What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[Blue]

I know, right? It's like some people have never been around kids. Or they've never been kids. Or something.

My kids have, at the aoproximable age of that little girl, asked me to tape or tie their hands to tables, chairs, etc. and take their picture because they thought it was hilarious, and I don't even have sex with them or let other people have sex with them. So that particular data point strikes me as more of a red herring than some of the others, but really this whole thing is comprised of a goddamn flock of red herrings flying in a P formation.

[OP ED]

I have personally taped my kid to a chair before. Also several stuffed animals such as attempted to interfere. Sometimes actually playing with kids looks weird outside of that context. Pictures of it would probably have seemed strange at the least.

If you got the pictures from the right angle you would even see "occult" symbols and such. My home always looks like Halloween, so "occult" themes are irrelevant to me as evidence of wrongdoing. Most of my friends are occultists of one sort or another. I have a signed picture of Satan in my living room.

The only striking thing to me as far as the art goes is the inclusion of sexualized children which seem to imply abuse of one sort or another. I know a ton of Satanists and I don't see these sorts of things in their homes or offices. That's actually somewhat anomalous.

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I do think that anyone looking at evidence and trying to focus on the pizza place is heading in a wrong direction. The closest thing I see that directly implies a crime are the Silsby connections to the Clintons and the human trafficking charges. That is a crime and the perps are all named and have a contextual history that implies a lot more in terms of evidence than music videos from a band that once played in a pizza place.

[maco144]

Projection bias at its finest.

[slomo]

I have personally taped my kid to a chair before. Also several stuffed animals such as attempted to interfere. Sometimes actually playing with kids looks weird outside of that context. Pictures of it would probably have seemed strange at the least.

If you got the pictures from the right angle you would even see "occult" symbols and such. My home always looks like Halloween, so "occult" themes are irrelevant to me as evidence of wrongdoing. Most of my friends are occultists of one sort or another. I have a signed picture of Satan in my living room.

The only striking thing to me as far as the art goes is the inclusion of sexualized children which seem to imply abuse of one sort or another. I know a ton of Satanists and I don't see these sorts of things in their homes or offices. That's actually somewhat anomalous.

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I do think that anyone looking at evidence and trying to focus on the pizza place is heading in a wrong direction. The closest thing I see that directly implies a crime are the Silsby connections to the Clintons and the human trafficking charges. That is a crime and the perps are all named and have a contextual history that implies a lot more in terms of evidence than music videos from a band that once played in a pizza place.

I think it's fair to say that if there is fire, it is with Silsby's organization, and Comet is just the smoke that leads investigators to the fire.

Curious, though, that Silby's organization is headquartered across the street from Comet, eh?

[Sounder]

OP-ED wrote....

I do think that anyone looking at evidence and trying to focus on the pizza place is heading in a wrong direction. The closest thing I see that directly implies a crime are the Silsby connections to the Clintons and the human trafficking charges. That is a crime and the perps are all named and have a contextual history that implies a lot more in terms of evidence than music videos from a band that once played in a pizza place.

When something is being fed to us, it needs to be considered that the Dan Rather ploy can work well here. Where we are fed a fake and discreditable version of events so as to cover and distract from a worse version of events. Feeding the fake, then discrediting it provides the excuse for many to ignore or deny the real deal.

[Luther Blissett]

Where are the survivor's accounts? Where are the direct claims of abuse by a victim or victim's families? Where are the missing or dead persons?

[OP ED]

There's the thirty three children that were being smuggled quite illegally by LS, seemingly with the support and blessings of the Clinton Foundation.

[Joe Hillshoist]

As I've stated in other controversial threads, I'm always willing to revise my opinion based on additional data (or lack thereof). Since we actually have someone here who has met Arrington de Dionyso and he checks out, I'm willing to back away from the idea that his art provides a sinister context.

Still: the photo of the child restrained is pretty fucked up, and it's hard to imagine a context which would make it OK, especially since in most jurisdictions I know of it would be ipso facto evidence of child abuse. I mean, it would likely be sufficient justification for CPS to swoop in and whisk the child away to foster care (or god knows what other hell). It's telling that some of you are willing to dismiss the evidence without having viewed it.

I'm not dismissing it I'm asking you to re examine it since you've seen it.

You do science to things apparently. A fundamental part of that is trying to find ways to prove your ideas wrong to test them strongly against anything that could challenge their validity.

Are you 100% confident or even confident within a reasonable margin of error that the photo you are talking about could only come from private abuse and not from something like these following stories then fine, but are you?

Boy with autism locked in 'cage', NSW school being investigated

Mother alleges her autistic son was restrained with ankle straps and weighted belt at NSW school

From the second story.

David Roy, an academic from the University of Newcastle who helped instigate a state-wide parliamentary inquiry into special needs students, said he had heard of hundreds of similar incidents.

"Very sadly it's not a surprise. I have recordings of incidents in various schools in New South Wales," he said.

Mr Roy described the restraining devices as unlawful and said they led to children being treated like prisoners.

"These children have a disability and they are often reacting to the environment around them," he said.
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Rosie said she held concerns for children who attended the school in the future.

"My concern is that this will continue and other kids will end up in the same situation as our boy," she said.

"The other concern is that if we move him somewhere else, the same thing will happen.

"I want to make sure that something is done systematically.

"We can target the particular school all we like but it's happening everywhere.

"It feels like the Department of Education just doesn't care."

(BTW The mother - Rosie - was reported to the dept of education for removing her child from school after objecting to his treatment. Nice.)

