Shamir's name another 35 times

Carto another 17 times ...no one else has mentioned his name

Hoffman another 15 times no one else has mentioned his name

Springmeier 12 more times no one else has mentioned his name

Atzmon 51 more times no one else has mentioned his name

Icke too many to count

Rense 15 more times no one else has mentioned his name...

Im reminded of a recent post by CD.

Maybe we need to see what all the fuss is about?

Im mean, surely not every single thing they say is either racist of insane?

Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:55 am wrote:

American Dream » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:48 am wrote:Just my perspective on happenings here, as gleaned over the years- take it or leave it- but this is what I see...

Indeed, it is all you see and all you post about, once the copy-paste contributions (which are always so familiar!) get stripped away from your legacy here.

Let me state for the 10,000th time: nobody here wants you, needs you, or asked you to be the "crypto-fascist witch hunter" of RI. As Mac pointed out several times in a recent thread, this rare backwater was intended as a discussion forum but you've made it clear -- you know, over the years -- you're much more interested in lecturing us. Even that implies more interaction than the reality: you're lecturing at us.

it's way far more than just lecturing us .....accusing should be added to the mix

he takes my annoyance at seeing these names he posts all the time and slams/twists that annoyance into some kind of kinship...which it has never been and will never be

I would say that a big chunk of what I am doing these-a-days is posting anti-fascist material. I do not think that most of what I'm doing is focused on confronting individuals who might support far right ideas. Quite the opposite- I am posting many articles that critique those sorts of ideas and certain individuals, some of whom who may possibly have sympathies in those directions, seem to be taking a lot of umbrage.

Mostly though, I have not confronted individuals when I see things here that shock and horrify me. But I really do think we are capable of much better.

American Dream » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:06 pm wrote:I would say that a big chunk of what I am doing these-a-days is posting anti-fascist material. I do not think that most of what I'm doing is focused on confronting individuals who might support far right ideas. Quite the opposite- I am posting many articles that critique those sorts of ideas and certain individuals, some of whom who may possibly have sympathies in those directions, seem to be taking a lot of umbrage.

Mostly though, I have not confronted individuals when I see things here that shock and horrify me. But I really do think we are capable of much better.

Quite. For instance, we could do the bleeding-obvious and obviously-right thing and actually confront individuals who might support far right ideas, we could actually confront individuals when we see things here that shock and horrify us -- as opposed to (say) evading and ignoring those actual really-existing enemies while routinely and casually insulting the entire board by placing everyone on it under general suspicion before finally playing the deeply-saddened Pope of Sweet Reasonableness because the board (a microcosm of the fallen world) so abjectly fails to meet those ineffably (and therefore never-effed) lofty standards which only Your Holiness can possibly embody or even begin to comprehend.

I would say that a big chunk of what I am doing these-a-days is posting anti-fascist material

A big chunk of what you are doing here is manfully supporting the really-existing fascism of 21st-Century Empire by posting tons of timewasting crap from execrable websites that consistently support a "Cruise Missile `Left``" position barely distinguishable, if at all, from that of Anthony Blair Q.C or Hillary Rodham Clinton.

HTH. (But how could it possibly? You, being such an "activist", have me "on ignore".)

La lutta continua.

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Amazing the amount of energy, virtual space, threads, and typed words we are collectively exhausting for this handle whose net contributions seem to be little more than flamebaiting, casting aspersions, and various forms of outright trolling.

Of course, I am just as guilty of wasting energy -- I've echoed many of the grievances expressed on this and myriad other threads tainted by AD (along with his occasional shadow, solace).

How much more patience shall we collectively have, I wonder? How much longer shall we choose to allow earnest discussion to be derailed on his behalf?

Has AD shown even an INKLING of an attempt to adjust/re-calibrate his/her approach to 'discourse' within this message board? Haven't witnessed it yet.
This will be my final "contribution" to any AD-related topic or discussion revolving around AD.

AD has not earned a fragment of the attention. His/her core message -- whatever it claims to be -- exudes a distinct air of being disingenuous in spirit, at least with respect to this board.

(I've considered deleting this reply several times as it's hypocritical of me to even post it: I am advocating for ignoring the troll while clearly dedicating my time towards responding to yet another diversionary thread, feeding the troll)

F it. Hitting submit anyway.

slimmouse » 12 Jan 2015 02:07 wrote:

The Family's leaders,' Sharlet established from his three-week infiltration, 'consider democracy a manifestation of ungodly pride and "throwaway religion" in favor of the truths of the Family. Declaring God's covenant with the Jews broken, the group's core members call themselves "the new chosen.

So, there is some kind of conspiracy here, or there isn't?

Your own thoughts AD?

Have you read the rest of that article?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sure Ive read it Joe. You have noticed that I then asked a question about it, since this is a discussion board. You saw the answer I got, which as usual has nothing to do with the specific question, which I also commented on, and seem to have gotten subsequently lost in the noise.

I would agree with you that AD posts some decent stuff. This is his "fallback mode", which is usually one decent piece in about six, before his usual tirade of nonsensical crappola. Almost 7 years of it now. I can even offer you a model of how it all works if you like Joe, since it has become almost scientifically predictable.