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There should be a thread for if people start having seriously bad nightmares or premonitions, as thats what happened to countless millions before 9/11...months, weeks, days before.
If people start having nightmares of nuclear holocausts and cities being wiped out then I definitely would be worried.

Nordic wrote:Haven't watched Jon Stewart in a while, gave up on him, he's become a mainstream Obama-Putz and an all around ASS, but tonight I thought I'd see how he was dealing with the OBL thing.

He is equating those who want to see pictures of Osama's body with moon-landing-conspiracy-theorists.

Yes, he's actually doing that. We don't need evidence, we don't need proof, if we don't just take Obama's word for it, you're exactly like the birth-certificate nutjobs.

I swear to god.

And now he's going after Pakistan.

Which seems to be the developing story, to go after Pakistan.

Yesterday, not so much. The official story from the State Dept types seemed to be "well, Pakistan is as much a victim of terrorism as anyone else blah blah blah".

God it's weird how much I hate Stewart, after loving him for so long.

He's going after the Pakistani ISI at this point. Like that's news. He's turning into an alternate universe Rush Limbaugh.

Yep. Maddow spent 20 minutes saying Pakistan is behind al Qaeda and was behind bin Laden and hiding him. Same with Chris Matthews. Fox News is pushing that angle.

I heard Hamid Gul on Alex Jones, former ISI head, saying ISI was just doing what the CIA and West wanted. Remember Armitage threatening to nuke Pakistan if they didnt cooperate after 9/11?
I mean yeah as a truther I spent a good deal of time pushing the ISI angle, but now I see that was the plan all along.

But the PTB have to be careful here...revealing this reveals their hand, so they have to come up with a new narrative. "gotta secure the nukes" and all that.

If the West foments chaos in Pakistan, and pushed the Pakistan=ultimate bad guys behind terrorism angle, and we see a big staged event in India again or nukes going off in major cities blamed on Pakistan...well who knows. Isn't China on Pakistan's side?

Now I know why Alice and others have gotten on my case for painting Russia, China, Pakistan, etc in some NWO club with the US, UK and Israel. Even Saudi Arabia seems scared.
It just feels like a really frightening end game going on here.

8bitagent wrote: .

I also suspect one of these days they'll also wrap up the bin Laden saga as well, perhaps even producing the real man himself.

viewtopic.php?p=394237#p394237

From April 8th I said that, however I've been saying that same sentence since 2007 when it was clear that Obama was tapped to win.

I can't find the post via google, but I remember repeatedly half joking that bin Laden is probably alive and in some Pakistani ISI safehouse mansion rather than in the frontier province.

Why do I bring this up? To toot EVERYONE's horn on here. I have the feeling everything happening and that will happen here on out, that someone on here predicted or joked about in passing.
Think back to 2005 when some of you started posting. I know I made a bunch of predictions on Abovetopsecret in 2005-2006. Sometimes you just have this strong gut feeling. I had a very strong feeling Obama would win, and the Obama/Osama narrative was way too strong to be a coincidence and that "they" were going to have something special.


As a side note, the media is abuzz with guessing who this young woman is, "Audrey Tomason", apparently "Director of Counterrorism". Some speculate or half jokingly say shes head of social networking infiltrating. Either way she looks like she belongs more as an SNL staff writer than being shoulder to shoulder to Obama in the bin Laden live snuff film laptop room


I'm sad someone my age would chose such a position of evil, knowingly. I declined a 75k salary year with an almost guaranteed s-clearance for Northrop Grumman's global hawk pilot program in 2005. My friends thought I was crazy and said they welcomed invasive background checks and interviews. I said I rather live on the few hundred dollars I have a month than serve these freaking ghoulish hounds of death. And I still maintain that. Everything is about video game virtual reality "wars", where feckless liberal wonks sit in air conditioned rooms murdering Pakistani villagers from half a world away.

I know this is off topic but:

I declined a 75k salary year with an almost guaranteed s-clearance for Northrop Grumman's global hawk pilot program in 2005. My friends thought I was crazy and said they welcomed invasive background checks and interviews. I said I rather live on the few hundred dollars I have a month than serve these freaking ghoulish hounds of death.

this world would be an entirely different place if everyone did this. Even if most people did this. thanks for doing it!

Canadian_watcher wrote:I know this is off topic but:

I declined a 75k salary year with an almost guaranteed s-clearance for Northrop Grumman's global hawk pilot program in 2005. My friends thought I was crazy and said they welcomed invasive background checks and interviews. I said I rather live on the few hundred dollars I have a month than serve these freaking ghoulish hounds of death.

this world would be an entirely different place if everyone did this. Even if most people did this. thanks for doing it!