One more quote from the second story:

Rosie said she did not blame the staff at the school, but said the department had left them hanging.

"I do actually empathise; they have not been afforded extra training to cope with children such as mine and are largely unsupported," she said.

"My son is locked up because the staff don't know what else to do with him."

Rosie said she had met with the school and asked to see the chair and the cage-like structure where her son had been kept.

"I didn't know the chairs even existed, so it was a shock to me when I saw them," she said.

"Since this [Facebook] post has gone up, I've had messages from people saying they've had kids at the same school with the same trouble, but before that I was completely oblivious ... I thought it was just us."

This is epidemic in NSW, and as the mum in the story says its a situation where there are inadequate resources to deal with the problems that arise. Do you think this problem only exists in NSW or Australia?

And as I said if there is other info in that photo that makes you discount that sort of explanation for its existence then that's fine.

(Also I consider restraining kids like that a form of abuse. But its not necessarily malicious abuse, more something that happens because the teachers in the situation have no other way they can see to deal with that child and the other kids they are responsible for.)

[Joe Hillshoist]

OP-ED wrote....

I do think that anyone looking at evidence and trying to focus on the pizza place is heading in a wrong direction. The closest thing I see that directly implies a crime are the Silsby connections to the Clintons and the human trafficking charges. That is a crime and the perps are all named and have a contextual history that implies a lot more in terms of evidence than music videos from a band that once played in a pizza place.

When something is being fed to us, it needs to be considered that the Dan Rather ploy can work well here. Where we are fed a fake and discreditable version of events so as to cover and distract from a worse version of events. Feeding the fake, then discrediting it provides the excuse for many to ignore or deny the real deal.

You mean the way so many people are focusing on a Clinton connection to some dodgy story about a Pizza place instead of recognising the 35 million republicans already convicted of sexual abuse crimes including rape and abuse and rape of kids and possibly working to have that particular political party de registered as a front for criminal activity or investigating the careers of those busted, who they were connected and how, and seeing hoiw many of those people have connections to Franklin or even the Podestas. That would have happened here once upon a time.

The cynical part of me thinks that would require some actual hard work and potential exposure to risk which rules it out.

[OP ED]

All the wiki references to AP articles surrounding LS are dead links. This happened since yesterday. Btw.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I have a signed picture of Satan in my living room.

Post of the century.

[OP ED]

OP-ED wrote....

I do think that anyone looking at evidence and trying to focus on the pizza place is heading in a wrong direction. The closest thing I see that directly implies a crime are the Silsby connections to the Clintons and the human trafficking charges. That is a crime and the perps are all named and have a contextual history that implies a lot more in terms of evidence than music videos from a band that once played in a pizza place.

When something is being fed to us, it needs to be considered that the Dan Rather ploy can work well here. Where we are fed a fake and discreditable version of events so as to cover and distract from a worse version of events. Feeding the fake, then discrediting it provides the excuse for many to ignore or deny the real deal.

You mean the way so many people are focusing on a Clinton connection to some dodgy story about a Pizza place instead of recognising the 35 million republicans already convicted of sexual abuse crimes including rape and abuse and rape of kids and possibly working to have that particular political party de registered as a front for criminal activity or investigating the careers of those busted, who they were connected and how, and seeing hoiw many of those people have connections to Franklin or even the Podestas. That would have happened here once upon a time.

The cynical part of me thinks that would require some actual hard work and potential exposure to risk which rules it out.

Yeah. Working on that but this is a hectic business week for.many of us as this here remaining merely my hobby.

[tapitsbo]

Since the evidence in regards to Pizzagate is extremely interesting and no concrete allegations have been made, those "debunking" Pizzagate are essentially appealing to the superiority of their judgement as far as interpreting this evidence goes - despite the evidence begging for further exploration of parties who have been protected from any sort of inquiry by an apparently highly co-ordinated coverup

(concrete allegations against the Clintons by "survivors" are, of course, extant, whatever you wish to make of them)

As far as what Joe is saying, the Podestas' connection to the Saudis has been noted. And the Saudis seem to be completely immune from "respectable" inquiries at least in the West

[Joe Hillshoist]

There's a helluva lot here to process and sort, 4B. I'm tempted to say "Start at the beginning..." Maybe RI isnt the place for this kind of deep excavations anymore but I for one am interested in your story; there's no substitute for direct involvement/experiential testimonies. A lot harder for the "skeptics" to scorn too, since it goes against their PC-training.

Re: reddit: can't you tip them off yourself? Last I heard anyone could post there.

Don't you see how associating stories like 4B's with unsubstantiated sensationalism that came from a partisan political campaign discredits what he is saying in other people's eyes?

I don't see how he could not see that. Misery loves company?

It is narcissistic manipulation and it is abusive in itself.

I'm fascinated. Elaborate, fellas. Please. Thank you.

Mate your story is full on. There are multiple crimes that need redress/justice. Associating it with something that appears to be made up (ie the use of pizza as a code word and everything that followed on from that) makes it harder to to do. Guilt by association happens to information all the time. Its how information gets discredited. Barristers do it in court while cross examining witnesses. Its one of the first things they learn.

[tapitsbo]

Pizzagate is based around and follows from the highly anomalous activity associated with Comet Ping Pong, to my mind, not the alleged use of "pizza" as a codeword


(Although I think we noted urbandictionary's strongly endorsed gloss for "cheese pizza" as child pornography)

4B is associating guilty parties but so is joe...