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jingofever » Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:43 am wrote:Philip K. Dick had a phantom time hypothesis that he summed up with the phrase, "The empire never ended."

Dick wasn't the only one.

https://books.google.com/books?id=YcjFA ... &q&f=false

Not that I take any of these guys seriously, especially Fomenko.

The original post was about the latter half of the word "history," not the former.

And Aristotle wrote the book on fiction and metaphor, albeit a little after Homer. Presumably the intent was to suggest a blurring of lines more specifically within a historiographical context.

Joao » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:16 pm wrote:The original post was about the latter half of the word "history," not the former.

And Aristotle wrote the book on fiction and metaphor, albeit a little after Homer. Presumably your intent was to specify a blurring of lines more specifically within a historiographical context.

And how many of the Greeks at the time read Aristotle? How many of them, for that matter, could read at all? This is typical. Seeing ancient history through the lens of modern understanding. Someone said the world was round, and it's immediately assumed they thought it was a globe and not a flat disk.

So the ability to understand metaphor arose sometime in the last ~100 generations? The wonders of hirstory never cease.

Also, Ancient Greek playwrights were celebrated for their fiction long before Aristotle. That this must be mentioned makes it clear this is not a serious or informed discussion.

...I suppose the point i was making ; history is written by the elite or 'winners' of wars etc so doesn't necessarily relate to the truth. The bible is an interesting case with the books/chapters chosen that go in to the king james bible and the gnosis gospels of which as Im sure you all know are about 52 or so simply left out e.g dead sea scrolls which were almost certainly written down from an oral tradition so the 'history of Jesus' is based on some stories and not others.

But what interests me with time is the progress mankind has made technologically over the last 100 years or so its almost unfathomable what has/is being achieved in my lifetime (52) I remember sitting down with a calculator at age 8-9 being mesmorised by the red LED's, then the watches, word processors etc etc. Can man really have done so much so quickly? The Victorians were going to close the patent office as they believed that anything that could be invented had been done so ...

lucky » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:01 pm wrote: But what interests me with time is the progress mankind has made technologically over the last 100 years or so its almost unfathomable what has/is being achieved in my lifetime (52) I remember sitting down with a calculator at age 8-9 being mesmorised by the red LED's, then the watches, word processors etc etc. Can man really have done so much so quickly? The Victorians were going to close the patent office as they believed that anything that could be invented had been done so ...

Agreed that the progress is quite astounding. Personally, I believe it's down to the tools we have developed since the 60's, mainly electronics. It should also be said that in 1960 the population was approx. 3 billion, now it's over 7. I'd wager that there are a *lot* more people working in the tech industries now compared to then.

p.s. I think the missing history / scrambled calendar hypothesis has a lot of merit.

One thing that really turned me off from the "American Humanists" and "atheism" was their focus on "population control" or whatever it was in order to "save the Earth". I volunteered for that shit. Went to meetings. Got other fundie kids into it as an alternative. I finally said fuck 'em. Way too hateful. Opened my mind a touch, but not the way in which they intended. I don't follow rules. Once a rule comes up, I go away.

Point being is that we LITERALLY have no way of knowing what came before our births. There simply is no way to know for sure. We can get the gist of it.