justdrew » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:30 pm wrote:I don't know why that would take a voice-in-the-head, isn't it really obvious? It might be more natural to use bearing and range though. The other thing to improve RVing would probably be to provide the viewers with extensive coaching in descriptive writing, drawing and sculpting.
An interesting and resonant point, since Ingo Swann was an accomplished & technically solid artist in a number of mediums. Blaow.
I cannot help but add:
Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:41 pm
by justdrew
I'm not at all convinced any useful 'information' has ever been gleaned by "remote viewing" though. Most proponents have a clear financial interest in people 'believing' in it. but of course, anything's possible, and some psychic stuff seems real. Is there anything particularly convincing re RV?
"Remote Viewers" - Jim Schnabel "Mind at Large" - Tart, Puthoff, Targ - recently copped this and been stunned ever since! Better than "Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain."
Ingo Swann's claims are mutually & internally contradictory so there's a lot to question in his own accounts.
Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:02 am
by jingofever
Not a voice-inside-the-head, but outside-the-head, and to the right. Crowley, when writing the Book of the Law, heard a voice back and to the left. Julian Jaynes also heard a voice behind him suggest a solution to a problem he was working on but I do not remember if it was to the left or the right.
Born the son of a Unitarian minister in Newton, Massachusetts, Jaynes was mystified by his own capacity for inwardness, a nagging stream of desires, worries, invented futures, and humiliations. He attributed the inspiration for Origins to an episode of “darkest distress” when he was lying on his couch, despairing over the question of “how we can know anything at all”: “Suddenly, out of an absolute quiet, there came a firm, distinct loud voice from my upper right which said, ‘Include the knower in the known!’ It lugged me to my feet absurdly exclaiming, ‘Hello?’”
Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:54 am
by KeenInsight
I recognize that actor, but what is that in reference too, a movie?
Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2013?
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:37 am
by elfismiles
ATTEMPTING to steer conversation on RV to an RV thread... here:
... which is not to say Remote Viewing isn't relevant to UFOs, as evinced by that video of Vallee and a lecture I saw of his at the SSE conf in 2001. I don't think that lecture is online anywhere...
Born the son of a Unitarian minister in Newton, Massachusetts, Jaynes was mystified by his own capacity for inwardness, a nagging stream of desires, worries, invented futures, and humiliations. He attributed the inspiration for Origins to an episode of “darkest distress” when he was lying on his couch, despairing over the question of “how we can know anything at all”: “Suddenly, out of an absolute quiet, there came a firm, distinct loud voice from my upper right which said, ‘Include the knower in the known!’ It lugged me to my feet absurdly exclaiming, ‘Hello?’”
Voices in the Head are another important part of the UFO phenom:
