Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[nashvillebrook]

wish we had a "like" button. or "love" -- or "hell yeah."

4B, I'm not piling on but why do you only show up in threads about this stuff and basically nothing else? Honestly, I remain 50/50 with you. You've let this ghost ship wondering I think for quite some time.

Edited to add Mac ain't definitely no "deranged". He's one of the most even handed members here.

OK back to topic. Thanks!

What are you talking about? Be specific.

Mac is disconnected from reality. Just because one rejects the mainstream "reality" which is itself disconnected, doesn't mean you're not still disconnected just in another way. He doggedly asks some good questions. Deranged people sometimes do. Problem is, his priors are completely fucked. 100% of the time, Mac thinks his reflexive doubts and assumptions are reality, and that figure is unlowerable, i.e., not subject to revision, not open to contrary speculation. Only his brand of skepticism is valid. That's how cults operate, right? Again, sometimes his infinite skepticism is useful, because an infinitely skeptical clock will be right twice a day, more than twice in a parapolitically distorted world. But then there are all the other times. When the clock is fucking wrong. But no less shrill and pompous.

[MacCruiskeen]

Back on-topic.

Where is the couple's three-year-old child, now that his father is dead and his mother is being grilled (maybe literally) by the Feds?

Has any reporter bothered to ask? If so, has any "source" bothered to answer?

[Karmamatterz]

You completely missed the point, Karmamatterz. But completely.

Mac, with all dew respect you're missing my point. I KNOW exactly what you mean but you're comments directed to me attack and potentially in a round about way invalidate probably 3/4 or more of the info posted on RI.

I'm not interested in carrying this any further. I know how the media works, what is reasonable to believe or not and when to question the media. Don't even try to lecture me on the media or any of this. I've enjoyed reading many of your posts over the years but will kindly let this one be set aside as generally not very useful.

[82_28]

People say Alex Trebek comes off as cocky and arrogant. And I totally have never thought so. Analogy being, Mac has never come off as cocky and arrogant. I literally am sick of sticking up for people. I get the meanings of what people desire to say at least in my own way. It's not a big deal. Nobody is out to harm anyone, but when arguments start like this it is difficult to change the channel to what we are indeed talking about.

Alright, back to topic. Thanks!

[82_28]

OK (I think) I am done.

I'm sure I'll be back.

[MacCruiskeen]

From elsewhere in that capacious memory hole, again again:


Little and Large, identified by no-one.

^^Six-month-old daughter, they had, (Isn't it shocking how those Muslims treat their children? I sometimes wonder if it might not be genetic.)

Ours not to reason why, of course. Ours but to open wide and say"aaah".




Are we starting to see a pattern here?

[FourthBase]

Do you think all the suicidal terrorists in the world who leave young children are patsies, or just the ones who attack the West?

[MacCruiskeen]

I think your reading comprehension is very seriously challenged, even for a fascist. Or I would, if I thought you were for real. Now please, at long last, stop stretching the thread with your disingenuous, timewasting, embarrassingly silly pseudo-questions. You've already made your position clear for all to see.

[chump]

I found this through willyloman: We Are Change??

http://wearechange.org/manufactured-ter ... onnection/
Howell Says CIA and Four Other Suspects were Involved in Planned Sunday Massacres

Sources within the Santa Monica police department claim that James Wesley Howell, an Indiana man who was caught with explosives and weapons on Sunday Morning, told the Santa Monica police that as many as five people were involved in planned attacks on gay communities in both Florida and California.

According to the LA Times, Santa Monica Police Chief Jacqueline Seabrooks initially said on Twitter that the 20-year-old Indiana man (James Howell) told one of her officers after he was arrested that he wanted “to harm the Gay Pride event.”

However, after the FBI quickly took over the case, a Santa Monica police spokesman Saul Rodriguez indicated that Seabrooks was mistaken and offered that the Santa Monica detectives who were working the case are “not aware of what the suspect’s intentions were at this point.”

You want proof? Call the Santa Monica PD, they released this story. SMH
Address: 333 Olympic Dr, Santa Monica, CA 90401 Phone:(310) 395-9931
Please share this vigorously and help me fight this false flag event.