Well even though it woulda just been doing graphic design/programming bundled software and training packages, a couple weeks before the clearance process was to begin I called em up and respectfully declined. If you've seen the 2001 9/11-esque NORAD war game brochures and pdfs leaked, you can see that despite all the conspiracies of DEW weapons and exotic high tech WTC beams...the government's
internal documents and layouts have always been super shitty embarrassing.

Now my favorite film of all time is the rather obscure 1992 family film "Toys" starring Robin Williams, a surrealist Rene Magritte inspired whimsical tale of a warmongering General who's plans for WW3 involve getting kids hooked on piloting video game simulators. The kids think its all a virtual reality game, when in fact they really are bombing people as part of their conditioning. So the whole point of the film is creative innocence and wonder being destroyed by war. I consider the predator/reaper/drone stuff some of the most spiritually wrong things in the military. Sure, they arent the 5000 lb daisy cutters or MOAB or DU bombs. But the idea of people in a cushy room in Virginia using video game joysticks to pilot what looks like a video game and blowing up men women and often children in villages...then going to the break room with a diet coke and sandwich an hour later joking about getting laid and the previous night's episode of The Office...just makes me fucking sick to my stomach.

Obama invoked 9/11 in graphic emotional triggering terms Sunday night, saying Osama's actions created spaces that the dinner table that would never be filled or some shit like that. And Im sitting there thinking, what about all the Muslim dinner tables where whole families are wiped out?

Senate official: Wrong to link bin Laden, Geronimo

By MATTHEW DALY, Associated Press Matthew Daly, Associated Press – Tue May 3, 11:17 pm ET

WASHINGTON – The top staffer for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee is objecting to the U.S. military's use of the code name "Geronimo" for Osama bin Laden during the raid that killed the al-Qaida leader.

Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century who spent many years fighting the Mexican and U.S. armies until his surrender in 1886.
...

After bin Laden was killed, the military sent a message back to the White House: "Geronimo EKIA" — enemy killed in action.

Do recall that...

Found letter says Yale club has Geronimo skull - Discovery lends weight to ultra-secret Skull and Bones society lore

updated 5/9/2006

HARTFORD, Conn. — A Yale University historian has uncovered a 1918 letter that seems to lend validity to the lore that Yale University’s ultra-secret Skull and Bones society swiped the skull of American Indian leader Geronimo.

The letter, written by one member of Skull and Bones to another, purports that the skull and some of the Indian leader’s remains were spirited from his burial plot in Fort Sill, Okla., to a stone tomb in New Haven that serves as the club’s headquarters.

According to Skull and Bones legend, members — including President Bush’s grandfather, Prescott Bush — dug up Geronimo’s grave when a group of Army volunteers from Yale were stationed at the fort during World War I. Geronimo died in 1909.

“The skull of the worthy Geronimo the Terrible, exhumed from its tomb at Fort Sill by your club ... is now safe inside the (Tomb) together with his well worn femurs, bit & saddle horn,” according to the letter, written by Winter Mead.

8bitagent wrote:Yep. Maddow spent 20 minutes saying Pakistan is behind al Qaeda and was behind bin Laden and hiding him. Same with Chris Matthews. Fox News is pushing that angle.

I heard Hamid Gul on Alex Jones, former ISI head, saying ISI was just doing what the CIA and West wanted. Remember Armitage threatening to nuke Pakistan if they didnt cooperate after 9/11?
I mean yeah as a truther I spent a good deal of time pushing the ISI angle, but now I see that was the plan all along.

But the PTB have to be careful here...revealing this reveals their hand, so they have to come up with a new narrative. "gotta secure the nukes" and all that.

If the West foments chaos in Pakistan, and pushed the Pakistan=ultimate bad guys behind terrorism angle, and we see a big staged event in India again or nukes going off in major cities blamed on Pakistan...well who knows. Isn't China on Pakistan's side?

Now I know why Alice and others have gotten on my case for painting Russia, China, Pakistan, etc in some NWO club with the US, UK and Israel. Even Saudi Arabia seems scared.
It just feels like a really frightening end game going on here.

You think that breadcrumbs were dropped for serious researchers to latch onto starting years ago, in order to bring them around to the ISI conclusion?

There was no live snuff film. This morning's news reported that although the SEAL team had the little cameras on their uniforms but they weren't on during the raid. Why have them then? Still looking for a link.

8bitagent wrote:
I'm sad someone my age would chose such a position of evil, knowingly. I declined a 75k salary year with an almost guaranteed s-clearance for Northrop Grumman's global hawk pilot program in 2005. My friends thought I was crazy and said they welcomed invasive background checks and interviews. I said I rather live on the few hundred dollars I have a month than serve these freaking ghoulish hounds of death. And I still maintain that. Everything is about video game virtual reality "wars", where feckless liberal wonks sit in air conditioned rooms murdering Pakistani villagers from half a world away.

