Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:14 pm
by Nordic
And now it doesn't matter at all; the public will remember the first story.
It's very hard to unlie to people. So much easier to lie to them that it is to convince them they've been lied to. (There's a well-known quote to this affect usually attributed to Mark Twain)
Which is why the script is written the way it is.
Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
The U.N. Security Council unanimously approved a French-sponsored resolution Friday calling on all nations to redouble and coordinate action to prevent further attacks by Islamic State terrorists and other extremist groups.
yes Russia went along
Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:38 pm
by backtoiam
Haven't seen it told as straight up as this in a while. Glimpses of the future...for all....
tapitsbo wrote:Alice, I understand the importance you place on the Muslim Brotherhood in understanding these situations
Where do you see groups like Erdogan's party fitting in to the larger scheme of Middle Eastern politics
One of the very few long-time members who ever "defected" after rising up to the middle ranks is the Egyptian lawyer Tharwat El-Kharabawy. He not only left the Brotherhood, but after a decade basically deprogramming his mind, has become one of their most effective opponents, and has spilled a lot of their beans. Among other things, he described the time he spent with Erdogan as a fellow, fully committed Brother.
Erdogan is trying to reestablish the Turkish Empire, with himself as Caliph, ruling over the Sunni Muslims of the Middle East. But in doing that, he is fulfilling a role that has been assigned to him. I explained that in a bit more detail, and context, in the "Decoding the 'Middle East'" thread.
I just re-read your post there. Do you feel like Turkey and Turkic nations have a good chance of swinging back towards alignment with Russia anytime soon?
Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:37 pm
by semper occultus
Terrorist threat will increase if Britain quits EU, says Hugh Orde
Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:04 pm
by tapitsbo
Isn't the UK also arresting people who try to go fight AGAINST ISIS now? for the PKK
as far as frontrunning goes, I really get the unpleasant feeling that there will be far-right attacks in Europe Breivik-style in the near future as well as violent insurrection by anarchists/leftists. what a mess
Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:25 pm
by JackRiddler
Yeah, don't expect the anarchists to ever move beyond molotovs for sports.
You still don't get it. "IS/ISIL/ISIS/Daesh" is not an "entity". Not even close. It is a mirage, a hologram, a trick.
This is the geopolitical equivalent of a 9/11 no-planes theory, isn't it?
No, it's the psycho-intellectual equivalent of not being an idiot.
More like the no-hijackers theory. No planes would be the "crisis actor" stuff now being applied to Paris.
So I have two questions without answers necessarily in mind. From the 1980s until 2009, when the LTTE army was exterminated by the Sri Lankan military, the greatest number of suicide-bombing attacks worldwide were attributed to the Tamil Tigers - an explicitly anti-religion movement with a Marxist ideology. Their use of suicide bombings was understood as a tactic of war. LTTE did not possess an air force and was a guerilla force fighting a state conscript military superior in weaponry and numbers, so they resorted to the best delivery method available to them. They also produced propaganda glorifying the bombers as heroic martyrs. So the question: How should we assess this? No connection to Islam or any other world religion, even if you think of the LTTE ideology as its own kind of cult. Remember, 40% or more of all suicide bombings worldwide in this 30-year period were attributed to LTTE. Were they real? What motivated them?
I'm not interested so much in a debate about whether Dabiq is really the magazine of ISIS or the production of an intel agency's psyops department. (Your responses on either side of that question may be predictable.) I'm not even interested in what you think of the Cracked author's take on it, although he has interesting things to say. I'm more interested in the question: Does this stuff in Dabiq appeal to anyone? If so, to whom? They aren't going to be like "us" here on this board, that is for sure. But do people who are attracted to this kind of thing exist?
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:38 pm
by Wombaticus Rex
JackRiddler » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:25 pm wrote:I'm more interested in the question: Does this stuff in Dabiq appeal to anyone? If so, to whom? They aren't going to be like "us" here on this board, that is for sure. But do people who are attracted to this kind of thing exist?
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Aye, such bipeds exist. That's the raw material I was talking about up-thread. "Violence is the quest for identity." McLuhan had some zingers. As a group bonding activity and adrenaline source, terrorism is just as effective as organized crime for the marginalized and bored.
This "Walled World" infographic was quite nice, I hope it reproduces here:
Income inequality will pale over the next decade as compounded refugee crises spotlight land inequality. A virtue tax should fix that, though. I'm guessing that will be the final lever for the Connecticut Set to make Vermont into their wilderness retreat.
Most prophetic sci-fi film of the past decade? Dredd. Urbanize, urbanize, urbanize.
Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
The U.N. Security Council unanimously approved a French-sponsored resolution Friday calling on all nations to redouble and coordinate action to prevent further attacks by Islamic State terrorists and other extremist groups.
yes Russia went along
It's a great excuse to bomb the hell out of the American stooges in Syria. "What do you mean, Barack? We're just following the UN resolution."
Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:21 pm
by norton ash
Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:39 pm
by backtoiam
Remember, 40% or more of all suicide bombings worldwide in this 30-year period were attributed to LTTE. Were they real? What motivated them?
I think in the past more of the suicide bombings were real, no doubt. They had to be to "make it real." In todays world, less are real, and more are "green screen" due to technological advancements. This eliminates messy details.
I'm not interested so much in a debate about whether Dabiq is really the magazine of ISIS or the production of an intel agency's psyops department. (Your responses on either side of that question may be predictable.) I'm not even interested in what you think of the Cracked author's take on it, although he has interesting things to say. I'm more interested in the question: Does this stuff in Dabiq appeal to anyone? If so, to whom? They aren't going to be like "us" here on this board, that is for sure. But do people who are attracted to this kind of thing exist?
Maybe a fringe lunatic here and there, but by and large, no, not in my opinion. After all, who is really going to read it? People have jobs and lives. People have to make money. I really don't think anybody, well, hardly anybody, would be influenced by a magazine such as that. Just my opinion, but I don't think so.
Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:20 pm
by backtoiam
Most prophetic sci-fi film of the past decade? Dredd. Urbanize, urbanize, urbanize.
Yes. And the details are laid bare for any that care to read them. The "Rewilding of America" has been put in print in the Agenda 21 documents. People like us might read it and duck to the best of our ability but the herd will be docile all the way into the gates.
I myself do not intend to be a savior. I will save none. I will duck. I'm too old for this shit. I just wanna die before it all happens. My golden years have arrived. I will die wondering what became of all this, but I am not unique. Galileo wondered the same thing.
Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:24 pm
by backtoiam
This "Walled World" infographic was quite nice, I hope it reproduces here:
It did. And I find it interesting. I wish I had the Cliff Notes on it.