THWARTED LOS ANGELES GAY PRIDE KILLER JAMES HOWELL SAYS HE WAS A CO-CIA OPERATIVE WITH OMAR MATEEN AND OTHERS TO ATTACK GAYS IN CALIFORNIA AND FLORIDA !

The official version of this story released by the LA Times falsely claims that on early Sunday, Santa Monica police received a call about a suspected prowler who was knocking on a resident’s door and window about 5 a.m. in the 1700 block of 11th Street, Santa Monica police said.

Patrol officers responded and encountered Howell, who was sitting in a car registered in Indiana, police said. Officers inspected the car and found three assault rifles, high-capacity ammunition and a 5-gallon bucket containing “chemicals capable of forming an improvised explosive device,” police said.

A law enforcement source who spoke on condition of anonymity said the contents of the bucket included Tannerite, an ingredient that could be used to create pipe bombs.

The source, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation, said authorities also found camouflage clothing in the car.

Los Angeles County sheriff’s officials said the suspect told police he was going to the Pride parade to look for a friend. Authorities were looking for that individual.

Really? Police chiefs make these kind of errors everyday - LMAO

Do police chiefs make these kind of errors everyday?

The real truth of the story was released to a former Los Angeles County prosecutor who works for Get Off the BS by two Santa Monica police officers that have been issued gag orders under threat of Federal prosecution for talking further talking about the incident.

According to two department sources, Howell called the Santa Monica police on Sunday morning claiming that he needed protection from the CIA. Howell further elaborated to the dispatcher stating that he “had been set up by the CIA – they are going to kill me.”

According to Howell, he was in LA to meet with another person in a collaborated attack on the gay communities in both Florida and Los Angeles.

Howell additionally stated that, “everything has gone south. Dan was gone when I got here. They killed the leader of the Florida attack this morning. They are going to kill me. I need protection.”

According to sources within the police department’s investigation Howell indicated to officers who first made contact with him that Howell claimed he was one of five people involved in a planned Sunday attack on both the east and west coasts.

Howell stated that he was suppose to “hook up” late Saturday night with his contact in LA who was suppose to have more weapons and chemicals to mix with the Tannerite he was in possession of.

“When I got here, Dan was gone. I went to his apartment and he had cleared out….I tried calling him but he never answered me,” said Howell.

When questioned about the other four people involved in the plot, Howell was only familiar with the first names of three of the alleged suspects, naming his contact in LA – Dan and two of the three contacts in Florida, Omar and Brandy

Speaking of the suspect killed in the Pulse Bar massacre in Florida, Howell stated, “Omar was not suppose to be killed. They lied to us – Omar and Brandy were suppose to get away.”

When Howell was questioned about how he and his conspirators knew each other, he said that,

“We were all familiar with each other through an online fundamental Islamic knowledge seminary course[1] – we were recruited through the course and trained together at a camp in Virginia – we were taught how to shoot and make bombs – everyone knew their part – something went wrong….”

Before the officers could further question Howell, agents working for the Los Angeles office of the FBI quickly swept in and took over the case. Santa Monica detectives were never allowed to talk with Howell.

In summary, it appears that Howell was on his way to “hook up” with another conspirator (Dan) to set off explosives and shoot people at the gay pride parade in Hollywood California on Sunday.Nigera Televison meme

Finding his contact missing when he got to LA and having heard that Omar Matteen had been killed by a FBI SWAT teem in Orlando, Howell determined he had been double crossed by the CIA and feared for his own life
.

Howell was taken in to custody by the FBI before Santa Monica police officers could further question him about the motives behind killing gay people on both coasts of the US on Sunday.

However, in absence of further information and or anyone who will officially go on the record, there is no doubt that the America public is not being told the truth about the Orlando Florida shooting and the arrest of Howell on Sunday.

It is a shame that the Fed’s got to the Santa Monica police chief on Sunday before she was silenced, however we are very thankful that at least two officers have risked their jobs and freedom to reveal what she would of most likely Tweeted had the Fed’s not got to her.

Would you like to make odds that it was just a “coincidence” as the mainstream media reports, that Howell armed to the teeth with assault rifles and explosives, was on his way to a gay pride parade the same day as the massacre in Florida?

