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Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:12 pm
by seemslikeadream
MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:56 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:oh ...now I see we are being asked to apologize for the government of the USA for the wrong it has done in our name....OK I can do that sorry for the misunderstanding of the OP...... maybe Mac could have made that clearer
Beyond belief, literally. Just jawdropping.
I hope some people can still see what is happening to this former Discussion Board, and why it is being allowed to happen, and by whom.
Did Nordic tell you to say that?
In entirely unrelated news, Nikki Haley is now taking names. This would all be very funny if it weren't so murderous.
yes I know I posted it 8 hours ago
Trump threatens world leaders who vote against him
Trump to the UN: Support my Jerusalem decision, or else
NEWS & POLITICS
Nikki Haley Embarrassed America by Bullying U.N., Says Ex-NATO Ambassador
Her comments were an "embarrassing spectacle of American diplomacy going in the wrong direction."
By Chris Sosa / AlterNet December 20, 2017, 10:58 PM GMT
Former U.S. Ambassador to NATO R. Nicholas Burns sharply criticized U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley and President Donald Trump for bullying countries who voted to criticize the U.S. decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
“I’m kind of surprised that Ambassador Haley is doing this,” Burns told CNN. “I don’t know if she’s been ordered to do this, but it’s not going to be effective. We’re a great country, we’re the leading, strongest country in the world. And our best presidents, our most effective presidents, they led with self-confidence and led with supporting our allies.”
"You can’t bully your best friends in the world—Germany, Britain, France—these are countries that have voted against us on the issue of Jerusalem. So I don’t think it’s going to work," he said. "I’m afraid that some countries will just double down in their vote against the United States because they have domestic politics too, they can’t bow down publicly to threats from the President of the United States.
His conclusion was that Haley's remarks were an "embarrassing spectacle of American diplomacy going in the wrong direction."
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-polit ... ambassador
UN Votes 128-9 To Declare Trump’s Jerusalem Move ‘Null And Void’
By Associated Press Published DECEMBER 21, 2017 12:36 PM
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. General Assembly has voted 128-9 with 35 abstentions to declare President Donald Trump’s declaration of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital “null and void.”
Thursday’s vote, while a victory for the Palestinians, was significantly lower than its supporters had hoped for, with many forecasting at least 150 “yes” votes. It is noteworthy that 21 countries were absent.
In that sense, it was a victory for the United States, with Trump’s threat to cut off U.S. funding to countries that oppose his decision having an impact.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/un-vo ... salem-move
The vote in the UN General Assembly placed Canada in a difficult situation because Trump had threatened to retaliate against countries that support a resolution calling on him to rescind his plan to relocate the embassy.
A spokesperson for Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said the Canadian government is disappointed the resolution landed on the floor of the General Assembly.
“This resolution is one-sided and does not advance prospects for peace to which we aspire, which is why we will abstain on today’s vote,” Adam Austen said.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017 ... ision.html
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:13 pm
by MacCruiskeen
Yes, directly or indirectly. That includes nearly 100% of those who call themselves journalists, nearly all academics, and a whole army of spooks. Then there are millions of openly fascistic Republicans plus a multitude of politer, hipper and more discreetly fascistic Democrats, some of whom cover their apologies for the US with expressions of vague regret, some of whom say, "
well, X is a dictator and We have to remove him." .
All these categories overlap heavily, of course. What unites them all is self-interest, at any cost to the planet.
Finally, and negligibly, there are those known as The Poor, i.e., those who actually create the wealth. If they're abroad, then no one listens to them. If they're at home, ditto, or else they are simply too frightened and exhausted and demoralised to speak at all.
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:16 pm
by Sounder
.I try very hard to oppose the violent imperialism but I am but one individual
Huh, your Putin fetish would seem to some to be giving aid and support to US imperialism. But hey, maybe you are right and we are exceptional and know much better than foreigners about how to run their countries, just look at Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine, where those Ruskies do nothing but mess things up for us.
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:17 pm
by MacCruiskeen
"Mistakes were made, though our intentions were good."
https://robertjprince.net/2015/05/03/th ... h-16-1968/
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:18 pm
by seemslikeadream
that's your interpretation but of course you are wrong
Sounder » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:16 pm wrote:.I try very hard to oppose the violent imperialism but I am but one individual
Huh, your Putin fetish would seem to some to be giving aid and support to US imperialism. But hey, maybe you are right and we are exceptional and know much better than foreigners about how to run their countries, just look at Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine, where those Ruskies do nothing but mess things up for us.