That is the most inspiring thing I have read here in a long time, 8bit. I think what will change things are actions like that.
And it is also scary, because it shows the degree to which your friends have been co-opted into a "War on Terror as job opportunity" culture. It seems to have shifted from "I dont like it but it puts bread on the table" to "Hey, miss it, miss out!"

You make a clear distinction between game world and real world, but more and more the focus is on mixing them - the degree of horrendous behaviour one can get away with under the flag of "Its only a game!!" is limitless. There seem to be a lot of people who are pushing the idea that after the semantic web, the next big thing is going to be "business as gaming". I think GlobalHawk "shoot the Paki villagers from the comfort of an Aeron chair" is the direction things are going. Fast.

I think there has been a memetic breeding programme happening... and the environment is now favouring the psychopath more and more. Many years ago I used to work at "HAL". It was perhaps one of the first truly globalist organisations - people who worked there said they would have been much more stressed transferring to another computer company in the same district than switching continent and staying with HAL. However at that time, although paternalistic, they treated their people well. Fast forward and a new CEO came in who referred to people as 'units'. I really thought he was going to refer to them as "useless eaters", as that is how he thought about them. Fast forwarding to the dot com era, the degree of fixated sociopathic behaviour I see seems to have increased enormously. By the time of the 'Social Network', we seem to have a general business culture where freedom from basic human empathy, monomania verging on autism, and social darwinism are consciously employed as standard operating procedures.

This will do.

http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories/ViewN ... ong_110504

Obama and his national security team did not view the entire raid as it took place. They received regular “real time” updates that day from overseas, but once the commando team dropped into the bin Laden compound, “there was a time period of almost 20 to 25 minutes where we really didn’t know just exactly what was going on, and there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information,” Panetta told “Newshour” on PBS.

Luther Blissett wrote:

You think that breadcrumbs were dropped for serious researchers to latch onto starting years ago, in order to bring them around to the ISI conclusion?

Oh definitely. The shaky "Atta-$100,000-ISI" claim. I mean those drugged zombie like Mumbai teenagers...some were seen wearing these bracelets that Hindu Punjabi people wear, not Muslims.

And I was thinking: MI6. MI6 seems like it keeps worming its way into Pakistani ISI stories, like the direct links to the 7/7 bombers. Last week Wikileaks revealed a top Pakistani al Qaeda terrorist was MI6.
All this time we spend on the CIA, and yeah they are quite wicked...but I had almost forgotten about British Intelligence having a possible role in this.

Why all the sudden are we hearing all this news about Pakistan wanting the CIA out for real, Saudi Arabia running to China and Russia, Pakistan solidifying ties with China, etc. It's like the grand chessboard lines are already getting crossed. I'm trying to remember which thread it was in 2008 when I laid out ten predictions when Obama would win; I mentioned a possible nuke attack being blamed on AQ Khan networks in Pakistan(after I saw the Jan 2008 democratic debate talking about this very thing)

Searcher08 wrote:I think there has been a memetic breeding programme happening... and the environment is now favouring the psychopath more and more. ...Fast forwarding to the dot com era, the degree of fixated sociopathic behaviour I see seems to have increased enormously. By the time of the 'Social Network', we seem to have a general business culture where freedom from basic human empathy, monomania verging on autism, and social darwinism are consciously employed as standard operating procedures.

I agree wholeheartedly. I see it around me everywhere and it is probably the thing that I most object to and literally (some days) find impossible to live with. I guess you've probably long ago seen the documentary "The Corporation?" If you haven't I think you'd like it. I might go put it on right now and listen as I paint.

Canadian_watcher wrote:I know this is off topic but:

I declined a 75k salary year with an almost guaranteed s-clearance for Northrop Grumman's global hawk pilot program in 2005. My friends thought I was crazy and said they welcomed invasive background checks and interviews. I said I rather live on the few hundred dollars I have a month than serve these freaking ghoulish hounds of death.

this world would be an entirely different place if everyone did this. Even if most people did this. thanks for doing it!

Is this you, 8bit?

Gouda wrote:

Senate official: Wrong to link bin Laden, Geronimo

Do recall that...

Found letter says Yale club has Geronimo skull - Discovery lends weight to ultra-secret Skull and Bones society lore

viewtopic.php?p=293208#p293208

IanEye wrote:

"Obama is an act of system-legitimizing brilliance..."- chlamor

see also: Degüello Crazy Horse

Searcher08 wrote:

8bitagent wrote:
I'm sad someone my age would chose such a position of evil, knowingly. I declined a 75k salary year with an almost guaranteed s-clearance for Northrop Grumman's global hawk pilot program in 2005. My friends thought I was crazy and said they welcomed invasive background checks and interviews. I said I rather live on the few hundred dollars I have a month than serve these freaking ghoulish hounds of death. And I still maintain that. Everything is about video game virtual reality "wars", where feckless liberal wonks sit in air conditioned rooms murdering Pakistani villagers from half a world away.