This Post made with Assistance of Truthcatradio #truthcat #truthcats #truthcatradio
Follow CIA/NSA contractor and wistleblower Steven D Kelley

Shortly after the posting of this story, Main-Stream USA News shed light on the Online Islamic Fundamental course Howell spoke of.

Omar Mateen Did Not Act Alone!
Second Suspect Confirmed in Orlando Shooting
ORLANDO SHOOTER’S DAD WAS A LONGTIME CIA ASSET!
Police Officers Admit To Gunning Down Orlando Nightclub Patrons!

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[FourthBase]

Do you think all the suicidal terrorists in the world who leave young children are patsies, or just the ones who attack the West?

Answer the question, if you have a non-deranged bone in your body. Suicidal terrorists leave young children behind all the time, all around the world. Why should suicidal terrorists who attack America be any different?

[Grizzly]

^ Brandy, eh? Wasn't there early reports on a female being involved in the initial Orlando massacre?

[82_28]

Obviously, I am inclined to go with the patsy method of thinking because well it is more interesting first. Second it just makes no sense that the door was not guarded in a club of that size. You got me. I wish someone would cover the club's protocols of security.

[MacCruiskeen]

FourthBase » 16 Jun 2016 08:36 wrote:
Do you think all the suicidal terrorists in the world who leave young children are patsies, or just the ones who attack the West?

Answer the question, if you have a non-deranged bone in your body. Suicidal terrorists leave young children behind all the time, all around the world. Why should suicidal terrorists who attack America be any different?

You will have to help yourself, I'm afraid.

^^

Or you might engage the services of a private nurse. (Broad hint: I'm not it. I don't have the patience for that kind of work.)

[MacCruiskeen]

I found this through willyloman: We Are Change??

http://wearechange.org/manufactured-ter ... onnection/
Howell Says CIA and Four Other Suspects were Involved in Planned Sunday Massacres

Sources within the Santa Monica police department claim that James Wesley Howell, an Indiana man who was caught with explosives and weapons on Sunday Morning, told the Santa Monica police that as many as five people were involved in planned attacks on gay communities in both Florida and California.

According to the LA Times, Santa Monica Police Chief Jacqueline Seabrooks initially said on Twitter that the 20-year-old Indiana man (James Howell) told one of her officers after he was arrested that he wanted “to harm the Gay Pride event.”

However, after the FBI quickly took over the case, a Santa Monica police spokesman Saul Rodriguez indicated that Seabrooks was mistaken and offered that the Santa Monica detectives who were working the case are “not aware of what the suspect’s intentions were at this point.”

You want proof? Call the Santa Monica PD, they released this story. SMH
Address: 333 Olympic Dr, Santa Monica, CA 90401 Phone:(310) 395-9931
Please share this vigorously and help me fight this false flag event.

THWARTED LOS ANGELES GAY PRIDE KILLER JAMES HOWELL SAYS HE WAS A CO-CIA OPERATIVE WITH OMAR MATEEN AND OTHERS TO ATTACK GAYS IN CALIFORNIA AND FLORIDA !

The official version of this story released by the LA Times falsely claims that on early Sunday, Santa Monica police received a call about a suspected prowler who was knocking on a resident’s door and window about 5 a.m. in the 1700 block of 11th Street, Santa Monica police said.

Patrol officers responded and encountered Howell, who was sitting in a car registered in Indiana, police said. Officers inspected the car and found three assault rifles, high-capacity ammunition and a 5-gallon bucket containing “chemicals capable of forming an improvised explosive device,” police said.

A law enforcement source who spoke on condition of anonymity said the contents of the bucket included Tannerite, an ingredient that could be used to create pipe bombs.

The source, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation, said authorities also found camouflage clothing in the car.

Los Angeles County sheriff’s officials said the suspect told police he was going to the Pride parade to look for a friend. Authorities were looking for that individual.

Really? Police chiefs make these kind of errors everyday - LMAO

Do police chiefs make these kind of errors everyday?

The real truth of the story was released to a former Los Angeles County prosecutor who works for Get Off the BS by two Santa Monica police officers that have been issued gag orders under threat of Federal prosecution for talking further talking about the incident.

According to two department sources, Howell called the Santa Monica police on Sunday morning claiming that he needed protection from the CIA. Howell further elaborated to the dispatcher stating that he “had been set up by the CIA – they are going to kill me.”