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:20 pm
by MacCruiskeen
De haut en bas. The Voice of America comes from many throats.
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:22 pm
by seemslikeadream
there you go ..I remember that...that the time the government of the USA killed 50,000 of my contemporaries and poisoned my relatives and covered up that fact for 35 years....and left poison all over Vietnam destroyed so many lives....yea I am sorry I could not do more to stop that war but I did what I could at the time
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:24 pm
by seemslikeadream
I know I don't know why you have that superior attitude ....not just for American anymore
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:27 pm
by MacCruiskeen
and left poison all over Vietnam destroyed so many lives
At least 2,000,000, at a conservative estimate. Two million nameless humans. But "We don't do body counts [of the natives]", not in Vietnam, not in Panama, not in Iraq, not in Libya, not anywhere. It makes for bad PR. Besides, they're all just gooks and spics and ragheads.
Next up: Them Russian Commies, at long last. First the propaganda campaign, then the WMDs. It's a time-honoured tradition.
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:31 pm
by seemslikeadream
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:34 pm
by Jerky
Sounder » 22 Dec 2017 01:16 wrote:.I try very hard to oppose the violent imperialism but I am but one individual
Huh, your Putin fetish would seem to some to be giving aid and support to US imperialism.
How do you figure that, exactly?
Are you suggesting that merely speaking aloud the already known reality that Putin interfered in multiple ways with the 2016 election, and continues to wage a number of Infowars (harhar) on multiple fronts across the globe is enough to (GASP) kick off a nuclear conflagration or something? Also, you are aware that Dubya and Obama tried very hard to play nice with Putin for a great many years, are you not?
I mean, can you or Mac name ONE THING that Putin has done in his 20 years (and counting) in power that you consider to be vile, grotesque, criminal?
J
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:38 pm
by Jerky
Hey Mac! Know how many nameless humans the Russians killed in Afghanistan in the 80's?
TWO MILLION!!!
And that's WITHOUT the help of the French! And in less than half the time!
Nice friends you got there.
J
MacCruiskeen » 22 Dec 2017 01:27 wrote:and left poison all over Vietnam destroyed so many lives
At least 2,000,000, at a conservative estimate. Two million nameless humans. But "We don't do body counts [of the natives]", not in Vietnam, not in Panama, not in Iraq, not in Libya, not anywhere. It makes for bad PR. Besides, they're all just gooks and spics and ragheads.
Next up: Them Russian Commies, at long last. First the propaganda campaign, then the WMDs. It's a time-honoured tradition.
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:39 pm
by MacCruiskeen
Jerky » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:34 pm wrote:
I mean, can you or Mac name ONE THING that Putin has done in his 20 years (and counting) in power that you consider to be vile, grotesque, criminal?
J
Just flabbergasting. Nothing is more predictable. It operates
like clockwork.
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:42 pm
by Jerky
This is a joke, right? Please tell me you're kidding.
I'm not asking you to push the fucking button, guy. Just name ONE THING that Putin has done that qualifies as evil, or grotesque... or hell, even just criminal!
Just one thing, guy! Even the Dalai Lama has some skeletons in his closet! Surely you name one thing?!
J
Re: Why do people apologise for the USA?
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:42 pm
by seemslikeadream
you will not fucking school me on Vietnam...I lived it...my friends died there....my friend committed suicide because he came back with no legs ....two of my family members are suffering from AgentOrange as I type this ...I watched friends die of addition because of that war
I did everything that was humanly possible to try and stop that war and I live with the results of that war every fucking single day of my life ...it's why I do not apologize for what the USA government has done
MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:27 pm wrote:and left poison all over Vietnam destroyed so many lives
At least 2,000,000, at a conservative estimate. Two million nameless humans. But "We don't do body counts [of the natives]", not in Vietnam, not in Panama, not in Iraq, not in Libya, not anywhere. It makes for bad PR. Besides, they're all just gooks and spics and ragheads.
Next up: Them Russian Commies, at long last. First the propaganda campaign, then the WMDs. It's a time-honoured tradition.