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AlanStrangis wrote:Sorry to be blunt, but at the most this is COINTELAMATEUR, not PRO.

Nobody cared about the "Orange Underground" and the top response from YouTubers (mouse potatoes?) was pro-health and anti-war. Certainly not a greatest hit by any stretch of the imachination.

Wrong, Pan. That's a gross distortion and denial of facts about:
>two ongoing,
>specifically detailed,
>parallel, and
>competing campaigns
>using 'orange' as a symbol for a REAL political purpose
>and for a FAKE 'political' purpose.

Not coincidently, disrupting social movements is an FBI COINTELPRO "greatest hit"-

http://mediafilter.org/MFF/USDCO.PsyWar.html

Disinformation to Prevent or Disrupt Movement Meetings and Activities:

AlanStrangis wrote:Sorry to be blunt, but at the most this is COINTELAMATEUR, not PRO.

Nobody cared about the "Orange Underground" and the top response from YouTubers (mouse potatoes?) was pro-health and anti-war. Certainly not a greatest hit by any stretch of the imachination.

It's not just the color orange, man.
The closest thing there is the AIDS awareness thing.
And it's not in the same ballpark, theme or size wise.

Yeah, it may very well be a simple greedy piggyback, not a hijack.

professorpan wrote:Okay, Mr. Smartypants -- go to the ACLU page. Look at all the flyers, downloads, posters, web banners, and so forth. They ALL feature the date very prominently: January 11, 2008.

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Also, the Cheetos Underground campaign was launched in mid-January. The first video was uploaded to YouTube on January 13th -- 2 DAYS after the ACLU campaign events. Good timing there, eh?

Don't let the chronology and the facts deter you, though. I'm sure you can brainstorm a convoluted explanation to prove you're right.

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
So portraying Zappa as instead a sex-obsessed deviant, and his lyrics were designed to push sexuality right in your face making it easy to do this, is an obvious tactic to point kids at instead of 'Concentration Moon.'.

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FZ: Who knows? It was baffling to me. I didn't know what was going on. And they arrested me and they arrested the girl. They took us to jail in San Bernadino. And meanwhile, they are driving us to jail, and the guy with the wrist radio is in the back seat of the car and he's interviewing us and it's being broadcast to the truck again, and I found out that these tapes existed because while I was in the tank, they took the girl out and were playing them, saying [Frank uses a mock-State Trooper voice here] "This is really incriminating, and we got this and we got that and we got all these other tapes... We're breaking up this smut ring..." and all this shit. I mean, it was totally preposterous.

I didn't have any money. My father had had a heart attack and he was out of work. He had been in the aerospace industry in California and he was out of work. He was broke, and he had to scrounge around to get enough money for me to get bailed out. I got out and I went to LA and a guy from a record company there who had released one of my songs owed me some money and I picked up a couple of hundred dollars from him, and went a bailed the girl out. And we went a got a lawyer.

The lawyer told me that if the thing really went to trial, since they had taken all those tapes I had, they would play every tape I had in evidence at the trial and it would make a lot of trouble. His advice to me -- for a thousand dollars -- was to plead nolo contendre. So I said, what the fuck. even if I wanted to take it any further than that, I didn't have the money to do it. My father had to get a loan from the bank in order for me to fight the thing. I tried to get ahold of the ACLU, but they wouldn't touch it. They said the case was too small and insignificant, even though it was a matter of illegal entrapment and all the rest of that stuff.

So they take me to jail. When the thing finally goes to a hearing, they play the tape in the judge's chambers. There's a 26 year old D.A. who is out to get me. And there's a judge, there's a vice squad guy, and there's me and this girl. And we're sitting in the judge's chambers and playing the tape and he's laughing, and going, "Hey, this is pretty good! It's a funny tape, right? What is this?"

So they plea-bargained the thing so I would get 3 years' probation and a six month suspended sentence. But the deputy DA insisted that I must spend time in jail. I had to have at least 10 days.

LR: We have to keep dangerous people like you off the streets, right?

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote: And Zappa video clips have become hot on YouTube for him warning of a fascist theocracy in the US.

annie aronburg wrote:

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
So portraying Zappa as instead a sex-obsessed deviant, and his lyrics were designed to push sexuality right in your face making it easy to do this, is an obvious tactic to point kids at instead of 'Concentration Moon.'.

But Hugh, FZ was a sex-obsessed deviant, created by the military industrial complex to jump start the "sexual revolution".
.....
They even threw him in the clink on a trumped up obscenity charge, to ensure that he would obsess about it to the end of his days.
.....

FZ: "Who knows? It was baffling to me. I didn't know what was going on. "

THE CAST

Larry the Dwarf.....Ringo Starr (Beatles' drummer)
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Rance Muhammitz (the devil).....Theodore Bikel (Jewish singer and actor)
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The Industrial Vacuum Cleaner.....Dick Barber (The Mothers road manager)

annie aronburg wrote:But Hugh, FZ was a sex-obsessed deviant, created by the military industrial complex to jump start the "sexual revolution".

Zappa was a strong Free Speech-er, a Lenny Bruce with a wah pedal and conducting baton.

Zappa was the first one to teach me about the US-Nazi connection several decades ago, before the internet exposed Prescott Bush's financing of Hitler.

THIS is probably the reason for the Cheeto hijacking of Zappa to deflect away from "things that might remind us of US, torture, camps, and Nazis."

THIS is probably the reason for the Cheeto hijacking of Zappa to deflect away from "things that might remind us of US, torture, camps, and Nazis."

Joe Hillshoist wrote:orz that thing you did with the quotes was brilliant.