According to Howell, he was in LA to meet with another person in a collaborated attack on the gay communities in both Florida and Los Angeles.

Howell additionally stated that, “everything has gone south. Dan was gone when I got here. They killed the leader of the Florida attack this morning. They are going to kill me. I need protection.”

According to sources within the police department’s investigation Howell indicated to officers who first made contact with him that Howell claimed he was one of five people involved in a planned Sunday attack on both the east and west coasts.

Howell stated that he was suppose to “hook up” late Saturday night with his contact in LA who was suppose to have more weapons and chemicals to mix with the Tannerite he was in possession of.

“When I got here, Dan was gone. I went to his apartment and he had cleared out….I tried calling him but he never answered me,” said Howell.

When questioned about the other four people involved in the plot, Howell was only familiar with the first names of three of the alleged suspects, naming his contact in LA – Dan and two of the three contacts in Florida, Omar and Brandy

Speaking of the suspect killed in the Pulse Bar massacre in Florida, Howell stated, “Omar was not suppose to be killed. They lied to us – Omar and Brandy were suppose to get away.”

When Howell was questioned about how he and his conspirators knew each other, he said that,

“We were all familiar with each other through an online fundamental Islamic knowledge seminary course[1] – we were recruited through the course and trained together at a camp in Virginia – we were taught how to shoot and make bombs – everyone knew their part – something went wrong….”

Before the officers could further question Howell, agents working for the Los Angeles office of the FBI quickly swept in and took over the case. Santa Monica detectives were never allowed to talk with Howell.

In summary, it appears that Howell was on his way to “hook up” with another conspirator (Dan) to set off explosives and shoot people at the gay pride parade in Hollywood California on Sunday.Nigera Televison meme

Finding his contact missing when he got to LA and having heard that Omar Matteen had been killed by a FBI SWAT teem in Orlando, Howell determined he had been double crossed by the CIA and feared for his own life
.

Howell was taken in to custody by the FBI before Santa Monica police officers could further question him about the motives behind killing gay people on both coasts of the US on Sunday.

However, in absence of further information and or anyone who will officially go on the record, there is no doubt that the America public is not being told the truth about the Orlando Florida shooting and the arrest of Howell on Sunday.

It is a shame that the Fed’s got to the Santa Monica police chief on Sunday before she was silenced, however we are very thankful that at least two officers have risked their jobs and freedom to reveal what she would of most likely Tweeted had the Fed’s not got to her.

Would you like to make odds that it was just a “coincidence” as the mainstream media reports, that Howell armed to the teeth with assault rifles and explosives, was on his way to a gay pride parade the same day as the massacre in Florida?

This Post made with Assistance of Truthcatradio #truthcat #truthcats #truthcatradio
Follow CIA/NSA contractor and wistleblower Steven D Kelley

Shortly after the posting of this story, Main-Stream USA News shed light on the Online Islamic Fundamental course Howell spoke of.

Omar Mateen Did Not Act Alone!
Second Suspect Confirmed in Orlando Shooting
ORLANDO SHOOTER’S DAD WAS A LONGTIME CIA ASSET!
Police Officers Admit To Gunning Down Orlando Nightclub Patrons!

===============================

chump, thanks for that.

Has this been widely reported elsewhere? Have any of you looked closely into this? This is the first I've heard of it.

Google News search results for James Wesley Howell CIA ...

[FourthBase]

FourthBase » 16 Jun 2016 08:36 wrote:
Do you think all the suicidal terrorists in the world who leave young children are patsies, or just the ones who attack the West?

Answer the question, if you have a non-deranged bone in your body. Suicidal terrorists leave young children behind all the time, all around the world. Why should suicidal terrorists who attack America be any different?

You will have to help yourself, I'm afraid.

^^

Or you might engage the services of a private nurse. (Broad hint: I'm not it. I don't have the patience for that kind of work.)

Suicidal terrorists often leave young children behind elsewhere in the world. If suicidal terrorists who attack American targets also leave young children behind, it doesn't constitute an abnormal pattern. It's completely within the realm of Exactly What One Should Expect from Suicidal Terrorists. You are fucking wrong.