That is the most inspiring thing I have read here in a long time, 8bit. I think what will change things are actions like that.
And it is also scary, because it shows the degree to which your friends have been co-opted into a "War on Terror as job opportunity" culture. It seems to have shifted from "I dont like it but it puts bread on the table" to "Hey, miss it, miss out!"

You make a clear distinction between game world and real world, but more and more the focus is on mixing them - the degree of horrendous behaviour one can get away with under the flag of "Its only a game!!" is limitless. There seem to be a lot of people who are pushing the idea that after the semantic web, the next big thing is going to be "business as gaming". I think GlobalHawk "shoot the Paki villagers from the comfort of an Aeron chair" is the direction things are going. Fast.

I think there has been a memetic breeding programme happening... and the environment is now favouring the psychopath more and more. Many years ago I used to work at "HAL". It was perhaps one of the first truly globalist organisations - people who worked there said they would have been much more stressed transferring to another computer company in the same district than switching continent and staying with HAL. However at that time, although paternalistic, they treated their people well. Fast forward and a new CEO came in who referred to people as 'units'. I really thought he was going to refer to them as "useless eaters", as that is how he thought about them. Fast forwarding to the dot com era, the degree of fixated sociopathic behaviour I see seems to have increased enormously. By the time of the 'Social Network', we seem to have a general business culture where freedom from basic human empathy, monomania verging on autism, and social darwinism are consciously employed as standard operating procedures.

I'm the kind of person that will download a zillion movies, but see a $10 bill on a store floor and ask if anyone dropped it. I already hate the fact everything we wear, eat, use, consume, etc is made in sweat shops and virtual slavery gulags in Asia and Latin America. How the job opportunity came about was my friend had just moved into a new house, and he befriended the next door neighbor who was a pretty nice middle aged black dude who was a retired airforce commander now at Northrop. I was putting all my best design work on cdrs, and my friend gave his neighbor one and I ended up getting a call. And then I'd have these long meets with him trying to entice me with the global hawk program and running me through things to expect, real time relaying and stuff required s but not ts clearance. But ultimately I just never felt comfortable with the military. Now I've known and have met many many former and active duty. I'm 33, but these guys I meet are 18-28 usually. A lot on leave from Iraq and Afghanistan or on their way there or back. A lot seem to be open to "conspiracy" questioning or at least agreeing things aren't right...but "it's a job". It's not even about patriotism

It's about this shitty economy, where we're pretty much at $5 a gallon gas. I think of all the poor/working class black, white and hispanic families proud to send their kids off. total taken advantage of. I saw Restrepo, and you have these guys...that if they aren't physically obliterated, they come back emotionally and spiritually destroyed. Suicides, domestic violence, self destruction with alcohol abuse and drugs, severe depression. I mean its not like WW2...while I believe WW2 was manipulated and engineered, and the US did mass amounts of war crimes; least that was a war about something. Whats Iraq and Afghanistan about? I know the soldiers arent bad guys, but the break me up break me down conditioning is something p

Ok to your big point: Years ago I read about IAO, Digital Angel, Advanced DARPA systems, etc. All that real time global battlefield communications, robots, droids, new generation drones.
Now theyre developing "big dogs", humanoid terminators, cheetah robots, and all sorts of sci fi stuff. So the full on intergration blending virtual and real time battle conditions has long been in the works. Popsci and Mechanics celebrates that stuff. And the liberal college kids can dig it, with their ipods and smart phones...because its hip and cool. It's "facebook". Geez, referring to people as "units"...straight out of a Dilbert strip!

True big brother, not conspiracy boy-who-cried-wolf "the police state is here" claims, may someday actually hit here. If the "USA! USA! We got that bin Laden" sentiment we have seen on virtually every single conservative, centrist and liberal blog/tv/radio/paper/social network/blog/forum.etc is any indication...the fallout from a large scale terror attack or something else would guarantee "they" could get away with anything.

And while I love videos games and have always grown up with them; no doubt in my mind this is how the recruits of the future wars are being groomed. War with Pakistan, China, Iran, etc will be the usual meat grinder mixed with robotic drone facilitation...why, it's all a video game. Look at the 2007 Iraq war gunship footage, they're just laughing it up.

Nordic wrote:(Stewart)'s turning into an alternate universe Rush Limbaugh.

An unfunny one, at that.