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yeah because signaling the rampant antisemitism is obviously trolling this board

Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:yeah because signaling the rampant antisemitism is obviously trolling this board

Really? "Rampant antisemitism"! How awful. I must have missed that part. Maybe if you provide quotes, nobody could accuse you of trolling?

Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:yeah because signaling the rampant antisemitism is obviously trolling this board

Yeah, where do you see that? Please point it out.

And tell me why Jewish people put up with the war crimes and racism and warmongering of Israel. Oh wait, some don't. So are those "antisemetic" Jews, as far as you're concerned?

Is Finkelstein antisemetic? Please elaborate.

Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:yeah because signaling the rampant antisemitism is obviously trolling this board

Hey Pierre d'Achoppement, nice avatar! Bananas are good. Your definition of antisemitism, notsomuch.

Your definition of trolling is off too - since "the definition of antisemitism" is the topic of this thread.

It's difficult to understand where you're coming from since Blacks don't have their own Israel
(actually we have Liberia, but my folks never took that seriously).

Hey, in Israel, blacks don't count. Even the Ethiopian Jews are being basically sterilized with Depo Provera.

I guess they don't belong in the new "Master Race" of Israel.

Nordic wrote:Hey, in Israel, blacks don't count. Even the Ethiopian Jews are being basically sterilized with Depo Provera.

I guess they don't belong in the new "Master Race" of Israel.

I read here about how Ethiopian Jews were being treated in Israel. Never heard about the birth control - that's an interesting twist.

It's a good thing my folks are Baptists and couldn't be bothered with Israel. My family's universally morally opposed to Gazan apartheid.

(Is that a better term than 'Israeli atrocities'?)

(PS I have been doing too much coding & my vocabulary is shot. sorry for my piss-poor writing, I hope it improves)

crikkett wrote:l. Never heard about the birth control - that's an interesting implication.

http://dignity.ning.com/profiles/blogs/ ... ish-blacks

Check it out. This is just one of many hits I got from a quick google.

oh my god. That's a terrible story, Nordic. I have to go for a walk.

Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:yeah because signaling the rampant antisemitism is obviously trolling this board

Antisemitism is not allowed on this board, if you see anyone posting such you should pm Jeff, tout d suite.

lets try and have a discussion about Israel without it descending into rubbish

if anyone has a genuine point to make all they have to do is back it up with some sort of evidence or link,

if they cant do that then its just throwing out opinions which is not as highly valued,

if you throw out contentious statements, cant back them up, engage with people in hostile ways ...
dont whine about how you feel when you get taken to task for it

these issues may be deeply personal for people, but that doesnt stop a discussion taking place based on evidence,

(for the record my family is english, i am descended from the great oppressors of the last few centuries, those that were the commitors or instigators of most of the problems ... i dont feel proud of the great deeds of the british, and i dont feel shame for the things that they have done ... i feel sadness and sorrow for the victims of all of the horrors mentioned in this thread as human being and i identify as a human not an englishman)

smiths wrote:i dont feel proud of the great deeds of the british, and i dont feel shame for the things that they have done ... i feel sadness and sorrow for the victims of all of the horrors mentioned in this thread as human being and i identify as a human not an englishman)

I think the ability to feel "pride" or "shame" for things one hasn't even done is a thinly-disguised symptom of the kind of problem we've been talking about here, evidence of the atavistic tribalism that can and often does lead to unlimited cruelty and injustice, and the regular descent into bloodthirsty savagery that has blighted much too much of humanity's history.

Luckily we have another human capacity: to feel empathy with the suffering of others, and to share in their joy. Empathy is a blessing, a divine blessing, in fact, since it embodies the Golden Rule that is the key to our salvation: "Love thy neighbour as thyself". But when even this blessing is captured through a narrow tribal definition of "neighbour" and pressed into serving a supremacist tribal agenda, then it becomes a curse -- not only on those who exploit it, but on all of us.

17breezes wrote:

American Dream wrote:The myths that the Nazi slaughter affected only or mostly Jews and that this kind of mass murder was a uniquely reprehensible event in all of history- these are two that stand out. They are of course used to leverage support for Israeli atrocities today.

See Norman Finkelstein's The Holocaust Industry for further thoughts on the subject.

So what other group lost more than 6 million or so at the hands of the Nazis?

the Russians?

[five countries lost 10% or more of their population during WW2]

It's very revealing that most, if not all, the 17-18 year-old Israelis who have undergone years of "Holocaust education" culminating in the trip to Auschwitz that Yoav Shamir documents, soon afterward become soldiers of a racist colonial occupation that perpetrates this kind of obscenity:



Maybe someone can send the video to Abe Foxman at the ADL, so he can add it to this year's report on anti-semitism...

It certainly has a wiff of trauma based mind control doesn't it. (Then again so does induction into the US military, and probably any fighting force anywhere.)

Its also got a sense of an initiation about it, (which is also something very close to trauma based mind control.)

I guess it also means that rational argument won't work with those people, cos something has been imprinted on them at an emotional level. It'll take something as emotionally jarring to get through to them.

So what other group lost more than 6 million or so at the hands of the Nazis?

"For many years, a memorial plaque placed at the camp by the Soviet authorities stated that 4 million people had been murdered at Auschwitz. The government of the People's Republic of Poland also supported this figure. In the west, this figure was accepted, but some historians had their doubts.[39] After the collapse of the Communist government in 1989, the plaque was removed and the official death toll given as 1.1 million."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_ ... Death_toll